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HKOwen Hong Kong 29 Nov 19 1.15pm
Martin O'Neil has become a political journalist? Originally posted by Stirlingsays I don't believe in 'equality'.....I believe in 'fairness'....and in that sense you're correct. Boris could be rinsed by O'Neil because he's said a lot....and I mean a lot of spicy stuff as a journalist and even after. Much of it I agree with but none of it politically correct or prudent for a Prime Minster.....So I'm not surprised he's running. But he will address it eventually....because he has no choice. Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Nov 2019 12.44pm) Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.
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Hong Kong 29 Nov 19 1.15pm

Martin O'Neil has become a political journalist?

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I don't believe in 'equality'.....I believe in 'fairness'....and in that sense you're correct.

Boris could be rinsed by O'Neil because he's said a lot....and I mean a lot of spicy stuff as a journalist and even after.

Much of it I agree with but none of it politically correct or prudent for a Prime Minster.....So I'm not surprised he's running.

But he will address it eventually....because he has no choice.

Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Nov 2019 12.44pm)

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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chris123 hove actually 29 Nov 19 1.20pm
Originally posted by HKOwen Martin O'Neil has become a political journalist? A logical step for one of Clough's boys.
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hove actually 29 Nov 19 1.20pm

Originally posted by HKOwen

Martin O'Neil has become a political journalist?

A logical step for one of Clough's boys.

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Stirlingsays 29 Nov 19 1.22pm
Originally posted by Jway89 Equality of outcomes/fairness is all an interpretation. I would say you believe in of equality of outcomes, just at a different % than others. I've always found the notion of conservatism being destroyed. I think Peter Hitchens has said this too. So, being too lazy to try and figure out what that is, could you provide 5 things that define true conservatism, which the new conservatives have strayed from? A way to illustrate the difference between believing in fairness as opposed to equality....would be say, women's football. If you had 'equality of outcomes', women footballers would be paid the same as male footballers.....Obviously due to the differences in the fiscal value both generate that would be highly unfair to the men's game. For an opposite example....it would be crazy if all fashion models were paid the same when obviously female fashion models are normally the stand out stars. Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Nov 2019 1.24pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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29 Nov 19 1.22pm

Originally posted by Jway89

Equality of outcomes/fairness is all an interpretation. I would say you believe in of equality of outcomes, just at a different % than others.

I've always found the notion of conservatism being destroyed. I think Peter Hitchens has said this too. So, being too lazy to try and figure out what that is, could you provide 5 things that define true conservatism, which the new conservatives have strayed from?

A way to illustrate the difference between believing in fairness as opposed to equality....would be say, women's football.

If you had 'equality of outcomes', women footballers would be paid the same as male footballers.....Obviously due to the differences in the fiscal value both generate that would be highly unfair to the men's game.

For an opposite example....it would be crazy if all fashion models were paid the same when obviously female fashion models are normally the stand out stars.

Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Nov 2019 1.24pm)

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Deleted11 29 Nov 19 1.25pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays LGBTQ whatever that is. Immigration Free speech The traditional family unit Nationalism 1) Not too sure if you are referring to the Q or the whole line. Is the conservative stance against it? 2) Is conservatism completely against it or controlling it? 3) We can say whatever we want. I will agree that it is a bit more PC nowadays, but the problem maybe in a lack of vocabulary. 4) I don't think anyone is against that, but I also don't see why I have to have a family. 5) This is disappearing, but, I look at Nationalism along the same lines as being a Palace supporter. How emotional do we all get on game day when we have Brighton or whoever. We are one, supporting our team, but what if we were the only team in the Premier League (We'd be champions every year ), but I think the notion of being a Palace supporter would corrode. It's the same for Nationalism, imo. I think the older generation that lived through the wars and after do have that us against them mentality, but when you don't have any wars, where's the 'incentive' for everyone to fight for 'their country'?
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

LGBTQ whatever that is.
Immigration
Free speech
The traditional family unit
Nationalism

1) Not too sure if you are referring to the Q or the whole line. Is the conservative stance against it?
2) Is conservatism completely against it or controlling it?
3) We can say whatever we want. I will agree that it is a bit more PC nowadays, but the problem maybe in a lack of vocabulary.
4) I don't think anyone is against that, but I also don't see why I have to have a family.
5) This is disappearing, but, I look at Nationalism along the same lines as being a Palace supporter. How emotional do we all get on game day when we have Brighton or whoever. We are one, supporting our team, but what if we were the only team in the Premier League (We'd be champions every year ), but I think the notion of being a Palace supporter would corrode. It's the same for Nationalism, imo. I think the older generation that lived through the wars and after do have that us against them mentality, but when you don't have any wars, where's the 'incentive' for everyone to fight for 'their country'?

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Stirlingsays 29 Nov 19 1.26pm
Originally posted by HKOwen Martin O'Neil has become a political journalist? Mmmmm....strange....why was I calling him O'Neil instead of Neil. Weird. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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29 Nov 19 1.26pm

Originally posted by HKOwen

Martin O'Neil has become a political journalist?

Mmmmm....strange....why was I calling him O'Neil instead of Neil.

Weird.

