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sickboy Flag Deal or Croydon 01 Nov 19 2.04pm

It wont be the same deal on the table if Boris gets a sizeable majority.
Couldn't he just get the surrender act revoked, put no deal back on the table and renegotiate with the eu from a position of strength.

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 01 Nov 19 2.12pm

Originally posted by sickboy

It wont be the same deal on the table if Boris gets a sizeable majority.
Couldn't he just get the surrender act revoked, put no deal back on the table and renegotiate with the eu from a position of strength.

Is this even possible due to a) law, b) parliamentary procedure, c) the EU?

 


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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 01 Nov 19 2.13pm

Originally posted by sickboy

It wont be the same deal on the table if Boris gets a sizeable majority.
Couldn't he just get the surrender act revoked, put no deal back on the table and renegotiate with the eu from a position of strength.

He has hung his colours to the mast apropos the deal and he just wants to "Get Brexit done" so no chance of that scenario coming to pass.

 

sickboy Flag Deal or Croydon 01 Nov 19 2.29pm

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Is this even possible due to a) law, b) parliamentary procedure, c) the EU?

Of course it is. Acts of parliament get repealed.

 

Deleted11 01 Nov 19 2.31pm

Originally posted by W12

If you see China and the US as interchangable and equivalent then that may make some sense. Why do you think Hong Kong protestors were waving the American flag? The problem we have is that the ideals of the West that created both the richest, most free and most culturally rich heretige have been undermined by liberalism (which is ironically a by-product of that success). It's at the heart of Brexit, Trump and the culture wars currently raging across all across the western nations.

So, are you making an argument for authoritarianism? I know you're not.
Call it liberalism or whatever you want, I think it's human nature that when you get to have the wealth most western countries have that your views lean more to having things like a social safety net (ie NHS, Free childcare, etc). Do 'common' people take advantage of it? Yes, but I haven't seen a recession where the welfare spend destroyed the economy yet. What I have seen is regulations being cut on the financial sector that have caused immense recessions and surprisingly no one goes jail, funny that.

I wouldn't describe myself as left or right really, I just want things to be discussed in a proper way, analysed and then implemented with strict monitoring of the effects of any policy as well as the environmental factors that policy was implemented in. The best example is austerity. Do we 'the people' need to live within our means? I'd say to a certain extent yes, but the people are not a country that can print its own money. If I'm saving £100 a month while I'm earning £20k a year, I'm not going to start saving £400 a month, because I'll be miserable, what I may do though is look for a better paid job and potentially educate myself a bit more to have a better chance of that. Our Government can print it's way out of trouble, to certain extent.

I've gone a bit too long here, but my point is that I see the benefits in autocratic countries as well as in (and I use this word very lightly) democracies.


 

Stirlingsays Flag 01 Nov 19 2.47pm

Originally posted by W12

Labour started mass immigration and "multiculturalism" which is now destablalising the entire country.

Labour paid for this by putting us into huge amounts of national debt.

Labour helped start a war in the middle east that spread islamic extremism across the globe.

Of course you could just replace Labour with Blair but he was aided and abbetted by numerous other Fabians.

It's no accident that they use the symbol of a wolf in sheeps clothing.


Edited by W12 (01 Nov 2019 10.16am)

Yep, few do hypocrisy like the Labour party.

The Tories are also hypocrites of course but it's Labour who pretend to hold a kind of moral high ground over them.

Plenty were slagging him off for years in Labour but I remember Blair receiving standing ovations at his last party conference speech and at his last commons speech as PM.

Edited by Stirlingsays (01 Nov 2019 2.49pm)

 


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W12 01 Nov 19 2.51pm

Originally posted by Jway89

So, are you making an argument for authoritarianism? I know you're not.
Call it liberalism or whatever you want, I think it's human nature that when you get to have the wealth most western countries have that your views lean more to having things like a social safety net (ie NHS, Free childcare, etc). Do 'common' people take advantage of it? Yes, but I haven't seen a recession where the welfare spend destroyed the economy yet. What I have seen is regulations being cut on the financial sector that have caused immense recessions and surprisingly no one goes jail, funny that.

I wouldn't describe myself as left or right really, I just want things to be discussed in a proper way, analysed and then implemented with strict monitoring of the effects of any policy as well as the environmental factors that policy was implemented in. The best example is austerity. Do we 'the people' need to live within our means? I'd say to a certain extent yes, but the people are not a country that can print its own money. If I'm saving £100 a month while I'm earning £20k a year, I'm not going to start saving £400 a month, because I'll be miserable, what I may do though is look for a better paid job and potentially educate myself a bit more to have a better chance of that. Our Government can print it's way out of trouble, to certain extent.

I've gone a bit too long here, but my point is that I see the benefits in autocratic countries as well as in (and I use this word very lightly) democracies.


