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Nice to know you're concentrating on what's important in politics
That deserved your biting satire, not my retort!
Who knows what's going on with him. It's an unusual way to act. Eyes darting about, mouth hanging open. Maybe someone should've shoved a bacon sandwich in when it was open and taken a quick snap. That way of course you'd have posted it saying how silly he looked, fair and balanced person that you are
I could just as easily posted up the video of Red Ed saying "Tuffy Nuss" rather than Tough Enough.
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Nice to know you're concentrating on what's important in politics
That deserved your biting satire, not my retort!
Who knows what's going on with him. It's an unusual way to act. Eyes darting about, mouth hanging open. Maybe someone should've shoved a bacon sandwich in when it was open and taken a quick snap. That way of course you'd have posted it saying how silly he looked, fair and balanced person that you are
I could just as easily posted up the video of Red Ed saying "Tuffy Nuss" rather than Tough Enough.
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Nice to know you're concentrating on what's important in politics
That deserved your biting satire, not my retort!
Who knows what's going on with him. It's an unusual way to act. Eyes darting about, mouth hanging open. Maybe someone should've shoved a bacon sandwich in when it was open and taken a quick snap. That way of course you'd have posted it saying how silly he looked, fair and balanced person that you are
I could just as easily posted up the video of Red Ed saying "Tuffy Nuss" rather than Tough Enough.
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 The Sash  Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 31 Mar 15 11.24am |
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Cutting taxes for the richest This is a cynical class war sound-bite trotted out incessantly by Labour since the top rate of tax was cut from 50p to 45p. In reality the share of tax paid by the top 1% of tax payers is projected to rise from 25% in 2010 to 27% this year, higher than in any one of Labour's 13 years in power. Furthermore the lower paid 50% of tax payers now pay a smaller portion of income tax than at any time under the previous government. But more VAT. Swings and roundabouts, give with one hand take with the other. and besides, what a nation need isn't 'money in the pocket', its the functional aparatus of state. Is it any wonder people talk of failing Britain, when successive governments have continued to reduce public services (admittedly slower under labour than the conservatives) in order to cut taxation. Public services are what binds a nation together, they are the fabric of interconnectivity that bring us togeather as a people and feed throughout our culture and identity. I don't blame the conservatives alone, labour are just as bad, they talk up the idea of nationhood, citizenship, duty and belonging to a great nation, but have essentially spent the last 25 years tearing that fabric apart in order to win elections. I wouldn't vote conservative, but I absolutely would never vote labour either. Democracy in the UK is a dead horse, and has been since Blair effectively finished turning the Labour party into a Conservative lite party. Ted Heath was more left wing than New Labour. A signficant part of the electorate aren't even represented due the the abuse of constitutional democracy creating a two horse race for almost every seat. Its not the fact its a two horse race but because many people just do not want to get off their big fat butts and go along and vote....AND you also find that the ones who shout out loudest about the government of the day being cr@p and useless are the ones who have not voted anyway......this time round you really do have only two choices and that is to vote Labour or conservatives as to let the SNP get in on a coalition is suicide, and again IF Labour do happen to get in its DOOM AND BUST all over again I am afraid so take your pick.....the choice is yours... I shout quite loud and I don't vote and its not because I don't want to get off my 'big fat butt' but the choices, I and everyone else are given are simply an illusion, an illusion that you actually have choice and a difference between what you are voting for. Two right of centre parties of very little difference or substance who are there purely to keep the status quo and maintain a political cycle and system, supported by partisans who have no balance to their politics. The biggest difference between Labour and Tory in modern Britain is the colour of tie they wear. Give me an option on a ballot paper that says 'none of the above' and Ill be there.
The best thing anyone can do is vote - if every single person who didn't vote actually went out and voted for someone different the system would change immediately. Literally overnight. As it stands, the two main parties don't actually want you to vote... It means the Tories can concentrate on their core votes, the pensioners and the rich and Labour can concentrate on the Unions. Well of course it wont change anything and I have no illusion that me sitting at home watching Eggheads whilst the nation goes to the polls will have a huge impact but I am bemused by those who think that by voting it will change anything frankly. Things will change by voting for 'someone different' ??? Who ?? The 'choice' is for two right of centre parties who will f*** you from different angles or fringe nutcases you wouldn't trust with scissors...until we have a progressive, modernist party with more than a fag papers width of difference from the others, one not stacked with the self serving or career politicians, one that's actually wholly representative and recognises the very system it works within is rotten, archaic and no longer fit for purpose we will continue the same old cycle, decade in / decade out. Why should anyone vote for something or someone who is wholly unrepresentative of their views or ideals ?? Voting in the current UK political landscape - It like choosing which STD you want. It happened on here last time and much to my amusement all those on the left, who couldn't bring themselves to vote for the utter farce that the last Lab gov had become went all Liberal purely to 'tactically' vote and keep the Tories out - how'd that work out for y'all...??? All those who voted actually gave us a draconian Tory public service cutting government, a bunch of lily livered, hugely unprincipled Liberals and a Labour Party led by Ed Milliband that as an opposition has been dreadful oh and the rise of UKIP - all that achieved by those of you who voted last time out for the little tit with nothing but the right colour rosette and a fistful of empty promises - thanks for that voting public. If you want real change you need a little box which says 'none of the above - f*ck off, go away and think again, we don't want you' - then you might see real change not this carousel of dicks who put party first, system second, self third and business fourth....and people somewhere in the far distance.
