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hedgehog50 Croydon 21 May 17 2.52pm
Originally posted by serial thriller Both party's manifestos have broken with the mainstream of their party. Labour's is their most progressive for decades, while the Tories is breakingits pact with pensioners and neoliberalism, something implicit in conservatism since Thatcher. The 'centre ground' of the past decade is now not represented in british politics. As for the inevitability, the lead has narrowed from 23 to 9 points. All bets are off for the next 3 weeks. Incredible.l The abuse of this word in current usage does make I larf. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

hedgehog50

Croydon 21 May 17 2.52pm

Originally posted by serial thriller

Both party's manifestos have broken with the mainstream of their party. Labour's is their most progressive for decades, while the Tories is breakingits pact with pensioners and neoliberalism, something implicit in conservatism since Thatcher. The 'centre ground' of the past decade is now not represented in british politics.

As for the inevitability, the lead has narrowed from 23 to 9 points. All bets are off for the next 3 weeks. Incredible.l

The abuse of this word in current usage does make I larf.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

serial thriller The Promised Land 21 May 17 4.26pm
Originally posted by matt_himself I disagree and think what we are seeing is the Tories facing up to the reality of an ageing population, a matter successive governments have failed to address, Corbyn looking to shore up his support in the party by issuing a 'radical' manifesto and Labours support moving back to its traditional core of 30%. The hubris of the first few weeks polls for May were just hubris and I stick to my prediction, made at the time of the calling of the GE, that the Tories majority would be a maximum 30 seats. The campaign will really get going from next week and if you think that is good for Corbyn, then you will be mistaken. Let's see. What i find incredible is how incompetent the tory top branch have been since the manifesto was announced. Johnson, Fallon and Green have all failed to answer or messed up answers about costing and care. Either they are in disagreement with may, like hammond, or their incompetence has been massively underestimated by everyone. They just look so, so weak. It's f*cking hilarous If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

serial thriller

The Promised Land 21 May 17 4.26pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

I disagree and think what we are seeing is the Tories facing up to the reality of an ageing population, a matter successive governments have failed to address, Corbyn looking to shore up his support in the party by issuing a 'radical' manifesto and Labours support moving back to its traditional core of 30%.

The hubris of the first few weeks polls for May were just hubris and I stick to my prediction, made at the time of the calling of the GE, that the Tories majority would be a maximum 30 seats.

The campaign will really get going from next week and if you think that is good for Corbyn, then you will be mistaken.

Let's see. What i find incredible is how incompetent the tory top branch have been since the manifesto was announced. Johnson, Fallon and Green have all failed to answer or messed up answers about costing and care. Either they are in disagreement with may, like hammond, or their incompetence has been massively underestimated by everyone.

They just look so, so weak. It's f*cking hilarous

If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

Hrolf The Ganger 21 May 17 5.25pm
Originally posted by serial thriller Both party's manifestos have broken with the mainstream of their party. Labour's is their most progressive for decades, while the Tories is breakingits pact with pensioners and neoliberalism, something implicit in conservatism since Thatcher. The 'centre ground' of the past decade is now not represented in british politics. As for the inevitability, the lead has narrowed from 23 to 9 points. All bets are off for the next 3 weeks. Incredible.l You guys. Ha ha.

Hrolf The Ganger

21 May 17 5.25pm

Originally posted by serial thriller

Both party's manifestos have broken with the mainstream of their party. Labour's is their most progressive for decades, while the Tories is breakingits pact with pensioners and neoliberalism, something implicit in conservatism since Thatcher. The 'centre ground' of the past decade is now not represented in british politics.

