Don't you mean "themselves before country"?

No I don't because those that do will toe the party line and hope not to be deselected and lose their jobs.

Those that vote against the whip risk not only being deselected but having the whip removed.

Not all will be brave enough to do so, and they are the ones who will be putting themselves before country if they really are against a no deal exit.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

I don’t agree that it is though; that’s why I was asking about specific examples.

This board basically seems to be at the moment; I don’t agree with this article, it must be biased/fake news.

I mean, someone sent a BBC link the other day titled ‘Labour to back remain’ and said that was biased reporting - it’s bonkers.

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And two of those were non EU.

Europe has more to lose than us without a deal, however the difference is that their loss is spread over twenty plus countries and therefore will have less impact on any one particular nation.

"It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit

Yep. Because of course in Dublin whose econony will be in huge decline if its Masters in Brussels order it to impose a hard border, along with coming under immense pressure over its current corporation tax rates from its EU 'comrades' whilst the UK drops its own rates to less than 10% will positively relish the influx of the population from the North and the need to continue their current standards of living with regards to simple things such as the equivalent of our NHS or having to pay for their kids exercise books and so on, all whilst having to let their nationals in the south still not have either.

And of course those Loyalists. Bound to just sit back and accept rule from Dublin without kicking up a fuss and even if they did, then so what? The Irish Army are more than up to the task of dealing with them.

If there is a no-deal Brexit then a united Ireland is absolute pie in the sky. Primarily because the South simply could not afford it.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Nobody wants Northern Ireland. People in Ireland and the UK pretend they want it out of national pride but deep down they know it requires a ten billion pound top up every year.

We'll never die

Always struck me as a complete mystery why 'nationalist' organisations like the SNP seem so keen on swapping one version of what they see as servitude for another.

The desire for self-determination I get. I loathe foreign institutions having any say over UK law. And I get why people might vote for the SNP if they believe Scotland would be better off if it had the ability to make its own laws and decide its own fate.

But how and why that now seems so tied up with this idea that the EU is the answer to all of their problems is utterly beyond me.

Yes, the history between all of us home nations and/or Ireland hardly makes for the most pleasant of reading at time but we also share a lot of common bonds and cultural values. The average punter in Dublin or Glasgow has so much more in common with their equivalent in Birmingham or Bristol (I will leave London out because that is in a category of its own now that neither Scotland or Ireland have anything even close to) than anybody in Europe yet seemingly nationalists in both would rather tie their future to Brussels or Berlin.

I cannot help but think that a chip on their shoulders lays at the bottom of this all. They simply hate living in England's shadow and would rather swap that darkness for a similar gloomy one but emanating from Brussels. They lack the confidence to actually try and make it on their own.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Not for the past five years.

So apparently quite well

The US is HIGHLY supportive of the ROI

Because the Government actively encourages US investment into Ireland. It has a very strong sugar daddy.

1133 days since the Brexit vote and still sweet FA has happened. There have, I would imagine, been more enjoyable comas.

Whether October, or via GE, or whenever, I think at this point anyone but a sadomasochist should be pleased when we turn the page. Boris looks more steadfast, which may twist the arms that matter. But who knows, my crystal ball packed up a long time ago.

What should be evident though is that Theresa May suited no-one. Remainers didn't like her because she was negotiating to leave, and leavers didn't like her because her heart clearly wasn't into leaving, so she was the opposite of a formidable negotiator. At least Boris is taking a position and so the outcome could be different. Time will tell.

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