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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 13 Apr 15 10.32pm

Some food for thought.
(intended to be anti Tory rather than pro Labour)
1. Under Labour, there was a deficit of roughly £36 billion. None of our leaders on any side of electoral politics said it was a problem.
2. There was a worldwide banking and finance crisis.
3. The deficit shot up.
4. The Tories cooked up the idea that this high deficit was caused by Labour's deficit and not by the banking crisis. Not even Mervyn King ex boss of the Bank of England believes this.
5. The Tories cooked up the idea that the way to bring this high deficit down was to cut wages, cut welfare, cut public services.
6. When that didn't work, they've spent some more government money and printed £350 billion. That has hardly worked either.
7. The super-rich have got super-richer, the poor have got poorer, a lot of people in between have stood still or lost in real terms against prices. Some think that has been the real aim of deficit-talk and austerity.

Edited by nickgusset (13 Apr 2015 10.33pm)

 

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Quote nickgusset at 13 Apr 2015 10.32pm

Some food for thought.
(intended to be anti Tory rather than pro Labour)
1. Under Labour, there was a deficit of roughly £36 billion. None of our leaders on any side of electoral politics said it was a problem.
2. There was a worldwide banking and finance crisis.
3. The deficit shot up.
4. The Tories cooked up the idea that this high deficit was caused by Labour's deficit and not by the banking crisis. Not even Mervyn King ex boss of the Bank of England believes this.
5. The Tories cooked up the idea that the way to bring this high deficit down was to cut wages, cut welfare, cut public services.
6. When that didn't work, they've spent some more government money and printed £350 billion. That has hardly worked either.
7. The super-rich have got super-richer, the poor have got poorer, a lot of people in between have stood still or lost in real terms against prices. Some think that has been the real aim of deficit-talk and austerity.

Edited by nickgusset (13 Apr 2015 10.33pm)

Guardian reckoned that was a good thing.
[Link]

 


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Not screaming and terrified.
Like his passengers.

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 13 Apr 15 10.48pm

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Quote nickgusset at 13 Apr 2015 10.32pm

Some food for thought.
(intended to be anti Tory rather than pro Labour)
1. Under Labour, there was a deficit of roughly £36 billion. None of our leaders on any side of electoral politics said it was a problem.
2. There was a worldwide banking and finance crisis.
3. The deficit shot up.
4. The Tories cooked up the idea that this high deficit was caused by Labour's deficit and not by the banking crisis. Not even Mervyn King ex boss of the Bank of England believes this.
5. The Tories cooked up the idea that the way to bring this high deficit down was to cut wages, cut welfare, cut public services.
6. When that didn't work, they've spent some more government money and printed £350 billion. That has hardly worked either.
7. The super-rich have got super-richer, the poor have got poorer, a lot of people in between have stood still or lost in real terms against prices. Some think that has been the real aim of deficit-talk and austerity.

Edited by nickgusset (13 Apr 2015 10.33pm)

Guardian reckoned that was a good thing.
[Link]


Someone from the bank of england carries out a study of something the bank of england did and says it's great shocker.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 13 Apr 15 10.53pm


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The US economist Paul Krugman has attacked the UK economic performance in the New York Times


Coalition record on economy 'startlingly bad' says Nobel winning economist


COALITION Government leaders have been “posing” as the guardians of prosperity and have been getting away with it, according to a Nobel Prize-winning economist.

Writing in the New York Times, Paul Krugman said Britain’s performance since the financial crisis struck has been “startlingly bad”, with a tentative recovery that began in 2009 and stalled in 2010.

“Although growth resumed in 2013, real income per capita is only now reaching its level on the eve of the crisis, which means that Britain has had a much worse track record since 2007 than it had during the Great Depression,” he said.

“Yet as Britain prepares to go to the polls, the leaders of the coalition Government that has ruled the country since 2010 are posing as the guardians of prosperity, the people who really know how to run the economy. And they are, by and large, getting away with it.”

Krugman asked how a British government with such a poor economic record could campaign on its supposed economic achievements.

“Well, you could blame the weakness of the opposition, which has done an absolutely terrible job of making its case. You could blame the fecklessness of the news media, which has gotten much wrong,” wrote the 2008 Nobel winner.

“But the truth is that what’s happening in British politics is what almost always happens, there and everywhere else. Voters have fairly short memories, and they judge economic policy not by long-term results but by recent growth.