As for the inevitability, the lead has narrowed from 23 to 9 points. All bets are off for the next 3 weeks. Incredible.l

You guys. Ha ha.

matt_himself Matataland 21 May 17 5.42pm
Originally posted by serial thriller Let's see. What i find incredible is how incompetent the tory top branch have been since the manifesto was announced. Johnson, Fallon and Green have all failed to answer or messed up answers about costing and care. Either they are in disagreement with may, like hammond, or their incompetence has been massively underestimated by everyone. They just look so, so weak. It's f*cking hilarous Whereas Jezza has covered himself in glory this weekend with the whole IRA thing and McDonnell & Abbott look like elder statespeople you could depend your mortgage & pension on? Come off it. You know what is going to happen when people get to the point of voting. It doesn't mean that Hammond is an intellectual or economic giant but, in the eyes of the average voter, he is a safer pair of hands than McDonnell. And therein, lies the major challenge for labour. Edited by matt_himself (21 May 2017 5.43pm) "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

matt_himself

Matataland 21 May 17 5.42pm

Originally posted by serial thriller

They just look so, so weak. It's f*cking hilarous

Whereas Jezza has covered himself in glory this weekend with the whole IRA thing and McDonnell & Abbott look like elder statespeople you could depend your mortgage & pension on?

Come off it. You know what is going to happen when people get to the point of voting. It doesn't mean that Hammond is an intellectual or economic giant but, in the eyes of the average voter, he is a safer pair of hands than McDonnell.

And therein, lies the major challenge for labour.

Edited by matt_himself (21 May 2017 5.43pm)

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 21 May 17 8.01pm
[Link] Tory was actual IRA member. Where is the condemnation. Non on the hol. So it's alright for a Tory to have been in the IRA but not ok for someone in Labour to take an active part in brokering peace. Fair enough. Speaks volumes about the hypocrisy on here. [Tweet Link] What did Corbyn say wrong?

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 21 May 17 8.01pm

[Link]
Tory was actual IRA member. Where is the condemnation. Non on the hol. So it's alright for a Tory to have been in the IRA but not ok for someone in Labour to take an active part in brokering peace.

Fair enough. Speaks volumes about the hypocrisy on here.

[Tweet Link]

What did Corbyn say wrong?

Hrolf The Ganger 21 May 17 8.04pm
Originally posted by nickgusset [Link] Tory was actual IRA member. Where is the condemnation. Non on the hol. So it's alright for a Tory to have been in the IRA but not ok for someone in Labour to take an active part in brokering peace. Fair enough. Speaks volumes about the hypocrisy on here. [Tweet Link] What did Corbyn say wrong? You are responsible for most of it.

Hrolf The Ganger

21 May 17 8.04pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Fair enough. Speaks volumes about the hypocrisy on here.

[Tweet Link]

What did Corbyn say wrong?

You are responsible for most of it.

Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 21 May 17 8.10pm
Originally posted by nickgusset [Link] Tory was actual IRA member. Where is the condemnation. Non on the hol. So it's alright for a Tory to have been in the IRA but not ok for someone in Labour to take an active part in brokering peace. Fair enough. Speaks volumes about the hypocrisy on here. [Tweet Link] What did Corbyn say wrong? She should be condemned BUT to equate the two is nonsense. But like a lot of things you post you know that. the dignified don't even enter in the game

Y Ddraig Goch

In The Crowd 21 May 17 8.10pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Fair enough. Speaks volumes about the hypocrisy on here.

[Tweet Link]

What did Corbyn say wrong?

She should be condemned BUT to equate the two is nonsense. But like a lot of things you post you know that.

the dignified don't even enter in the game

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 21 May 17 8.18pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger You are responsible for most of it. Evade the point. Failed again. Getting dull now Hrolf.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 21 May 17 8.18pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

You are responsible for most of it.

Evade the point. Failed again. Getting dull now Hrolf.

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 21 May 17 8.19pm
Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch She should be condemned BUT to equate the two is nonsense. But like a lot of things you post you know that. Yes you are right. Corbyn was trying to broker peace. Why is he being got at... Edit. Just seen that Tory HQ have been tweeting outright lies about what Corbyn said today. [Link] Edited by nickgusset (21 May 2017 8.27pm)

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 21 May 17 8.19pm

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

She should be condemned BUT to equate the two is nonsense. But like a lot of things you post you know that.

