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Quote Stuk at 24 Sep 2015 1.18pm

I see Wales have been doing some subtle rule-breaking and have got away with just a slap on the wrist.


To be fair, given how fragile we are at the moment, a slap could have resulted in another couple of players being injured.

It's good see a bit of English pessimism, there's a few guys at work feel uneasy too. Think it could be a real nail biter with little in it.

I think its really so tight this one - the big plus for England is no Halfpenny and no booming penalties raining in from the half way line (I think you could give him one in the car park and he'd land it), the big plus for Wales is Englands 10-12-13...not an ounce of flair in it...No real difference in the forwards this could be just a case of two teams grinding along for 80 plus...

Going to be nailbitingly tight and I have got to tape it, avoid the score and watch it when I get home...murder

 


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Quote Stuk at 24 Sep 2015 3.50pm

Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 24 Sep 2015 3.25pm

Quote Stuk at 24 Sep 2015 1.18pm

I see Wales have been doing some subtle rule-breaking and have got away with just a slap on the wrist.


To be fair, given how fragile we are at the moment, a slap could have resulted in another couple of players being injured.

It's good see a bit of English pessimism, there's a few guys at work feel uneasy too. Think it could be a real nail biter with little in it.

Me thinks that's why you had potential squad players involved in the training.

Gatland's "I had no idea" isn't washing with me either.


Maybe Warren cant count

 


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Quote MochMon at 23 Sep 2015 8.17pm

Singing in Victoria station.

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Its a wonder they were not wearing them ridiculous daffodil hats to go with them ghastly rugby tops paying homage to a foreign prince

Well you live and learn, I thought the Welsh National anthem was "Whats new pussycat."


 


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Quote The Sash at 24 Sep 2015 3.54pm

Going to be nailbitingly tight and I have got to tape it, avoid the score and watch it when I get home...murder

I suspect you are right. It will be utterly compelling viewing and likely some pretty turgid rugby, too. From a tactical perspective, it's going to be a game for the purists (it will necessary to understand and appreciate scrum-bosh-ruck-bosh to actually enjoy it). From the dramatic perspective it will be unbeatable, can't-take-your-eyes-off it-stuff.

Cole and Marler are absolutely key because the front row is Wales scrum weakness. Lydiate must be wetting himself in anticipation of England's midfield (although since the ball is likely to spend the entire match on the ground when England have possession and they're not kicking it away, you have to think Tips might have been more fit for the purpose.)

Too close to call but I still marginally fancy Wales.

Edited by sydtheeagle (24 Sep 2015 5.09pm)

 


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Quote The Sash at 24 Sep 2015 9.51am

The Farrell-Burgess-Barritt triumvirate better hope Jamie Roberts has one of those games where he witlessly and simply just runs straight at the opposition and tries to steamroller his way through rather than play with any guile - If Wales move the ball around in the 3/4 line I can see a few holes between 10-12-13 in that England defence.

...and it is true. That IS our midfield; team just named. I'm afraid the respect I've built up for Bomber over four years has pretty much evaporated overnight. Gatland must literally be laughing himself to sleep. "A few holes" may turn out to be the understatement of the century. I think I'm gonna watch the game at the Gardens on Saturday night. Quite a few of the players show up and I really would love to see Luther Burrell's face if and when it goes tits up.

Barritt seems to play nearly always as a defensive center and seems to do a lot of hard work that isn't noticed. Whereas Ford has played well in defence maybe Lancaster feels Burgess and Farrell are stronger in the tackle and a little more athletic than Ford. In this respect I feel that Burgess and Farrell are a better physical match for Wales - I just hope Burgess is smart enough in defence as well as being strong. I would like to see Burgess and Farrell run with the ball and hand off.
I wonder if England can handle the pressure? - if they can they should win. The media are being as helpful as ever with their comments on selection. I agree with Lancaster on the Farrell selection; I don't agree with comments about just because he is related to the coaching team.
Saracens have done really well in Europe, making the final of the Heineken Cup with Farrell as out-half. What more can a player do to prove his worth? Yes, he went through a flat period with England but I suspect that challenging for his place will have done him good. He has looked good when coming on as a replacement recently and deserves his place.
I do agree with Syd and Sash about Burrell - I would prefer him over Barritt and Burgess but what's done is done so will just have to put up with it; shame Tuilagi has been so stupid too.