“Over five years, the coalition’s record looks terrible. But over the past couple of quarters it looks pretty good, and that’s what matters politically.”

Krugman said political science research debunked “almost all the horse-race narratives beloved by political pundits – never mind who wins the news cycle, or who appeals to the supposed concerns of independent voters”.

He added: “What mainly matters is income growth immediately before the election ... we’re talking about something less than a year, maybe less than half a year,” which suggested there was “little or no political reward for good policy”.

“A nation’s leaders may do an excellent job of economic stewardship for four or five years yet get booted out because of weakness in the last two quarters before the election.

“In fact, the evidence suggests that the politically smart thing might well be to impose a pointless depression on your country for much of your time in office, solely to leave room for a roaring recovery just before voters go to the polls.

“That’s a pretty good description of what the current British government has done, although it’s not clear it was deliberate.”

He said elections, which were supposed to hold politicians accountable, did not seem to do so when it came to economic policy.

And he said a possible solution would be to seek a “better-informed electorate”.

“One really striking thing about the British economic debate is the contrast between what passes for economic analysis in the news media, even in high-end newspapers and on elite-oriented TV shows, and the consensus of professional economists.

“News reports often portray recent growth as a vindication of austerity policies, but surveys of economists find only a small minority agreeing with that assertion.”

Krugman suggested those who studied economic policy and cared about real-world outcomes should “try to get it right, and explain our answers as clearly as we can”.

But he admitted the political impact would at best be marginal. “Bad things will happen to good ideas, and vice versa. So be it. Elections determine who has the power, not who has the truth.”

 

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Tom-the-eagle Flag Croydon 13 Apr 15 11.00pm

Quote nickgusset at 13 Apr 2015 10.48pm

Quote beagle at 13 Apr 2015 10.40pm

Quote nickgusset at 13 Apr 2015 10.32pm

Some food for thought.
(intended to be anti Tory rather than pro Labour)
1. Under Labour, there was a deficit of roughly £36 billion. None of our leaders on any side of electoral politics said it was a problem.
2. There was a worldwide banking and finance crisis.
3. The deficit shot up.
4. The Tories cooked up the idea that this high deficit was caused by Labour's deficit and not by the banking crisis. Not even Mervyn King ex boss of the Bank of England believes this.
5. The Tories cooked up the idea that the way to bring this high deficit down was to cut wages, cut welfare, cut public services.
6. When that didn't work, they've spent some more government money and printed £350 billion. That has hardly worked either.
7. The super-rich have got super-richer, the poor have got poorer, a lot of people in between have stood still or lost in real terms against prices. Some think that has been the real aim of deficit-talk and austerity.

Edited by nickgusset (13 Apr 2015 10.33pm)

Guardian reckoned that was a good thing.
[Link]


Someone from the bank of england carries out a study of something the bank of england did and says it's great shocker.


Are you kidding me? without Quantitative easing this country would be like Greece. In fact, it’s a bloody good job that we kept the pound. Had we gone over to the Euro as Labour wished then we could not have printed any money and our debt would be, as you say, another 350 billion bigger than it is today.


 


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Quote Tom-the-eagle at 13 Apr 2015 11.00pm

Quote nickgusset at 13 Apr 2015 10.48pm

Quote beagle at 13 Apr 2015 10.40pm

Quote nickgusset at 13 Apr 2015 10.32pm

Some food for thought.
(intended to be anti Tory rather than pro Labour)
1. Under Labour, there was a deficit of roughly £36 billion. None of our leaders on any side of electoral politics said it was a problem.
2. There was a worldwide banking and finance crisis.
3. The deficit shot up.
4. The Tories cooked up the idea that this high deficit was caused by Labour's deficit and not by the banking crisis. Not even Mervyn King ex boss of the Bank of England believes this.
5. The Tories cooked up the idea that the way to bring this high deficit down was to cut wages, cut welfare, cut public services.
6. When that didn't work, they've spent some more government money and printed £350 billion. That has hardly worked either.
7. The super-rich have got super-richer, the poor have got poorer, a lot of people in between have stood still or lost in real terms against prices. Some think that has been the real aim of deficit-talk and austerity.

Edited by nickgusset (13 Apr 2015 10.33pm)

Guardian reckoned that was a good thing.
[Link]


Someone from the bank of england carries out a study of something the bank of england did and says it's great shocker.


Are you kidding me? without Quantitative easing this country would be like Greece. In fact, it’s a bloody good job that we kept the pound. Had we gone over to the Euro as Labour wished then we could not have printed any money and our debt would be, as you say, another 350 billion bigger than it is today.



