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Hrolf The Ganger 21 Jun 16 3.55pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman CALIFORNIA is calling me louder and louder. Might keep a Soviet style flat for the odd visit like the ones next to the Caterham Travelodge or a flashier one with neon buttons and shiny mirrors in the lift up to 17 floors like the one and probably more soon to go up in Purley. There's already some opposite Purley station. They'll be everywhere soon and the young will have what they wanted. An over populated country without room to swing a cat or a lifestyle like their childhoods' after working all week in jobs in big businesses where wages are suppressed and the gap between workers and directors gets wider and wider. Fools. I'll laugh when any of these leavers moan in years to come. At least they'll know they can go and work in a bar on the continent at the drop of a hat if they wanted or ever intended to. Good luck to them, they're gonna need it. Edited by Rudi Hedman (21 Jun 2016 3.39pm) I feel your pain. Fortunately or unfortunately, a few years under the belt gives you a little perspective that the young don't have. I feel sorry for them. At least they will have robots and better TV's.

Hrolf The Ganger

21 Jun 16 3.55pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

CALIFORNIA is calling me louder and louder.

Might keep a Soviet style flat for the odd visit like the ones next to the Caterham Travelodge or a flashier one with neon buttons and shiny mirrors in the lift up to 17 floors like the one and probably more soon to go up in Purley. There's already some opposite Purley station.

They'll be everywhere soon and the young will have what they wanted. An over populated country without room to swing a cat or a lifestyle like their childhoods' after working all week in jobs in big businesses where wages are suppressed and the gap between workers and directors gets wider and wider. Fools.

I'll laugh when any of these leavers moan in years to come. At least they'll know they can go and work in a bar on the continent at the drop of a hat if they wanted or ever intended to. Good luck to them, they're gonna need it.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (21 Jun 2016 3.39pm)

I feel your pain. Fortunately or unfortunately, a few years under the belt gives you a little perspective that the young don't have.
I feel sorry for them. At least they will have robots and better TV's.

ceitinn 21 Jun 16 4.02pm
Let's put this in simple terms. There are an estimated 1.2m Brits living in the EU, most in Spain and Ireland and not the 2m Cameron says! There are over 4m EU nationals in the UK. They say if we leave the EU it could cost 1m jobs. So that is +1.8m jobs, minimum plus the £350m a week we'll save. I think that is pretty straight forward to me!

ceitinn

21 Jun 16 4.02pm

Let's put this in simple terms.

There are an estimated 1.2m Brits living in the EU, most in Spain and Ireland and not the 2m Cameron says!

There are over 4m EU nationals in the UK.

They say if we leave the EU it could cost 1m jobs.

So that is +1.8m jobs, minimum plus the £350m a week we'll save.

I think that is pretty straight forward to me!

DivingIsNotGood se25 21 Jun 16 4.05pm
This made me laugh when Parish said "We didn't have a vote" [Link] this is what is going to happen to all of our rights and children's rights, we will no longer matter. The one world order will be in control. VOTING OUT - Brexit will allow Britain to embrace the Commonwealth and be GREAT again

DivingIsNotGood

se25 21 Jun 16 4.05pm

This made me laugh when Parish said "We didn't have a vote" [Link] this is what is going to happen to all of our rights and children's rights, we will no longer matter. The one world order will be in control.

VOTING OUT - Brexit will allow Britain to embrace the Commonwealth and be GREAT again

DivingIsNotGood se25 21 Jun 16 4.33pm
Agenda30 reported on megacities way back, we now seeing this pop up on more and more sites. [Link] This will happen across Europe, England set to be divided into regions. [Link] VOTING OUT - Brexit will allow Britain to embrace the Commonwealth and be GREAT again

DivingIsNotGood

se25 21 Jun 16 4.33pm

Agenda30 reported on megacities way back, we now seeing this pop up on more and more sites.

[Link]

This will happen across Europe, England set to be divided into regions.
[Link]

VOTING OUT - Brexit will allow Britain to embrace the Commonwealth and be GREAT again

dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 21 Jun 16 4.38pm
Parish, an island of common sense in a sea of absolute pish. "It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"

dannyh

wherever I lay my hat....... 21 Jun 16 4.38pm

Parish, an island of common sense in a sea of absolute pish.

