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Spiderman Horsham 11 Apr 21 8.50am
Originally posted by robdave2k Nice to see Roy accepting his part as usual “I don't think what cost us the game the team was something that we as the management and coaching staff had requested from the players” It didn’t actually appear that anything had been asked of the players and he sent them out with that formation (again). Failed to change it with any kind of speed when it clearly wasn’t working (again). I can just imagine the Chelsea dossier on us. Formation 4-4-2 Width - none Slow starters. Aim to score early as they will sit off. Roy and his “system” are looking more and more like a cassette in a digital age. Stevie Wonder can see Ayew and Eze the way they are isn’t the answer and granted Ward may not be the most forward thinking right back but I’d take him over the prancing pony PVA on the other side. We’ve got full blown England Roy now. Looking old, confused and completely unable to accept that he may be part of the problem. He isn’t the whole problem by any means but for a world class “tactician” he doesn’t half come across as General Melchett in Blackadder - “Precisely, because we’ve used that the last 17 times it exactly the last thing they will be expecting” It is quite obvious teams know exactly how we are going to set up and play, unfortunately Roy doesn’t seem to be able/want to play any differently. So I can’t honestly see how he can stay on. Yes Chelsea will always be a class above us but at least give their manager something to think about. What really got to me yesterday was at 3-0 game was well and truly over, why not give Mateta or Saki a run out. What more can Mateta do to get a start? Giving Saki game time would show the youngsters that we really are serious about bringing them through

Spiderman

Horsham 11 Apr 21 8.50am

Originally posted by robdave2k

Nice to see Roy accepting his part as usual

“I don't think what cost us the game the team was something that we as the management and coaching staff had requested from the players”

It didn’t actually appear that anything had been asked of the players and he sent them out with that formation (again). Failed to change it with any kind of speed when it clearly wasn’t working (again).

I can just imagine the Chelsea dossier on us.

Formation 4-4-2
Width - none
Slow starters. Aim to score early as they will sit off.

Roy and his “system” are looking more and more like a cassette in a digital age. Stevie Wonder can see Ayew and Eze the way they are isn’t the answer and granted Ward may not be the most forward thinking right back but I’d take him over the prancing pony PVA on the other side.

We’ve got full blown England Roy now. Looking old, confused and completely unable to accept that he may be part of the problem. He isn’t the whole problem by any means but for a world class “tactician” he doesn’t half come across as General Melchett in Blackadder -

“Precisely, because we’ve used that the last 17 times it exactly the last thing they will be expecting”

It is quite obvious teams know exactly how we are going to set up and play, unfortunately Roy doesn’t seem to be able/want to play any differently. So I can’t honestly see how he can stay on. Yes Chelsea will always be a class above us but at least give their manager something to think about.
What really got to me yesterday was at 3-0 game was well and truly over, why not give Mateta or Saki a run out. What more can Mateta do to get a start? Giving Saki game time would show the youngsters that we really are serious about bringing them through

deleted9 11 Apr 21 9.01am
What saddens me the most is that I was really buoyed after the final 30 minutes of the Everton match whereby Roy changed the formation and we looked a real threat taking the game to Everton. Eze played in the middle and was on the ball more, Schluppy was making direct runs etc etc. There was no evidence of this however and the lack of on-field ambition with this management is infuriating. Im sure the players would have been rolling their eyes when they heard about the 4-4-2 formation being used again as opposed to something more daring. Yes, there’s a chance it could backfire and leave us exposed but footballers will want to be part of a team playing exciting football I’m sure.

deleted9

11 Apr 21 9.01am

What saddens me the most is that I was really buoyed after the final 30 minutes of the Everton match whereby Roy changed the formation and we looked a real threat taking the game to Everton. Eze played in the middle and was on the ball more, Schluppy was making direct runs etc etc.

There was no evidence of this however and the lack of on-field ambition with this management is infuriating.

Im sure the players would have been rolling their eyes when they heard about the 4-4-2 formation being used again as opposed to something more daring. Yes, there’s a chance it could backfire and leave us exposed but footballers will want to be part of a team playing exciting football I’m sure.

Midlands Eagle 11 Apr 21 9.07am
Originally posted by Spiderman What really got to me yesterday was at 3-0 game was well and truly over, why not give Mateta or Saki a run out. What more can Mateta do to get a start? Giving Saki game time would show the youngsters that we really are serious about bringing them through I don't often disagree with you but I think that I do this time. Giving an inexperienced youngster like Saki game time against a team playing like Chelsea were yesterday could well give him nightmares for weeks to come. By all means give him some game time but perhaps the forthcoming match against Sheffield United might be more appropriate

Midlands Eagle

11 Apr 21 9.07am

Originally posted by Spiderman

What really got to me yesterday was at 3-0 game was well and truly over, why not give Mateta or Saki a run out. What more can Mateta do to get a start? Giving Saki game time would show the youngsters that we really are serious about bringing them through

I don't often disagree with you but I think that I do this time. Giving an inexperienced youngster like Saki game time against a team playing like Chelsea were yesterday could well give him nightmares for weeks to come.

