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W12 05 Mar 22 9.55am

Originally posted by Mapletree

Had I made an ad hominem attack on you I would have simply said you are a swivel eyed loon. Calling you a zealot is a statement of fact.

There are 9.2m doctors in the world. Please enumerate those that disagree with vaccination.

As I ran Care Homes, we discussed ‘with’ vs ‘of’ from the outset, as did all medical professionals.

We also discussed viral load, the underlying question in respect of PCR cycling

For those who are unaware:

In most commonly used COVID PCR tests, a positive result is given if a fluorescent signal develops after a number of ‘amplification’ cycles. The cycle threshold (Ct) is the number of amplification cycles required for the fluorescent signal to become strong enough to confirm a positive result. Because of the way PCR works, the more virus in a sample to start with, the fewer cycles are needed for a signal to be detected – the lower the Ct value.

A low Ct value is associated with a high viral load. This means the amount of virus in a given sample was high, and therefore the infected person is more likely to go on to infect others.

I’m not sure what point you are making with those last two paragraphs.

I also don’t know how you expect me to count the number of doctors that are speaking out against all of this. That’s a ridiculous ask. I do know that many were being threatened with being struck off for doing so (which is clearly worse than losing your job).

I do wonder whether Midazolam was administered under your watch in these care homes.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 05 Mar 22 1.13pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by W12

I’m not sure what point you are making with those last two paragraphs.

I also don’t know how you expect me to count the number of doctors that are speaking out against all of this. That’s a ridiculous ask. I do know that many were being threatened with being struck off for doing so (which is clearly worse than losing your job).

I do wonder whether Midazolam was administered under your watch in these care homes.

Maple wrote 99.99% of 9.2 million doctors.
He's given figures so saying loads or many doesn't really back up your point. All those companies or quangos you mentioned must have info about employee numbers. Add them up, then that gives you a figure. Although it would need 100% per company in agreement which I doubt.
BTW why are you so anti vaccine ? For the 4th time !

 

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W12 05 Mar 22 8.57pm

Originally posted by cryrst

Maple wrote 99.99% of 9.2 million doctors.
He's given figures so saying loads or many doesn't really back up your point. All those companies or quangos you mentioned must have info about employee numbers. Add them up, then that gives you a figure. Although it would need 100% per company in agreement which I doubt.
BTW why are you so anti vaccine ? For the 4th time !

You sound mental - “he’s given figures”, would you like me to make some figures up too?

I would really like a reply on the Midazolam question though. Doubt he wants to commit a specific reply on that one.

Why is it your concern whether I’m anti vaccine or not by the way?

 

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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 05 Mar 22 10.23pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by W12

You sound mental - “he’s given figures”, would you like me to make some figures up too?

I would really like a reply on the Midazolam question though. Doubt he wants to commit a specific reply on that one.

Why is it your concern whether I’m anti vaccine or not by the way?

Our Care Homes were not ‘with nursing’. The specific doctor for each resident would prescribe their medication, we would administer. I can’t tell you which meds were prescribed, it would not have been appropriate for me to know.

How does this question fit into your conspiracy theories pray tell.

 

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W12 05 Mar 22 10.58pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

Our Care Homes were not ‘with nursing’. The specific doctor for each resident would prescribe their medication, we would administer. I can’t tell you which meds were prescribed, it would not have been appropriate for me to know.

How does this question fit into your conspiracy theories pray tell.

I want to know if they were prescribed Midazolam. I don’t care if they died “with nursing” or died “of nursing”

Don’t f***ing tell me you don’t know (or can’t find out) what was prescribed.

You seem very touchy on this specific subject.

 

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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 05 Mar 22 11.11pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by W12

I want to know if they were prescribed Midazolam. I don’t care if they died “with nursing” or died “of nursing”

Don’t f***ing tell me you don’t know (or can’t find out) what was prescribed.

You seem very touchy on this specific subject.

I can f***ing tell you whatever I like. I choose the truth

What is your problem?

I can’t tell you what each person was prescribed. We had no right to prescribe as we had no in house doctors or nurses.

You clearly don’t understand medicine

Are you suggesting everyone was prescribed the same thing? Maybe all kept like zombies?

Without looking at individual med sheets, no I can’t tell you what people were prescribed. The home managers tried to get the doctors to minimise drugs such as sedatives by working closely with residents to stop incidents and escalations

I have no idea why you think I seem touchy about Midazolam.