"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"

crystal balls The Garden of Earthly Delights 21 Jun 16 4.49pm
Originally posted by dannyh I'm tempted to say so what ! but I will refrain and just say that may be the case, but we had a big war that killed millions of man folk just after, and before hand if you know your history, you will know that life expectancy back then was 47 for a man and only 50 for a women, infant mortality was through the roof and actually worse than it was in the early 1800's. Typhoid TB Flu Cholera Diphtheria measles and whopping cough where all killers, where as in modern Britain today they are not. London back then was a diseased ridden cesspit, and without modern medication it will be again I fear. A look at West Croydon will show you the future to come It was actually 1939 Nick, just before WW2. Life expectancy in 1902 was 57 for men, which is one of the reasons pension age was set at 65, very few working men actually reached 65. However, by pre-WW2 life expectancy was a good deal higher as medical advances, better living conditions and diet improved greatly. It seems obvious to me that with the population of the world increasing greatly in the last 50 years it is not unreasonable for the population of the uk to increase as well. Indeed it is pretty much essential, as the uk population has been ageing and the working age population has been falling for many years, eventually the uk will be unsustainable, other than by finding more tax paying workers. I used to be immortal

crystal balls

The Garden of Earthly Delights 21 Jun 16 4.49pm

Originally posted by dannyh

I'm tempted to say so what ! but I will refrain and just say that may be the case, but we had a big war that killed millions of man folk just after, and before hand if you know your history, you will know that life expectancy back then was 47 for a man and only 50 for a women, infant mortality was through the roof and actually worse than it was in the early 1800's.

Typhoid TB Flu Cholera Diphtheria measles and whopping cough where all killers, where as in modern Britain today they are not.

London back then was a diseased ridden cesspit, and without modern medication it will be again I fear.

A look at West Croydon will show you the future to come

It was actually 1939 Nick, just before WW2.

Life expectancy in 1902 was 57 for men, which is one of the reasons pension age was set at 65, very few working men actually reached 65. However, by pre-WW2 life expectancy was a good deal higher as medical advances, better living conditions and diet improved greatly.

It seems obvious to me that with the population of the world increasing greatly in the last 50 years it is not unreasonable for the population of the uk to increase as well. Indeed it is pretty much essential, as the uk population has been ageing and the working age population has been falling for many years, eventually the uk will be unsustainable, other than by finding more tax paying workers.

I used to be immortal

Hrolf The Ganger 21 Jun 16 4.58pm
Originally posted by crystal balls It was actually 1939 Nick, just before WW2. Life expectancy in 1902 was 57 for men, which is one of the reasons pension age was set at 65, very few working men actually reached 65. However, by pre-WW2 life expectancy was a good deal higher as medical advances, better living conditions and diet improved greatly. It seems obvious to me that with the population of the world increasing greatly in the last 50 years it is not unreasonable for the population of the uk to increase as well. Indeed it is pretty much essential, as the uk population has been ageing and the working age population has been falling for many years, eventually the uk will be unsustainable, other than by finding more tax paying workers. There is some truth to that but this particular problem will pale in comparison to the population explosion that will occur worldwide over the next 100 to 200 years. The irony is that pre WW1 families were generally much larger and then reduced sharply, particularly with the wide spread introduction of contraceptive pill in the 60's. We were told that reducing family size was modern and responsible because of the predicted population crisis. Now that trend has produced a situation where we have had to import tax payers. Another short sighted idea. The lesson, I would suggest, is don't listen to so called experts. They often talk a lot of bollocks.

Hrolf The Ganger

21 Jun 16 4.58pm

Originally posted by crystal balls

It was actually 1939 Nick, just before WW2.

There is some truth to that but this particular problem will pale in comparison to the population explosion that will occur worldwide over the next 100 to 200 years.
The irony is that pre WW1 families were generally much larger and then reduced sharply, particularly with the wide spread introduction of contraceptive pill in the 60's.
We were told that reducing family size was modern and responsible because of the predicted population crisis. Now that trend has produced a situation where we have had to import tax payers. Another short sighted idea.

The lesson, I would suggest, is don't listen to so called experts. They often talk a lot of bollocks.

DivingIsNotGood se25 21 Jun 16 5.03pm
Wow remain getting really desperate now ! [Link] VOTING OUT - Brexit will allow Britain to embrace the Commonwealth and be GREAT again

DivingIsNotGood

se25 21 Jun 16 5.03pm

Wow remain getting really desperate now ! [Link]

VOTING OUT - Brexit will allow Britain to embrace the Commonwealth and be GREAT again

Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 21 Jun 16 5.04pm
Originally posted by ceitinn Let's put this in simple terms. There are an estimated 1.2m Brits living in the EU, most in Spain and Ireland and not the 2m Cameron says! There are over 4m EU nationals in the UK. They say if we leave the EU it could cost 1m jobs. So that is +1.8m jobs, minimum plus the £350m a week we'll save. I think that is pretty straight forward to me! But the £350million has already been proven to be massively unnacurate the dignified don't even enter in the game

Y Ddraig Goch

In The Crowd 21 Jun 16 5.04pm

Originally posted by ceitinn

Let's put this in simple terms.

There are an estimated 1.2m Brits living in the EU, most in Spain and Ireland and not the 2m Cameron says!

There are over 4m EU nationals in the UK.

They say if we leave the EU it could cost 1m jobs.