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Nice to know you're concentrating on what's important in politics
That deserved your biting satire, not my retort!
Who knows what's going on with him. It's an unusual way to act. Eyes darting about, mouth hanging open. Maybe someone should've shoved a bacon sandwich in when it was open and taken a quick snap. That way of course you'd have posted it saying how silly he looked, fair and balanced person that you are
I could just as easily posted up the video of Red Ed saying "Tuffy Nuss" rather than Tough Enough. You could, but none of these things have anything to do with one another, and not everyone fits into a dynamic where everything they do is designed to get one over on Labour or Tories.
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| EricYoung'sSweatBand 31 Mar 15 11.39am |
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Regardless of how people tactically voted last time the people who voted lib dem are not responsible for being betrayed by Clegg so don't put that on them. If all the people who didn't vote actually voted we could have had a different result - as it stands, everyone who didn't vote needs to shoulder their responsibility for the government we have as well. There was 65% turnout ffs - if those 35% of stay aways actually got off their collective arses then who knows what could have happened? No one has ever changed anything by doing sod all. Sitting there blaming other people for the political mess we have while not exercising your right to vote is mad. And don't kid yourself that it's any kind of protest because it isn't - politicians give less than zero f***s about your opinion if you don't vote. Like I said, Cameron and Milliband don't want you to vote so they can keep the status quo so go ahead and don't vote - it is your democratic right but don't pretend you're not a massive part of the problem because you are. Edited by EricYoung'sSweatBand (31 Mar 2015 11.40am)
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 31 Mar 15 11.40am |
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David Cameron 2005: erm Dave... Edited by nickgusset (31 Mar 2015 11.40am)
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| The Sash Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 31 Mar 15 11.47am |
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Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 31 Mar 2015 11.39am
Regardless of how people tactically voted last time the people who voted lib dem are not responsible for being betrayed by Clegg so don't put that on them. If all the people who didn't vote actually voted we could have had a different result - as it stands, everyone who didn't vote needs to shoulder their responsibility for the government we have as well. There was 65% turnout ffs - if those 35% of stay aways actually got off their collective arses then who knows what could have happened? No one has ever changed anything by doing sod all. Sitting there blaming other people for the political mess we have while not exercising your right to vote is mad. And don't kid yourself that it's any kind of protest because it isn't - politicians give less than zero f***s about your opinion if you don't vote. Like I said, Cameron and Milliband don't want you to vote so they can keep the status quo so go ahead and don't vote - it is your democratic right but don't pretend you're not a massive part of the problem because you are. Edited by EricYoung'sSweatBand (31 Mar 2015 11.40am) Your missing the point - you get a different result, no change...you may want to believe you do, that's up to you. Like I said I am under no illusion that they don't give a f*ck that I don't vote - you seem to have trouble getting your head around that as soon as you have put your little X on your little scrap of paper they don't give a f*ck about you either. Sorry you are wrong - those who vote are the problem, just because you cant see it doesn't not make it so. You continue to support the system and those who perpetuate it and those who benefit from it. Not those who don't engage with the smoke and mirrors bollocks we call voting which is based on bias, lies and ignorance which is perfectly demonstrated by any given political thread on here where the combatants have a clear political leaning. Like I said - give a true choice which allows proper abstaining - that gives a true protest vote against the whole rotten system - not this ridiculous spoil your ballot nonsense. That would be a real catalyst for change.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 31 Mar 15 11.51am |
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Regardless of how people tactically voted last time the people who voted lib dem are not responsible for being betrayed by Clegg so don't put that on them. If all the people who didn't vote actually voted we could have had a different result - as it stands, everyone who didn't vote needs to shoulder their responsibility for the government we have as well. There was 65% turnout ffs - if those 35% of stay aways actually got off their collective arses then who knows what could have happened? No one has ever changed anything by doing sod all. Sitting there blaming other people for the political mess we have while not exercising your right to vote is mad. And don't kid yourself that it's any kind of protest because it isn't - politicians give less than zero f***s about your opinion if you don't vote. Like I said, Cameron and Milliband don't want you to vote so they can keep the status quo so go ahead and don't vote - it is your democratic right but don't pretend you're not a massive part of the problem because you are. Edited by EricYoung'sSweatBand (31 Mar 2015 11.40am) Your missing the point - you get a different result, no change...you may want to believe you do, that's up to you. Like I said I am under no illusion that they don't give a f*ck that I don't vote - you seem to have trouble getting your head around that as soon as you have put your little X on your little scrap of paper they don't give a f*ck about you either. Sorry you are wrong - those who vote are the problem. You continue to support the system and those who perpetuate it and those who benefit from it. Not those who don't engage with the smoke and mirrors bollocks we call voting which is based on bias, lies and ignorance which is perfectly demonstrated by any given political thread on here where the combatants have a clear political leaning
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| EricYoung'sSweatBand 31 Mar 15 11.53am |