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Stirlingsays 29 Nov 19 1.30pm
Originally posted by Jway89 1) Not too sure if you are referring to the Q or the whole line. Is the conservative stance against it? 2) Is conservatism completely against it or controlling it? 3) We can say whatever we want. I will agree that it is a bit more PC nowadays, but the problem maybe in a lack of vocabulary. 4) I don't think anyone is against that, but I also don't see why I have to have a family. 5) This is disappearing, but, I look at Nationalism along the same lines as being a Palace supporter. How emotional do we all get on game day when we have Brighton or whoever. We are one, supporting our team, but what if we were the only team in the Premier League (We'd be champions every year ), but I think the notion of being a Palace supporter would corrode. It's the same for Nationalism, imo. I think the older generation that lived through the wars and after do have that us against them mentality, but when you don't have any wars, where's the 'incentive' for everyone to fight for 'their country'? There's room for a debate on social conservative v neo liberalism and other stances.....but we probably don't want to get into the weeds on the election thread. Probably needs its own thread, I'll start one tomorrow...going out Christmas shopping. Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Nov 2019 1.31pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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29 Nov 19 1.30pm

Originally posted by Jway89

There's room for a debate on social conservative v neo liberalism and other stances.....but we probably don't want to get into the weeds on the election thread.

Probably needs its own thread, I'll start one tomorrow...going out Christmas shopping.

Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Nov 2019 1.31pm)

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Deleted11 29 Nov 19 1.32pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays A way to illustrate the difference between believing in fairness as opposed to equality....would be say, women's football. If you had 'equality of outcomes', women footballers would be paid the same as male footballers..... Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Nov 2019 1.24pm) But you do believe they should be paid, just not as much yet? If women's football reaches the viewership and attendance figures of the male game, you wouldn't have a problem with them being paid the same. Equality of outcome. Doesn't even have to be the women's game. Look at someone like Andy Carroll. Was at West Ham on £90k a week, then compare his record to someone like Glen Murray, who we should never have sold. Is that fair? No, but who cares if we have to pay increased subscriptions to Sky and higher season tickets.
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

A way to illustrate the difference between believing in fairness as opposed to equality....would be say, women's football.

If you had 'equality of outcomes', women footballers would be paid the same as male footballers.....

Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Nov 2019 1.24pm)

But you do believe they should be paid, just not as much yet?
If women's football reaches the viewership and attendance figures of the male game, you wouldn't have a problem with them being paid the same.

Equality of outcome.

Doesn't even have to be the women's game. Look at someone like Andy Carroll. Was at West Ham on £90k a week, then compare his record to someone like Glen Murray, who we should never have sold. Is that fair?
No, but who cares if we have to pay increased subscriptions to Sky and higher season tickets.

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Hrolf The Ganger 29 Nov 19 1.47pm
Originally posted by SW19 CPFC Boris is most definitely not wise. He's evasive and slippery – much like his puppet master. That said, I'd probably be doing the same as him to reduce the possibility of losing support by entering into a fair fight. Gamesmanship, calculated cowardice and general shirking – not very honourable but certainly tactically astute. A perfect description of Jeremy Corbyn.
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29 Nov 19 1.47pm

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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Boris is most definitely not wise.

He's evasive and slippery – much like his puppet master. That said, I'd probably be doing the same as him to reduce the possibility of losing support by entering into a fair fight. Gamesmanship, calculated cowardice and general shirking – not very honourable but certainly tactically astute.

A perfect description of Jeremy Corbyn.

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sickboy Deal or Croydon 29 Nov 19 2.13pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger A perfect description of Jeremy Corbyn. The same Jeremy Corbyn who cites Hammas as his 'friends', and (if i remember correctly ) , his brothers.? Hammas who want every jew on the planet exterminated. But he isn't an anti semite. And people are getting their knickers in a twist about Boris not making a couple of tv appearances or saying how many kids he has. How people can support Corbyn is beyond me. Maybe they agree with his stance.
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Deal or Croydon 29 Nov 19 2.13pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

A perfect description of Jeremy Corbyn.

The same Jeremy Corbyn who cites Hammas as his 'friends', and (if i remember correctly ) , his brothers.?
Hammas who want every jew on the planet exterminated.
But he isn't an anti semite.
And people are getting their knickers in a twist about Boris not making a couple of tv appearances or saying how many kids he has.
How people can support Corbyn is beyond me.
Maybe they agree with his stance.

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DanH SW2 29 Nov 19 2.29pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays LGBTQ whatever that is. Immigration Free speech The traditional family unit Nationalism There are probably more but I'm multi tasking at the moment. How do you feel about Boris’ traditional family unit?
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DanH

SW2 29 Nov 19 2.29pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

LGBTQ whatever that is.
Immigration
Free speech
The traditional family unit
Nationalism

There are probably more but I'm multi tasking at the moment.

How do you feel about Boris’ traditional family unit?

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Midlands Eagle 29 Nov 19 2.36pm
Originally posted by DanH How do you feel about Boris’ traditional family unit? No matter how many children Boris has I very much doubt whether any of them were raised on state benefits
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29 Nov 19 2.36pm

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Originally posted by DanH

How do you feel about Boris’ traditional family unit?

No matter how many children Boris has I very much doubt whether any of them were raised on state benefits

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Stirlingsays 29 Nov 19 2.45pm
Originally posted by DanH How do you feel about Boris’ traditional family unit? Wrong apostrophe. Well Boris is no social conservative in that sense. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

29 Nov 19 2.45pm

Originally posted by DanH

How do you feel about Boris’ traditional family unit?

Wrong apostrophe.

Well Boris is no social conservative in that sense.

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