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 Mapletree  Croydon 11 Dec 18 5.10pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
How would a second vote be any more valid than the first? Which part of because it would include the people most affected by the outcome did you struggle with? Also because the likely nature of our exit is fully articulated. May's deal or WTO terms. I do not believe that was at all clear at the vote two years ago. And by the way, the real effects have come home to roost for some people. I lost my job as a direct result. I was at a lecture in the City last week about European Union visas and the volume of movements being prepared - out of London mostly to Frankfurt and Paris - was absolutely stunning. I had not fully appreciated the scale. Edited by Mapletree (11 Dec 2018 5.14pm)
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| chris123 hove actually 11 Dec 18 5.12pm |
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Originally posted by Cucking Funt
Nail on the head, Willo. All this clamouring for the so-called 'People's Vote' and nobody seems to have a clue what the question should actually be. The whole notion of it is farcical. If people don't like the deal - fair enough, many won't. It's the you didn't understand what you were voting for bit that I find disingenuous.
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| Matov 11 Dec 18 5.13pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Which part of because it would include the people most affected by the outcome did you struggle with? Also because the likely nature of our exit is fully articulated. May's deal or WTO terms. I do not believe that was at all clear at the vote two years ago. So lets have a vote on Mays deal or WTO terms then. Why should Remain get a second bite at the cherry? You said it was a once in a lifetime decision. That decision was made.
"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell. |
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 Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 11 Dec 18 5.13pm |
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Originally posted by chris123
If people don't like the deal - fair enough, many won't. It's the you didn't understand what you were voting for bit that I find disingenuous. Downright offensive and patronising, I'd call it.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 11 Dec 18 5.14pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Which part of because it would include the people most affected by the outcome did you struggle with? Also because the likely nature of our exit is fully articulated. May's deal or WTO terms. I do not believe that was at all clear at the vote two years ago. Well it would have to be a binding vote on the government and the government would have to put measures in place to carry out the result, if you want another vote.
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Pussay Patrol  11 Dec 18 5.14pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
Why will it be worse? Or do you want me to believe the same people who told me, that just in the event of Leave winning on June 23rd, 500,000 people would lose their jobs? And that the country would enter a recession? And both those were presented as nailed on facts by HMG's Treasury. That's easily answered. Why would you go to great lengths and dramatic change if there's no benefit ? All brexiters say is it won't be as bad as people make out, but never explain how we'll be better off. Then why bother?
Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah |
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| Mapletree Croydon 11 Dec 18 5.15pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Well it would have to be a binding vote on the government and the government would have to put measures in place to carry out the result, if you want another vote. I am fine with that, it would be so, de facto, in any case.
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| Matov 11 Dec 18 5.23pm |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
All brexiters say is it won't be as bad as people make out, but never explain how we'll be better off. Then why bother? All economics forecasts are essentially guesses. Some more educated than others. But look at how the world has changed. Global communications are becoming easier by the day, containerisation has revolutionised global trade and in short the we can do business with other parts of world far more easily. Why would we want to tie ourselves down to a 'single market'? Or be part of a political entity in which our hands are tied because of having to make sure that 26 other nations are on board, along with having to marry our own legal system with that of the Napoleonic version prevalent in the rest of Europe? Is there an argument to be made for a federalised Europe? Quite possibly. But it is not being made, at least in the open. Otherwise, the EU is an anachronism which at best, is a tired old format with questionable democratic accountability (ask yourself which Europen citizen ever voted for anybody in the Commission) and at worst, with the disastrous single currency project, imposed more suffering on Europe during peacetime than anything since the bubonic plague. The UK is far better off free from the shackles of the European Union which is in desperate trouble.
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| Matov 11 Dec 18 5.27pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
I am fine with that, it would be so, de facto, in any case. So what was the promise made to us prior to the June 23rd vote? Or did they have their fingers crossed behind their backs when they promised us to implement the decision?
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| Mapletree Croydon 11 Dec 18 5.30pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
So what was the promise made to us prior to the June 23rd vote? Or did they have their fingers crossed behind their backs when they promised us to implement the decision? So presumably you are backing Mrs May's deal then? That is how they have implemented the decision.
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| Mapletree Croydon 11 Dec 18 5.32pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
So what was the promise made to us prior to the June 23rd vote? Or did they have their fingers crossed behind their backs when they promised us to implement the decision? Actually, probably. It was Cameron. It is clear he didn't think the vote would be to leave, I doubt very much we would have had a vote if he had thought differently.
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| elgrande bedford 11 Dec 18 5.34pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Which part of because it would include the people most affected by the outcome did you struggle with? Also because the likely nature of our exit is fully articulated. May's deal or WTO terms. I do not believe that was at all clear at the vote two years ago. And by the way, the real effects have come home to roost for some people. I lost my job as a direct result. I was at a lecture in the City last week about European Union visas and the volume of movements being prepared - out of London mostly to Frankfurt and Paris - was absolutely stunning. I had not fully appreciated the scale. Edited by Mapletree (11 Dec 2018 5.14pm) Well I'm sorry you lost your job.
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