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Regardless of how people tactically voted last time the people who voted lib dem are not responsible for being betrayed by Clegg so don't put that on them. If all the people who didn't vote actually voted we could have had a different result - as it stands, everyone who didn't vote needs to shoulder their responsibility for the government we have as well. There was 65% turnout ffs - if those 35% of stay aways actually got off their collective arses then who knows what could have happened? No one has ever changed anything by doing sod all. Sitting there blaming other people for the political mess we have while not exercising your right to vote is mad. And don't kid yourself that it's any kind of protest because it isn't - politicians give less than zero f***s about your opinion if you don't vote. Like I said, Cameron and Milliband don't want you to vote so they can keep the status quo so go ahead and don't vote - it is your democratic right but don't pretend you're not a massive part of the problem because you are. Edited by EricYoung'sSweatBand (31 Mar 2015 11.40am) Your missing the point - you get a different result, no change...you may want to believe you do, that's up to you. Like I said I am under no illusion that they don't give a f*ck that I don't vote - you seem to have trouble getting your head around that as soon as you have put your little X on your little scrap of paper they don't give a f*ck about you either. Sorry you are wrong - those who vote are the problem. You continue to support the system and those who perpetuate it and those who benefit from it. Not those who don't engage with the smoke and mirrors bollocks we call voting which is based on bias, lies and ignorance which is perfectly demonstrated by any given political thread on here where the combatants have a clear political leaning
You give the main parties what they want and then blame everyone else for the result. Staggeringly ignorant.
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| The Sash Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 31 Mar 15 11.55am |
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Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 31 Mar 2015 11.39am
Regardless of how people tactically voted last time the people who voted lib dem are not responsible for being betrayed by Clegg so don't put that on them. If all the people who didn't vote actually voted we could have had a different result - as it stands, everyone who didn't vote needs to shoulder their responsibility for the government we have as well. There was 65% turnout ffs - if those 35% of stay aways actually got off their collective arses then who knows what could have happened? No one has ever changed anything by doing sod all. Sitting there blaming other people for the political mess we have while not exercising your right to vote is mad. And don't kid yourself that it's any kind of protest because it isn't - politicians give less than zero f***s about your opinion if you don't vote. Like I said, Cameron and Milliband don't want you to vote so they can keep the status quo so go ahead and don't vote - it is your democratic right but don't pretend you're not a massive part of the problem because you are. Edited by EricYoung'sSweatBand (31 Mar 2015 11.40am) Your missing the point - you get a different result, no change...you may want to believe you do, that's up to you. Like I said I am under no illusion that they don't give a f*ck that I don't vote - you seem to have trouble getting your head around that as soon as you have put your little X on your little scrap of paper they don't give a f*ck about you either. Sorry you are wrong - those who vote are the problem. You continue to support the system and those who perpetuate it and those who benefit from it. Not those who don't engage with the smoke and mirrors bollocks we call voting which is based on bias, lies and ignorance which is perfectly demonstrated by any given political thread on here where the combatants have a clear political leaning
Is he the fat homosexual astrology bloke ???
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| The Sash Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 31 Mar 15 11.58am |
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Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 31 Mar 2015 11.39am
Regardless of how people tactically voted last time the people who voted lib dem are not responsible for being betrayed by Clegg so don't put that on them. If all the people who didn't vote actually voted we could have had a different result - as it stands, everyone who didn't vote needs to shoulder their responsibility for the government we have as well. There was 65% turnout ffs - if those 35% of stay aways actually got off their collective arses then who knows what could have happened? No one has ever changed anything by doing sod all. Sitting there blaming other people for the political mess we have while not exercising your right to vote is mad. And don't kid yourself that it's any kind of protest because it isn't - politicians give less than zero f***s about your opinion if you don't vote. Like I said, Cameron and Milliband don't want you to vote so they can keep the status quo so go ahead and don't vote - it is your democratic right but don't pretend you're not a massive part of the problem because you are. Edited by EricYoung'sSweatBand (31 Mar 2015 11.40am) Your missing the point - you get a different result, no change...you may want to believe you do, that's up to you. Like I said I am under no illusion that they don't give a f*ck that I don't vote - you seem to have trouble getting your head around that as soon as you have put your little X on your little scrap of paper they don't give a f*ck about you either. Sorry you are wrong - those who vote are the problem. You continue to support the system and those who perpetuate it and those who benefit from it. Not those who don't engage with the smoke and mirrors bollocks we call voting which is based on bias, lies and ignorance which is perfectly demonstrated by any given political thread on here where the combatants have a clear political leaning
You give the main parties what they want and then blame everyone else for the result. Staggeringly ignorant.
You contribute to the system and blame those who don't vote for the same political circus you subscribe to because they see through it and you don't - that's staggeringly stupid
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