The UK would never in a million years have been like Greece; that is total bollocks. Greek debt is largely very short term and needs to be rolled over every few months. They have recently repaid 1.4bn euro debt, but borrowed another 2.1bn which will need to be repaid in 6 MONTHS... The average UK debt term is 13 YEARS.... a whole different ballgame.

And Labour didn't wish to go over to the Euro, that was the position of John Major's government when Norman Lamont was chancellor. Say what you like about Gordon Brown, but he put in place the 5 conditions that were required before joining the Euro, safe in the knowledge that the chances of all 5 happening were akin to winning the lottery twice.

Quantative easing is largely what the massively increased debt consists of. You're not an economist, are you?

 


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Quote nickgusset at 13 Apr 2015 8.24pm

Crisis? What crisis? An articulation by Nick Gusset.

Dr Mark Porter, chairman of the BMA has said that the crisis in A+E (passed you by that one did it?) is due to a wider crisis in the NHS.

The King’s Fund has found waiting times for tests and surgeries for non-emergency patients are at their worst level since December 2008.

Jeremy Hunt spent £1.4bn on NHS redundancies last year - then spent £3.9 billion filling the gaps with temporary agency staff.

Nick Levene, a specialist doctor in St Albans has told me that in his and his colleagues opinion, staff morale in the NHS is the worst he has ever known it in the 8 years he has been qualified.

My sister, when my dear old dad was in hospital last year, spent many lunchtimes helping to feed those on the ward that were to weak to feed themselves - the nurses were too overstretched to do it themselves!

Of course, certain posters will dismiss this.

More here... [Link]


What is the 'A & E crisis'? Please explain.

Are the delays in tests and non emergency surgeries contributing to wider health problems for patients or are they simply inconveniencing them?

Did Jeremy Hunt personally spend that on redundancies or was it the NHS Trusts that did this, if it is true, as there is no collaboration of your figure?

Is Nick Levene on of your leftie mates and therefore has an agenda?

I am sure whatever your sister told you is true but there could be many reasons why the old weren't eating - my girlfriend is in nursing and sometimes the old don't want to eat when told too by nurses.

I will dismiss your comments as they do not smack of 'crisis'. Crisis would be widespread deaths caused by underfunding, etc. what you have pointed out is a few small points of uncollaborated stuff.

 


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Quote nickgusset at 13 Apr 2015 10.48pm

Quote beagle at 13 Apr 2015 10.40pm

Quote nickgusset at 13 Apr 2015 10.32pm

Some food for thought.
(intended to be anti Tory rather than pro Labour)
1. Under Labour, there was a deficit of roughly £36 billion. None of our leaders on any side of electoral politics said it was a problem.
2. There was a worldwide banking and finance crisis.
3. The deficit shot up.
4. The Tories cooked up the idea that this high deficit was caused by Labour's deficit and not by the banking crisis. Not even Mervyn King ex boss of the Bank of England believes this.
5. The Tories cooked up the idea that the way to bring this high deficit down was to cut wages, cut welfare, cut public services.
6. When that didn't work, they've spent some more government money and printed £350 billion. That has hardly worked either.
7. The super-rich have got super-richer, the poor have got poorer, a lot of people in between have stood still or lost in real terms against prices. Some think that has been the real aim of deficit-talk and austerity.

Edited by nickgusset (13 Apr 2015 10.33pm)

Guardian reckoned that was a good thing.
[Link]


Someone from the bank of england carries out a study of something the bank of england did and says it's great shocker.

Someone who hates Tories posts stuff about evil Tories shocker.

 


When the time comes, I want die just like my Dad - at peace and asleep.
Not screaming and terrified.
Like his passengers.

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 14 Apr 15 7.36am

Quote beagle at 14 Apr 2015 7.28am

Quote nickgusset at 13 Apr 2015 10.48pm

Quote beagle at 13 Apr 2015 10.40pm

Quote nickgusset at 13 Apr 2015 10.32pm

Some food for thought.
(intended to be anti Tory rather than pro Labour)
1. Under Labour, there was a deficit of roughly £36 billion. None of our leaders on any side of electoral politics said it was a problem.
2. There was a worldwide banking and finance crisis.
3. The deficit shot up.
4. The Tories cooked up the idea that this high deficit was caused by Labour's deficit and not by the banking crisis. Not even Mervyn King ex boss of the Bank of England believes this.
5. The Tories cooked up the idea that the way to bring this high deficit down was to cut wages, cut welfare, cut public services.
6. When that didn't work, they've spent some more government money and printed £350 billion. That has hardly worked either.
7. The super-rich have got super-richer, the poor have got poorer, a lot of people in between have stood still or lost in real terms against prices. Some think that has been the real aim of deficit-talk and austerity.