So that is +1.8m jobs, minimum plus the £350m a week we'll save.

I think that is pretty straight forward to me!

But the £350million has already been proven to be massively unnacurate

the dignified don't even enter in the game

snytaxx London 21 Jun 16 5.14pm
Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch But the £350million has already been proven to be massively unnacurate No it hasn't. It's paid in arrears so yes we do hand over £350million a week. The debate should me more about what how much of that we get back, as does the method of its return really constitute to the reduction of this figure.

snytaxx

London 21 Jun 16 5.14pm

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

But the £350million has already been proven to be massively unnacurate

No it hasn't.

It's paid in arrears so yes we do hand over £350million a week. The debate should me more about what how much of that we get back, as does the method of its return really constitute to the reduction of this figure.

EverybodyDannsNow SE19 21 Jun 16 5.16pm
Originally posted by DivingIsNotGood Wow remain getting really desperate now ! [Link] One random bloke set up a petition, with a nominal number of signatures - wow!

EverybodyDannsNow

SE19 21 Jun 16 5.16pm

Originally posted by DivingIsNotGood

Wow remain getting really desperate now ! [Link]

One random bloke set up a petition, with a nominal number of signatures - wow!

DivingIsNotGood se25 21 Jun 16 5.19pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow One random bloke set up a petition, with a nominal number of signatures - wow! is always one person that sets them up! nearly 8000 signatures in a few hours is pretty strong don't you think?? VOTING OUT - Brexit will allow Britain to embrace the Commonwealth and be GREAT again

DivingIsNotGood

se25 21 Jun 16 5.19pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

One random bloke set up a petition, with a nominal number of signatures - wow!

is always one person that sets them up! nearly 8000 signatures in a few hours is pretty strong don't you think??

VOTING OUT - Brexit will allow Britain to embrace the Commonwealth and be GREAT again

pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 21 Jun 16 5.20pm
It looks like we do need those immigrants. [Link] At least to fight our wars. "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

pefwin

Where you have to have an English ... 21 Jun 16 5.20pm

It looks like we do need those immigrants.

[Link]

At least to fight our wars.

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

snytaxx London 21 Jun 16 5.24pm
Originally posted by pefwin It looks like we do need those immigrants. [Link] At least to fight our wars. I don't think non British passport holders are allowed to join the armed forces unless under special circumstances, i.e. the Irish Guards and the Gurkhas. Bizarrely a Brexit vote be a step in that direction, not the other way round.

snytaxx

London 21 Jun 16 5.24pm

Originally posted by pefwin

It looks like we do need those immigrants.

[Link]

At least to fight our wars.

I don't think non British passport holders are allowed to join the armed forces unless under special circumstances, i.e. the Irish Guards and the Gurkhas. Bizarrely a Brexit vote be a step in that direction, not the other way round.

EverybodyDannsNow SE19 21 Jun 16 5.28pm
Originally posted by DivingIsNotGood is always one person that sets them up! nearly 8000 signatures in a few hours is pretty strong don't you think?? Not at all, and I certainly don't think such a small number can be used to draw any conclusions about either campaign.

EverybodyDannsNow

SE19 21 Jun 16 5.28pm

Originally posted by DivingIsNotGood

is always one person that sets them up! nearly 8000 signatures in a few hours is pretty strong don't you think??

Not at all, and I certainly don't think such a small number can be used to draw any conclusions about either campaign.

Kermit8 Hevon 21 Jun 16 5.30pm
Originally posted by Stuk The proportion of those sort of people, out of the total that wish to leave will be a tiny, tiny number. Stop pandering or aiming your posts at the morons. In this thread you have been, almost, as sad as the official campaigns. Wrong. 40% of Brexit voters canvassed in one poll said immigration was their primary reason for voting 'Out'. I like aiming my posts at the morons btw Big chest and massive boobs [Link]

Kermit8

Hevon 21 Jun 16 5.30pm

Originally posted by Stuk

The proportion of those sort of people, out of the total that wish to leave will be a tiny, tiny number.

Stop pandering or aiming your posts at the morons. In this thread you have been, almost, as sad as the official campaigns.

Wrong. 40% of Brexit voters canvassed in one poll said immigration was their primary reason for voting 'Out'.