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Quote ASCPFC at 25 Sep 2015 4.07pm

Barritt seems to play nearly always as a defensive center and seems to do a lot of hard work that isn't noticed.

He's a defensive organiser, and he's very good at it. The problem is, he offers absolutely nothing in attack. It's pretty pointless having two great wings, which we do, when you play a 10-12-13 who will never get the ball out that wide.

Quote ASCPFC at 25 Sep 2015 4.07pm

Whereas Ford has played well in defence maybe Lancaster feels Burgess and Farrell are stronger in the tackle and a little more athletic than Ford.

The problem isn't Ford or Farrell as much as the total change in tactics at the very last minute that the change represents. If you build your entire tactical plan through the warm-up games and first game based on, to use a metaphor, 4-4-2, then it reeks of panic and disorganisation if you suddenly, and for no apparent reason, switch to 3-5-2 for the second game, especially when imperfect as it was, the first game yielded a 5-point win. Bomber isn't so much changing out-halves as completely confusing his team. How are they supposed to have faith in a coach who doesn't know his own mind? How is Ford supposed to react? Farrell is stronger than Ford in the tackle, yes. He is not more athletic. Neither point on its own should be a basis for selection.

Quote ASCPFC at 25 Sep 2015 4.07pm

In this respect I feel that Burgess and Farrell are a better physical match for Wales - I just hope Burgess is smart enough in defence as well as being strong. I would like to see Burgess and Farrell run with the ball and hand off.

First, young Henry Slade may be our best centre of all. He is exactly the player needed at 13 to cover JJ. If Bomber isn't going to use him in the role he was selected for (and instead completely change tactics) then why is Slade in the squad? It makes the selection look incompetent (which, indeed, it was.) As for Burgess, nail...head. Is he strong? Yes. Is he smart? No. Not in rugby union terms. He has no instincts. He's not even playing the position he plays for his club (in his short union career). It's madness. Yes, he can run with the ball but not in a way that will have Wales quaking in their boots, although that's not to say that he can't be effective getting over the gain line.

Quote ASCPFC at 25 Sep 2015 4.07pm

I wonder if England can handle the pressure? - if they can they should win. The media are being as helpful as ever with their comments on selection.

The media are absolutely right. Most of the commentators have a far deeper knowledge of the game than their football equivalents. I have yet to find a serious rugby expert who thinks Bomber's selection is sensible. And as for pressure, well, if you completely abandon your tactical approach the week before a big game and ask players to play a style they have not trained for months for, that's where the pressure comes from. When the coach panics, the players do the same.

Quote ASCPFC at 25 Sep 2015 4.07pm

I agree with Lancaster on the Farrell selection; I don't agree with comments about just because he is related to the coaching team.

Those comments are slightly tongue in cheek. It's an awful selection though, as noted, for tactical continuity rather than individual reasons. Also, bosh (which is now our tactic...stuff it up the jumper rugby) is NOT the way to beat Wales. We already know that from past experience.

Quote ASCPFC at 25 Sep 2015 4.07pm

Saracens have done really well in Europe, making the final of the Heineken Cup with Farrell as out-half. What more can a player do to prove his worth?

We (Northampton) have done really well in Europe, making the final of the Heineken Cup too. Much as I love him, I really wouldn't want to see Steven Myler at 10 tomorrow, even though he's done everything possible to prove his worth. I'm not saying Farrell isn't an international level 10. But he's not the right man for the job tomorrow, something Bomber has already implicitly acknowledged by building his entire team around Ford (until the start of this week.)

Quote ASCPFC at 25 Sep 2015 4.07pm

Yes, he went through a flat period with England but I suspect that challenging for his place will have done him good. He has looked good when coming on as a replacement recently and deserves his place.

Coming on for 20 minutes against tired opponents is a very different proposition than starting. Farrell is arguably much better suited to the former role, when bosh rather than nous can evade tired opposition legs.

Quote ASCPFC at 25 Sep 2015 4.07pm

I do agree with Syd and Sash about Burrell - I would prefer him over Barritt and Burgess but what's done is done so will just have to put up with it; shame Tuilagi has been so stupid too.

