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Midlands Eagle Flag 01 Aug 19 1.34pm

Originally posted by W12


I'm a rabid leaver

Have you been to the doctor as rabies can be a killer if not treated immediately

 

Lyons550 Flag Shirley 01 Aug 19 1.37pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

Because the Government actively encourages US investment into Ireland. It has a very strong sugar daddy.

Whats to stop us offering even more preferential rates for the likes of APPLE if we were to leave with a no deal?

 


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ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 01 Aug 19 5.07pm

Originally posted by Lyons550

Whats to stop us offering even more preferential rates for the likes of APPLE if we were to leave with a no deal?

They all pay no tax and get a free premises. The people of Ireland do not benefit: the jobs don't even pay that well. If the EU sees tax avoidance, the Irish taxpayer pays for the case. Laughable is the only word for it. Knowing the government here, there are bound to be brown envelopes involved.
The current laugh is that no one can afford to rent or buy in Dublin as all the tech company HQs are there so they can avoid taxes too. The rest of the country is not much cheaper either.

 


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corkery Flag Cork City 01 Aug 19 8.23pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

They all pay no tax and get a free premises. The people of Ireland do not benefit: the jobs don't even pay that well. If the EU sees tax avoidance, the Irish taxpayer pays for the case. Laughable is the only word for it. Knowing the government here, there are bound to be brown envelopes involved.
The current laugh is that no one can afford to rent or buy in Dublin as all the tech company HQs are there so they can avoid taxes too. The rest of the country is not much cheaper either.

Half the Northside of Cork work in Apple. It's worth it.

 


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.TUX. Flag 01 Aug 19 9.21pm

Originally posted by corkery

Half the Northside of Cork work in Apple. It's worth it.

Once the future but not anymore.
Where do they go then?

 


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Invalid user 2019 Flag 01 Aug 19 10.05pm

Originally posted by W12

I'm a rabid leaver and have absolutely no confidence in Boris Johnson. The game is rigged so we need a new game.

I can kind of see where you're coming from, because Boris Johnson is primary about Boris Johnson. He's something of an opportunist and I'm not sure that he genuinely holds many politics beliefs. That said he's PM now and will want to have a good stab at getting beyond this. There are complications in various directions, but he knows not to follow Theresa Mays approach at least. The clock is ticking down, we'll get a good idea of how effective his approach is before long.

 

.TUX. Flag 01 Aug 19 10.51pm

Originally posted by dollardays

I can kind of see where you're coming from, because Boris Johnson is primary about Boris Johnson. He's something of an opportunist and I'm not sure that he genuinely holds many politics beliefs. That said he's PM now and will want to have a good stab at getting beyond this. There are complications in various directions, but he knows not to follow Theresa Mays approach at least. The clock is ticking down, we'll get a good idea of how effective his approach is before long.

Fighting the 'Globalists' is hard work.
I doubt Boris will do any better than May but hey ho, this is what we all signed up for isn't it, subsidising a continually failing ideal?

Maybe i'm wrong.

Edited by .TUX. (01 Aug 2019 10.52pm)

 


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Spiderman Flag Horsham 02 Aug 19 7.29am

Originally posted by Matov

Always struck me as a complete mystery why 'nationalist' organisations like the SNP seem so keen on swapping one version of what they see as servitude for another.

The desire for self-determination I get. I loathe foreign institutions having any say over UK law. And I get why people might vote for the SNP if they believe Scotland would be better off if it had the ability to make its own laws and decide its own fate.

But how and why that now seems so tied up with this idea that the EU is the answer to all of their problems is utterly beyond me.

Yes, the history between all of us home nations and/or Ireland hardly makes for the most pleasant of reading at time but we also share a lot of common bonds and cultural values. The average punter in Dublin or Glasgow has so much more in common with their equivalent in Birmingham or Bristol (I will leave London out because that is in a category of its own now that neither Scotland or Ireland have anything even close to) than anybody in Europe yet seemingly nationalists in both would rather tie their future to Brussels or Berlin.

I cannot help but think that a chip on their shoulders lays at the bottom of this all. They simply hate living in England's shadow and would rather swap that darkness for a similar gloomy one but emanating from Brussels. They lack the confidence to actually try and make it on their own.

Me too. The SNP witter on about not wanting to be part of a Union (ie United Kingdom) but want to be part of a Union that is the EU.

 

Badger11 Flag Beckenham 02 Aug 19 7.59am

Originally posted by ASCPFC

They all pay no tax and get a free premises. The people of Ireland do not benefit: the jobs don't even pay that well. If the EU sees tax avoidance, the Irish taxpayer pays for the case. Laughable is the only word for it. Knowing the government here, there are bound to be brown envelopes involved.
The current laugh is that no one can afford to rent or buy in Dublin as all the tech company HQs are there so they can avoid taxes too. The rest of the country is not much cheaper either.

Twenty years ago the bank I worked for moved it's operations from London to Dublin putting about 2000 workers out of a job. This was only possible because of the EU and a tax deal they did with the Irish government.