I like aiming my posts at the morons btw

Big chest and massive boobs

[Link]

DivingIsNotGood se25 21 Jun 16 5.32pm
Originally posted by snytaxx No it hasn't. It's paid in arrears so yes we do hand over £350million a week. The debate should me more about what how much of that we get back, as does the method of its return really constitute to the reduction of this figure. The £350 million a week is wrong, that has been confirmed, it's an old figure from 2014 which is the latest accountable data. If you took the 2016 figure, amount the gross weekly contributions will turn out actually to be far higher. Talking millions to individuals is pointless as to us is sounds a colossal amount but when its national level it's nowhere near as big. I guess an analogy would be like you joining a business breakfast club, and it costs you £35 a week to be a member and for that, you get to trade which a bunch of other useless businesspeople who like you are unable to drum up the business without the pathetic breakfast club membership. You all meet in an incestuous little pit scratching each others back. After a few years in the club, you come to the realisation that you seem to be buying far more and giving far more services than you get in return and decide one day to leave. It's not until you leave, you realise there is, in fact, a far bigger better brighter real world out there, more profits, easier to deal with clients. Then a few weeks later you get a phone call from one of the other breakfast club members, saying he to decided to leave and would like to buy your service(s) again, and then another. Soon the breakfast club closes, you have twice as many clients and far happier, and all lived happily after. Edited by DivingIsNotGood (21 Jun 2016 5.37pm) VOTING OUT - Brexit will allow Britain to embrace the Commonwealth and be GREAT again

DivingIsNotGood

se25 21 Jun 16 5.32pm

Originally posted by snytaxx

No it hasn't.

The £350 million a week is wrong, that has been confirmed, it's an old figure from 2014 which is the latest accountable data. If you took the 2016 figure, amount the gross weekly contributions will turn out actually to be far higher.

Talking millions to individuals is pointless as to us is sounds a colossal amount but when its national level it's nowhere near as big.
I guess an analogy would be like you joining a business breakfast club, and it costs you £35 a week to be a member and for that, you get to trade which a bunch of other useless businesspeople who like you are unable to drum up the business without the pathetic breakfast club membership. You all meet in an incestuous little pit scratching each others back. After a few years in the club, you come to the realisation that you seem to be buying far more and giving far more services than you get in return and decide one day to leave.
It's not until you leave, you realise there is, in fact, a far bigger better brighter real world out there, more profits, easier to deal with clients. Then a few weeks later you get a phone call from one of the other breakfast club members, saying he to decided to leave and would like to buy your service(s) again, and then another. Soon the breakfast club closes, you have twice as many clients and far happier, and all lived happily after.

Edited by DivingIsNotGood (21 Jun 2016 5.37pm)

VOTING OUT - Brexit will allow Britain to embrace the Commonwealth and be GREAT again

DivingIsNotGood se25 21 Jun 16 5.36pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow Not at all, and I certainly don't think such a small number can be used to draw any conclusions about either campaign. Explain then, I'm sure we'd all love to know, how hundreds of people at the same time setup one petition?? At 10,000 signatures, government will respond to the petition At 100,000 signatures, this petition will be considered for debate in Parliament Usually at 10,000 signatures the petition gets some social media press where it starts to accelerate. VOTING OUT - Brexit will allow Britain to embrace the Commonwealth and be GREAT again

DivingIsNotGood

se25 21 Jun 16 5.36pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Not at all, and I certainly don't think such a small number can be used to draw any conclusions about either campaign.

Explain then, I'm sure we'd all love to know, how hundreds of people at the same time setup one petition??

At 10,000 signatures, government will respond to the petition
At 100,000 signatures, this petition will be considered for debate in Parliament

Usually at 10,000 signatures the petition gets some social media press where it starts to accelerate.

VOTING OUT - Brexit will allow Britain to embrace the Commonwealth and be GREAT again

DivingIsNotGood se25 21 Jun 16 5.36pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 Wrong. 40% of Brexit voters canvassed in one poll said immigration was their primary reason for voting 'Out'. I like aiming my posts at the morons btw show us the poll? VOTING OUT - Brexit will allow Britain to embrace the Commonwealth and be GREAT again

DivingIsNotGood

se25 21 Jun 16 5.36pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Wrong. 40% of Brexit voters canvassed in one poll said immigration was their primary reason for voting 'Out'.

I like aiming my posts at the morons btw

show us the poll?

VOTING OUT - Brexit will allow Britain to embrace the Commonwealth and be GREAT again

EverybodyDannsNow SE19 21 Jun 16 5.42pm
Originally posted by DivingIsNotGood Explain then, I'm sure we'd all love to know, how hundreds of people at the same time setup one petition?? At 10,000 signatures, government will respond to the petition At 100,000 signatures, this petition will be considered for debate in Parliament Usually at 10,000 signatures the petition gets some social media press where it starts to accelerate. Well because 8000 people represents less than 0.001% of the population, so to claim it's representative of anything is just not true.

EverybodyDannsNow

SE19 21 Jun 16 5.42pm

Originally posted by DivingIsNotGood

Explain then, I'm sure we'd all love to know, how hundreds of people at the same time setup one petition??

At 10,000 signatures, government will respond to the petition
At 100,000 signatures, this petition will be considered for debate in Parliament

Usually at 10,000 signatures the petition gets some social media press where it starts to accelerate.

Well because 8000 people represents less than 0.001% of the population, so to claim it's representative of anything is just not true.

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