Edited by nickgusset (13 Apr 2015 10.33pm)

Guardian reckoned that was a good thing.
[Link]


Someone from the bank of england carries out a study of something the bank of england did and says it's great shocker.

Someone who hates Tories posts stuff about evil Tories shocker.

You think they're evil?

 

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I've never known a duller election campaign or a worser time in british politics. None of the parties have anything positive to day on any of the main issues.

The tory idiots latest policy? Bring back the right to buy. Yes kids thats the same housing policy that stigmatised the council tennant, that poured petrol on the then already smouldering housing market, and that failed to plan or build for future generations.

They say this time that every house sold under RTB will be replaced on a "one for one basis". But how? When? By whom? And for how much????

Who writes this stuff?

Edited by Anerley-Fried-Eagle (14 Apr 2015 8.01am)

 


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Tom-the-eagle Flag Croydon 14 Apr 15 8.08am

Quote crystal balls at 14 Apr 2015 6.59am

Quote Tom-the-eagle at 13 Apr 2015 11.00pm

Quote nickgusset at 13 Apr 2015 10.48pm

Quote beagle at 13 Apr 2015 10.40pm

Quote nickgusset at 13 Apr 2015 10.32pm

Some food for thought.
(intended to be anti Tory rather than pro Labour)
1. Under Labour, there was a deficit of roughly £36 billion. None of our leaders on any side of electoral politics said it was a problem.
2. There was a worldwide banking and finance crisis.
3. The deficit shot up.
4. The Tories cooked up the idea that this high deficit was caused by Labour's deficit and not by the banking crisis. Not even Mervyn King ex boss of the Bank of England believes this.
5. The Tories cooked up the idea that the way to bring this high deficit down was to cut wages, cut welfare, cut public services.
6. When that didn't work, they've spent some more government money and printed £350 billion. That has hardly worked either.
7. The super-rich have got super-richer, the poor have got poorer, a lot of people in between have stood still or lost in real terms against prices. Some think that has been the real aim of deficit-talk and austerity.

Edited by nickgusset (13 Apr 2015 10.33pm)

Guardian reckoned that was a good thing.
[Link]


Someone from the bank of england carries out a study of something the bank of england did and says it's great shocker.


Are you kidding me? without Quantitative easing this country would be like Greece. In fact, it’s a bloody good job that we kept the pound. Had we gone over to the Euro as Labour wished then we could not have printed any money and our debt would be, as you say, another 350 billion bigger than it is today.



The UK would never in a million years have been like Greece; that is total bollocks. Greek debt is largely very short term and needs to be rolled over every few months. They have recently repaid 1.4bn euro debt, but borrowed another 2.1bn which will need to be repaid in 6 MONTHS... The average UK debt term is 13 YEARS.... a whole different ballgame.

And Labour didn't wish to go over to the Euro, that was the position of John Major's government when Norman Lamont was chancellor. Say what you like about Gordon Brown, but he put in place the 5 conditions that were required before joining the Euro, safe in the knowledge that the chances of all 5 happening were akin to winning the lottery twice.

Quantative easing is largely what the massively increased debt consists of. You're not an economist, are you?

So to answer Nicks point that he thought quantatitive easing did not work, do you agree with this or not?

 


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Hoof Hearted 14 Apr 15 9.58am

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Quote Pussay Patrol at 13 Apr 2015 5.35pm

What annoys me is the Scots + Welsh vote for a party which only look out for the interests of Scotland / Wales and everyone accepts it as normal but you do the same for English / UK i.e. UKIP who act in the same protectionist way for Britain and all of a sudden it's racist and we're little Englanders.

For example Scots have policies which include free elderly care and free prescriptions for Scots only and everyone accepts that as normal but when Farage talks about stopping Health tourism he's seen as a biggot.

I don't understand the notion of politicians running for parliament in a National vote who will be elected to make decisions which affect the UK as a whole but only have an agenda which benefits their region and will act to detriment of other regions (or in other words the mugs in England)

Can.t really argue with that.


You can't argue with it..... that is what the situation is!

 

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