I also have no idea what your highly ‘focused’ mind is doing and the case you are trying to make but in the words of Pink Floyd ‘the worms ate into his brain’.

 

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W12 05 Mar 22 11.28pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

I can f***ing tell you whatever I like. I choose the truth

What is your problem?

I can’t tell you what each person was prescribed. We had no right to prescribe as we had no in house doctors or nurses.

You clearly don’t understand medicine

Are you suggesting everyone was prescribed the same thing? Maybe all kept like zombies?

Without looking at individual med sheets, no I can’t tell you what people were prescribed. The home managers tried to get the doctors to minimise drugs such as sedatives by working closely with residents to stop incidents and escalations

I have no idea why you think I seem touchy about Midazolam.

I also have no idea what your highly ‘focused’ mind is doing and the case you are trying to make but in the words of Pink Floyd ‘the worms ate into his brain’.

“I choose the truth” is what you said above.

My problem is that people were murdered by the state and people who refuse to accept they were given, or stood by and accepted, protocols that enabled this will be complicit in crimes whether they are held to account or not

By the way, I’m very focused on Midazolam for obvious reasons if you just do a modicum of research so let’s not generalise. Were your staff administering this or not?

 

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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 05 Mar 22 11.46pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by W12

“I choose the truth” is what you said above.

My problem is that people were murdered by the state and people who refuse to accept they were given, or stood by and accepted, protocols that enabled this will be complicit in crimes whether they are held to account or not

By the way, I’m very focused on Midazolam for obvious reasons if you just do a modicum of research so let’s not generalise. Were your staff administering this or not?

Is it that you can’t read or are you simply hard of thinking? I don’t know what was prescribed. Please state clearly why you are asking.

Which people were murdered by which State, how and why?

Which drugs are you taking by the way?

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 06 Mar 22 6.36am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by W12

You sound mental - “he’s given figures”, would you like me to make some figures up too?

I would really like a reply on the Midazolam question though. Doubt he wants to commit a specific reply on that one.

Why is it your concern whether I’m anti vaccine or not by the way?

Well you seem anti vaccine with your posts.
Now you are, unless I read it wrong; accusing some people of being murderers. Which people ?
I would ask if you actually ever take or use medication.
If you do the you are a hypocrite as all of them have potential side effects and death is always a possibility. If you don't now you will need to when you are older; although with your stress levels you might not actually get there!

Edited by cryrst (06 Mar 2022 6.39am)

 

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View Forest Hillbilly's Profile Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 06 Mar 22 7.06am Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

This thread is in dire need of extensive use of medication. Whether prescribed or recreational, it definitely needs a shot-in-the-arm

 


"The facts have changed", Rishi Sunak

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View Forest Hillbilly's Profile Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 06 Mar 22 7.21am Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

We are already seeing an influx of visitors/people on holiday. From 'over the border', maskless, packed in groups, with children scattered nearby, blocking pavements, doorways, shopping aisles.

Social distancing, facemasks, handwash all abandoned in one go, leaving those more vulnerable having to try to swerve the ignorants.

I work in the food industry, as an example. I have worked at places as little as 4 months ago, where 1 worker testing positive for Covid was enough to close the whole factory for 2 months.
That was a wonderful Christmas for the workers.

Today, I would say the ethos is, "if you feel unwell, don't come in. And we don't want to know anything about any Covid test results, unless they're negative"

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (06 Mar 2022 7.23am)

 


"The facts have changed", Rishi Sunak

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Online Flag Truro Cornwall 06 Mar 22 11.59pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

We are already seeing an influx of visitors/people on holiday. From 'over the border', maskless, packed in groups, with children scattered nearby, blocking pavements, doorways, shopping aisles.

Social distancing, facemasks, handwash all abandoned in one go, leaving those more vulnerable having to try to swerve the ignorants.

I work in the food industry, as an example. I have worked at places as little as 4 months ago, where 1 worker testing positive for Covid was enough to close the whole factory for 2 months.
That was a wonderful Christmas for the workers.

Today, I would say the ethos is, "if you feel unwell, don't come in. And we don't want to know anything about any Covid test results, unless they're negative"

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (06 Mar 2022 7.23am)

The attitudes of some people beggars belief. My daughter tested positive for Covid this week. She does a few shifts in a local pub and tests before she works. She phoned her employer to advise them, and they said, "It's Ok you don't have to self-isolate any more, so if you feel OK come on in". She didn't!

 


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