Liberalism as currently defined in the west is the very opposite of freedom

 

Deleted11 01 Nov 19 2.54pm

Ok, but what does freedom mean then?
Is this individual freedom, corporate freedom?

I'm not sure what point you're making here, sorry.

 

Stirlingsays Flag 01 Nov 19 2.55pm

Lots of Holers saying that they aren't left or right.

Mmmm...Me thinks the 'individualists' doth protest too much!

Perhaps if they took the political compass test we could all actually discover the political positioning.

[Link]

 


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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 01 Nov 19 2.58pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Lots of Holers saying that they aren't left or right.

Mmmm...Me thinks the 'individualists' doth protest too much!

Perhaps if they took the political compass test we could all actually discover the political positioning.

[Link]

Sorry I couldn't get past the first page I didn't like the tone of the questions. Who's behind this website?

 


One more point

sickboy Flag Deal or Croydon 01 Nov 19 3.01pm

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Is this even possible due to a) law, b) parliamentary procedure, c) the EU?

Also why should we care what the eu thinks.
We are leaving and the idea is to get the best deal possible for us.
Unless you are labour or the lib dems.....

 

Deleted11 01 Nov 19 3.02pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Lots of Holers saying that they aren't left or right.

Mmmm...Me thinks the 'individualists' doth protest too much!

Perhaps if they took the political compass test we could all actually discover the political positioning.

[Link]

I won't presume, but, I have definitely said this and it's true. What 'I' mean by this statement is I'm not ardent L/R. I've voted Labour and Conservative in the past and the affect it has had on my life has summed up to me always being worse off, whether it's Uni fees or VAT increases.

I actually did take a similar test and it said I was a UKIP voter Which I'm not.

 

Midlands Eagle Flag 01 Nov 19 3.05pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Lots of Holers saying that they aren't left or right.

Mmmm...Me thinks the 'individualists' doth protest too much!

I think that too many people make assumptions on others' political leanings based on their Brexit stance which isn't always relevant

 

Stirlingsays Flag 01 Nov 19 3.23pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Sorry I couldn't get past the first page I didn't like the tone of the questions. Who's behind this website?

There's an FAQ

[Link]

From what I know the creators of the site hasn't been revealed other than being a collection of political journalists and a social history professor.

 


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W12 01 Nov 19 3.23pm

Originally posted by Jway89

Ok, but what does freedom mean then?
Is this individual freedom, corporate freedom?

I'm not sure what point you're making here, sorry.

Freedom to speak your mind, freedom to decide where you spend your money, freedom to be able top protect your family, freedom to love your culture, country, history and flag.

 

Stirlingsays Flag 01 Nov 19 3.24pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

I think that too many people make assumptions on others' political leanings based on their Brexit stance which isn't always relevant

Sure, but I was reacting to this, 'I'm not left or right' with what....I consider to be an interesting observation.

It's certainly true that when it comes to brexit that it has supporters for and against on both political ends.

Edited by Stirlingsays (01 Nov 2019 3.26pm)

 


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Deleted11 01 Nov 19 3.41pm

Originally posted by W12

Freedom to speak your mind, freedom to decide where you spend your money, freedom to be able top protect your family, freedom to love your culture, country, history and flag.

Look, I agree that it's getting too far, I do. I do agree that i you have a British flag hanging out of your window, you are an instant racist or fascist. I personally don't have such a strong view or inclination towards a flag but that's me. However, I do believe a lot of young people just don't get that it wasn't long ago that the Nazis could have beaten us. Churchill, was also viewed in the day as a Farage/Boris type buffoon, but when it comes to fighting a war, we are all British and that is the era I think a of of us grew up in.

I just don't see how there's any laws that stop everything you've said from happening though. You can do whatever you want, but, you also have to have some self awareness of the people or place you say stuff in.

As for money. I have no idea who's controlling our money, apart from the banks.

What I will say is that you may look at this country's history with different tainted glasses to others, that's all.

 

Deleted11 01 Nov 19 3.42pm

Sorry, my keyboard is playing up a bit

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 01 Nov 19 3.43pm

Originally posted by DanH

If Farage follows through with his threat to stand a Brexit MP in every seat he could hilariously defeat both Remain and Leave. Scenes.

Some of us are longing for the day when you finally grow up.

 

Stirlingsays Flag 01 Nov 19 3.54pm

Originally posted by Jway89

I won't presume, but, I have definitely said this and it's true. What 'I' mean by this statement is I'm not ardent L/R. I've voted Labour and Conservative in the past and the affect it has had on my life has summed up to me always being worse off, whether it's Uni fees or VAT increases.

I actually did take a similar test and it said I was a UKIP voter Which I'm not.


Yeah yeah....you infiltrator!

 


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