Edited by ASCPFC (25 Sep 2015 4.08pm)

Tuilagi stupid? Well he does play for them up the road (Leicester)...so what do you expect? LOL

The bottom line is that Bomber, I say it again, has bottled it. Faced with a must-win game after a slightly iffy performance, rather than sticking to his beliefs and principles and his game plan, he's gone totally conservative, parked the bus, and taken creativity out of the side to replace it with bosh. Could England win? Of course they could, particularly in light of Wales' injuries. Either way, it will be a very, very close game. But they have thrown away their advantage and gone from clear favourites to, at best, narrow ones.

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I'm not feeling very confident but all you can ask for, as a Wales supporter, is for the replacements who have come in for Wales to do their best. Our front 3 worries me a lot.

 


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Quote johnno42000 at 25 Sep 2015 8.49pm

I'm not feeling very confident but all you can ask for, as a Wales supporter, is for the replacements who have come in for Wales to do their best. Our front 3 worries me a lot.

Agreed, Also don't get Samsung on the bench "because he won't last the distance." He's your best option and he's either fit or he's not. If he is, start him. Fortunately for you, the English front row is missing its best player (Hartley) and both our props are well out of form. The rest of the scrum, you're ahead. Still think Tips and the BreadMan would have been a better combo than Lydiate. God, how we need a fetcher. It really is a damn near impossible game to predict. Could go either way. Gats is a better coach than Bomber so if I have to stick my neck out, I'd stiil take Wales to shade it.

 


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Quote sydtheeagle at 25 Sep 2015 10.34pm

Quote johnno42000 at 25 Sep 2015 8.49pm

I'm not feeling very confident but all you can ask for, as a Wales supporter, is for the replacements who have come in for Wales to do their best. Our front 3 worries me a lot.

Agreed, Also don't get Samsung on the bench "because he won't last the distance." He's your best option and he's either fit or he's not. If he is, start him. Fortunately for you, the English front row is missing its best player (Hartley) and both our props are well out of form. The rest of the scrum, you're ahead. Still think Tips and the BreadMan would have been a better combo than Lydiate. God, how we need a fetcher. It really is a damn near impossible game to predict. Could go either way. Gats is a better coach than Bomber so if I have to stick my neck out, I'd stiil take Wales to shade it.

I'd go for England to win by 7 so I reckon we should both lump on the draw.

I just hope that neither teams fans or players cite the referee as the reason why they lost (if the draw doesn't happen ). I'm happy enough to promise not to do this.

 


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Quote sydtheeagle at 25 Sep 2015 10.34pm

Quote johnno42000 at 25 Sep 2015 8.49pm

I'm not feeling very confident but all you can ask for, as a Wales supporter, is for the replacements who have come in for Wales to do their best. Our front 3 worries me a lot.

Agreed, Also don't get Samsung on the bench "because he won't last the distance." He's your best option and he's either fit or he's not. If he is, start him. Fortunately for you, the English front row is missing its best player (Hartley) and both our props are well out of form. The rest of the scrum, you're ahead. Still think Tips and the BreadMan would have been a better combo than Lydiate. God, how we need a fetcher. It really is a damn near impossible game to predict. Could go either way. Gats is a better coach than Bomber so if I have to stick my neck out, I'd stiil take Wales to shade it.


On 5live tonight they suggested that actually Tipuric & Lydiate would have been the better combination. Essentially Tipuric paid the price for Warburton being the captain.

 


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Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 25 Sep 2015 10.48pm

On 5live tonight they suggested that actually Tipuric & Lydiate would have been the better combination. Essentially Tipuric paid the price for Warburton being the captain.

Agree with both points. I suggested Tips and Bread simply because they are never going to drop their captain. But Tips and Lydiate would be the perfect combo...can you imagine the work they'd get through on the floor? And as with Farrell, Burgess and Barrit in midfield the ball is going to be on the ground the entire time...

Robs***e and Wood are going to have to play out of their skins tomorrow.

 


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Hoof Hearted 26 Sep 15 9.27am

Why can't you lot just enjoy the thrill of the match when it happens instead of endlessly criticising the selections and worrying about who will win.

The coaches have selected the players now based on their best calculations of what is right having seen them play and train and knowing each player's state of health/fitness.... what makes any of you think you know better?

Besides which - you've done it to death lads!

 

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