Over the next few months you will hear stories of companies moving jobs outside of the EU and Brexit will be blamed. Well this happened when we were in the EU the difference is that it never made the papers unlike today.

My company was one of the first into Dublin and also one of the first out. Having successfully moved they realised they could do it again once they had exploited the tax scheme and moved the jobs including mine to India.

It's a global economy these days in or out of the EU.

 


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Lyons550 Flag Shirley 02 Aug 19 10.02am

Could this be considered a relatively 'positive' article on the effects of a No deal from the Beeb??

[Link]

 


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ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 02 Aug 19 10.13am

Originally posted by Badger11

Twenty years ago the bank I worked for moved it's operations from London to Dublin putting about 2000 workers out of a job. This was only possible because of the EU and a tax deal they did with the Irish government.

Over the next few months you will hear stories of companies moving jobs outside of the EU and Brexit will be blamed. Well this happened when we were in the EU the difference is that it never made the papers unlike today.

My company was one of the first into Dublin and also one of the first out. Having successfully moved they realised they could do it again once they had exploited the tax scheme and moved the jobs including mine to India.

It's a global economy these days in or out of the EU.

Pretty much the pattern as I see it. We have had several come and go as the tax deal runs out.

 


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EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 02 Aug 19 10.50am

£2.1bn allocated by the Treasury to prepare for no-deal - 2 years ago that would have been described as project fear.

Raab caught out yesterday claiming that he regularly talked about no deal during the referendum; [Link]

Utter, utter madness.

Edited by EverybodyDannsNow (02 Aug 2019 10.51am)

 

dannyboy1978 Flag 02 Aug 19 12.26pm

Carney from BoE makes it up as he goes along.
Listne to the different tone and message he is trying to get across.
2016.
BBC News - EU referendum: Statement from Bank of England governor Mark Carney
[Link]
2019
BBC News - Mark Carney warns of instant shock from no-deal Brexit
[Link]

 

Stirlingsays Flag 02 Aug 19 12.30pm

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

Carney from BoE makes it up as he goes along.
Listne to the different tone and message he is trying to get across.
2016.
BBC News - EU referendum: Statement from Bank of England governor Mark Carney
[Link]
2019
BBC News - Mark Carney warns of instant shock from no-deal Brexit
[Link]

Yep Carney is abusing his role and being far too politically active. He has already been wrong on this topic and here he seems to be unnecessarily putting pressure on a political situation.

The reality that a 'no deal' brexit will have consequences for all affected economies has been known for years.

It is few people's preferred choice but this is where the remainers in the EU and parliament have led us.

They decided to make it stay or 'no deal' and that's what we are going.

Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Aug 2019 12.49pm)

 


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dannyboy1978 Flag 02 Aug 19 12.48pm

Hey look everyone, I'm Mr Carney head of the BoE, NO deal and the economy "could" tank, yes that should help the situation.

 

EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 02 Aug 19 12.54pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Yep Carney is abusing his role and being far too politically active. He has already been wrong on this topic and here he seems to be unnecessarily putting pressure on a political situation.

The reality that a 'no deal' brexit will have consequences for all affected economies has been known for years.

It is few people's preferred choice but this is where the remainers in the EU and parliament have led us.

They decided to make it stay or 'no deal' and that's what we are going to get then.

Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Aug 2019 12.33pm)

I find it incredible that the blame for this mess is still being allocated to everyone except the people who campaigned for something that could never be delivered.

In fact, one of them has just been made Prime Minister.

 

EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 02 Aug 19 12.59pm

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

Carney from BoE makes it up as he goes along.
Listne to the different tone and message he is trying to get across.
2016.
BBC News - EU referendum: Statement from Bank of England governor Mark Carney
[Link]
2019
BBC News - Mark Carney warns of instant shock from no-deal Brexit
[Link]

If we want to talk about different tones and messages since 2016, I don’t think leavers have a leg to stand on.

The goalposts have been moved so many times I can barely keep up.

 

dannyboy1978 Flag 02 Aug 19 1.00pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

I find it incredible that the blame for this mess is still being allocated to everyone except the people who campaigned for something that could never be delivered.

In fact, one of them has just been made Prime Minister.

It won't be delivered with pessimism and a no can do attitude and that is firmly at the remoaners feet.

 

EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 02 Aug 19 1.05pm

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

It won't be delivered with pessimism and a no can do attitude and that is firmly at the remoaners feet.

How would optimism and a can-do attitude solve the current deadlock?


Edited by EverybodyDannsNow (02 Aug 2019 1.10pm)

 

dannyboy1978 Flag 02 Aug 19 1.23pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

How would optimism and a can-do attitude solve the current deadlock?


Edited by EverybodyDannsNow (02 Aug 2019 1.10pm)

It would be a positive not a negative so would be looking forward which would only help. Talk of emergency budgets straight after the vote is not helpfull as an example

Edited by dannyboy1978 (02 Aug 2019 1.24pm)

 

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