Yes you are right. Corbyn was trying to broker peace. Why is he being got at...

Edit. Just seen that Tory HQ have been tweeting outright lies about what Corbyn said today.

[Link]

Edited by nickgusset (21 May 2017 8.27pm)

Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 21 May 17 8.40pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Yes you are right. Corbyn was trying to broker peace. Why is he being got at... Edit. Just seen that Tory HQ have been tweeting outright lies about what Corbyn said today. [Link] Edited by nickgusset (21 May 2017 8.27pm) Was he? So I keep being told. On who's behalf. Who was he talking to in the British government. Was that when standing on a platform saluting anyone who dies for the cause of a united Ireland? He was not trying to broker a peace deal. As for lies? Not sure either side can take the moral high ground on that. They're all resorting to lying name calling and behaving like children the dignified don't even enter in the game

Y Ddraig Goch

In The Crowd 21 May 17 8.40pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Yes you are right. Corbyn was trying to broker peace. Why is he being got at...

Edit. Just seen that Tory HQ have been tweeting outright lies about what Corbyn said today.

[Link]

Edited by nickgusset (21 May 2017 8.27pm)

Was he? So I keep being told. On who's behalf. Who was he talking to in the British government. Was that when standing on a platform saluting anyone who dies for the cause of a united Ireland? He was not trying to broker a peace deal.

As for lies? Not sure either side can take the moral high ground on that. They're all resorting to lying name calling and behaving like children

the dignified don't even enter in the game

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 21 May 17 8.45pm
Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch Was he? So I keep being told. On who's behalf. Who was he talking to in the British government. Was that when standing on a platform saluting anyone who dies for the cause of a united Ireland? He was not trying to broker a peace deal. As for lies? Not sure either side can take the moral high ground on that. They're all resorting to lying name calling and behaving like children Corbyn has lied? When? Same for McDonnell.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 21 May 17 8.45pm

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

As for lies? Not sure either side can take the moral high ground on that. They're all resorting to lying name calling and behaving like children

Corbyn has lied? When? Same for McDonnell.

Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 21 May 17 8.58pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Corbyn has lied? When? Same for McDonnell. So you dodge the Irish bit. Fair enough Then you use a collective term Tories but when I say everyone is as bad as each other you then use specifics. Anyway two links below to stories about labour activists. Like I said they're all as bad as one another. [Link] [Link] the dignified don't even enter in the game

Y Ddraig Goch

In The Crowd 21 May 17 8.58pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Corbyn has lied? When? Same for McDonnell.

So you dodge the Irish bit. Fair enough

Then you use a collective term Tories but when I say everyone is as bad as each other you then use specifics. Anyway two links below to stories about labour activists.

Like I said they're all as bad as one another.

[Link]

the dignified don't even enter in the game

Rudi Hedman Caterham 21 May 17 9.28pm
May will win by 6 lengths instead of 10. Still 1/10. COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 21 May 17 9.28pm

May will win by 6 lengths instead of 10.

Still 1/10.

COYP

Hrolf The Ganger 21 May 17 10.32pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Evade the point. Failed again. Getting dull now Hrolf. What is getting dull is your use of this site to campaign for the Labour Party. It's supposed to be for discussion, not party political propaganda.

Hrolf The Ganger

21 May 17 10.32pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Evade the point. Failed again. Getting dull now Hrolf.

What is getting dull is your use of this site to campaign for the Labour Party.
It's supposed to be for discussion, not party political propaganda.

Stirlingsays 22 May 17 7.07am
Originally posted by nickgusset Evade the point. Failed again. Getting dull now Hrolf. Nope he's right and I'm afraid you and others are fully deserving of criticism for defending Corbyn's stances and equivalencies on this issue. It shows exactly how a fair chunk of our far left regard our security services and precisely why no one sensible would ever allow them within a county mile of responsibility over them. There are plenty of British dead who would turn in their graves over Corbyn being PM. I remember those two British soldiers taken from their car at that funeral who the IRA murdered. When I transpose that with Corbyn's comments I just get angry. Corbyn can stuff his equivalencies where the sun don't shine....and he contributed bugger all to the peace process so any waffle indicating that he helped is the biggest load of hyperbolic drivel. He was a supplicant. Edited by Stirlingsays (22 May 2017 7.08am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

22 May 17 7.07am

Originally posted by nickgusset

Evade the point. Failed again. Getting dull now Hrolf.

Nope he's right and I'm afraid you and others are fully deserving of criticism for defending Corbyn's stances and equivalencies on this issue.

It shows exactly how a fair chunk of our far left regard our security services and precisely why no one sensible would ever allow them within a county mile of responsibility over them.

There are plenty of British dead who would turn in their graves over Corbyn being PM. I remember those two British soldiers taken from their car at that funeral who the IRA murdered. When I transpose that with Corbyn's comments I just get angry.

Corbyn can stuff his equivalencies where the sun don't shine....and he contributed bugger all to the peace process so any waffle indicating that he helped is the biggest load of hyperbolic drivel.

He was a supplicant.

Edited by Stirlingsays (22 May 2017 7.08am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays 22 May 17 7.10am
I don't know about a Tory with IRA connections but on the surface any Tory who supports Irish republicanism should be thrown out of the party. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

22 May 17 7.10am

I don't know about a Tory with IRA connections but on the surface any Tory who supports Irish republicanism should be thrown out of the party.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Rudi Hedman Caterham 22 May 17 9.11am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I don't know about a Tory with IRA connections but on the surface any Tory who supports Irish republicanism should be thrown out of the party. If they did they'd surely keep it quiet considering the Brighton Grand a Hotel bombing. COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 22 May 17 9.11am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I don't know about a Tory with IRA connections but on the surface any Tory who supports Irish republicanism should be thrown out of the party.

If they did they'd surely keep it quiet considering the Brighton Grand a Hotel bombing.

COYP

Stirlingsays 22 May 17 12.36pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman If they did they'd surely keep it quiet considering the Brighton Grand a Hotel bombing. Yep, most definitely. I should add that I don't consider the idea that someone might wish for a united Ireland as being an unacceptable belief. But what I do consider as unacceptable is the supporting of the IRA or violence as the conduit by which it is achieved. However the sad reality is that violence did achieve a huge amount for Irish republicanism. They were essentially bought of with the Danegeld that was power. The long game is theirs with demographic change. The 'no surrender' turned into 'surrender' but with warm words and creating equivalencies was one of the means of doing that. Edited by Stirlingsays (22 May 2017 12.38pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

22 May 17 12.36pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

If they did they'd surely keep it quiet considering the Brighton Grand a Hotel bombing.

Yep, most definitely.

I should add that I don't consider the idea that someone might wish for a united Ireland as being an unacceptable belief. But what I do consider as unacceptable is the supporting of the IRA or violence as the conduit by which it is achieved.

However the sad reality is that violence did achieve a huge amount for Irish republicanism. They were essentially bought of with the Danegeld that was power.

The long game is theirs with demographic change.

The 'no surrender' turned into 'surrender' but with warm words and creating equivalencies was one of the means of doing that.

Edited by Stirlingsays (22 May 2017 12.38pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 22 May 17 1.02pm
Tories trying their best to balls this up [Link] the dignified don't even enter in the game

Y Ddraig Goch

In The Crowd 22 May 17 1.02pm

Tories trying their best to balls this up

[Link]

the dignified don't even enter in the game

CambridgeEagle Sydenham 22 May 17 1.24pm
Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch Tories trying their best to balls this up [Link] Strong and stable U-turn.

CambridgeEagle

Sydenham 22 May 17 1.24pm

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

Tories trying their best to balls this up

[Link]

Strong and stable U-turn.

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