By all means give him some game time but perhaps the forthcoming match against Sheffield United might be more appropriate

slubglurge welling 11 Apr 21 9.13am
We need two new CBs for next season. Dann Sakho and Cahill are done at this level. Tomkins is our best CB by some distance but is very injury prone. I'd rather see Kouyate back in midfield alongside a young player with lots of energy, Gallagher would be good and a new left back, Mitchell still has a lot to learn and isnt at the level yet.

slubglurge

welling 11 Apr 21 9.13am

We need two new CBs for next season. Dann Sakho and Cahill are done at this level. Tomkins is our best CB by some distance but is very injury prone. I'd rather see Kouyate back in midfield alongside a young player with lots of energy, Gallagher would be good and a new left back, Mitchell still has a lot to learn and isnt at the level yet.

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 11 Apr 21 9.21am
Originally posted by slubglurge We need two new CBs for next season. Dann Sakho and Cahill are done at this level. Tomkins is our best CB by some distance but is very injury prone. I'd rather see Kouyate back in midfield alongside a young player with lots of energy, Gallagher would be good and a new left back, Mitchell still has a lot to learn and isnt at the level yet. I am on your 'Wavelength' apropos the need for replenishments in central defence. I agree with your assessment of the players you highlighted. Lack of pace and mobility and beaten in the air far too often at corners and set-pieces. Edited by Willo (11 Apr 2021 9.23am)

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 11 Apr 21 9.21am

Originally posted by slubglurge

I am on your 'Wavelength' apropos the need for replenishments in central defence.
I agree with your assessment of the players you highlighted.
Lack of pace and mobility and beaten in the air far too often at corners and set-pieces.

Edited by Willo (11 Apr 2021 9.23am)

DenTyler Sidcup 11 Apr 21 9.35am
I’ve read all the posts about the game yesterday and follow the threads on this forum with great interest as a fan. My point is just that, I’m a fan. Always have been and always will be. Saw my first live game way back in 79. I’ve seen the good the bad and the ugly. Right now for the first time in my life I am struggling to watch us. I can take losing. I know we are unlikely to be a top 4 team and more likely to be in or around a relegation battle. I understand all the flaws of being a Palace supporter, but the last couple of season are just so so boring. It’s Iceland England again and again. I watched Roy’s interview on MOTD and he was so negative. If he is like this it will of course rub off on the players. They look as bored as we do. There is no freedom, no chance to express themselves. That might be ok if we were rock solid at the back and hard to breakdown, but we are not. The way we play is making us look so slow and cumbersome. On the rare occasions when we have had spells of having a go at teams we have shown that the players do have the capacity to do it. Yesterday we had 1 fast attack, ball played in quick and we scored a great goal. Why then do we continue to play players out of position. Ayew is not a winger, Zaha not a striker etc. I would like to see just for my sanity... Guaita Ward Cahill kelly Mitchell McArthur /Luka Kouyate Zaha Eze schlupp Tekkers I can’t possibly be any worse. Just my view. I’m not sure how much longer I can take this current set up, I certainly won’t be going back even if restrictions are lifted, it takes me hours to get to the home games and I just can’t be arsed and I never thought I’d say that.

DenTyler

Sidcup 11 Apr 21 9.35am

I’ve read all the posts about the game yesterday and follow the threads on this forum with great interest as a fan.

My point is just that, I’m a fan. Always have been and always will be. Saw my first live game way back in 79.

I’ve seen the good the bad and the ugly. Right now for the first time in my life I am struggling to watch us. I can take losing. I know we are unlikely to be a top 4 team and more likely to be in or around a relegation battle. I understand all the flaws of being a Palace supporter, but the last couple of season are just so so boring.
It’s Iceland England again and again. I watched Roy’s interview on MOTD and he was so negative. If he is like this it will of course rub off on the players. They look as bored as we do. There is no freedom, no chance to express themselves. That might be ok if we were rock solid at the back and hard to breakdown, but we are not. The way we play is making us look so slow and cumbersome.
On the rare occasions when we have had spells of having a go at teams we have shown that the players do have the capacity to do it.

Yesterday we had 1 fast attack, ball played in quick and we scored a great goal. Why then do we continue to play players out of position. Ayew is not a winger, Zaha not a striker etc.

I would like to see just for my sanity...

Guaita

Ward Cahill kelly Mitchell

McArthur /Luka Kouyate

Zaha Eze schlupp

Tekkers

I can’t possibly be any worse.

Just my view. I’m not sure how much longer I can take this current set up, I certainly won’t be going back even if restrictions are lifted, it takes me hours to get to the home games and I just can’t be arsed and I never thought I’d say that.

Kintak11 Vauxhall, London 11 Apr 21 9.37am
Agreed. ‘Start as you mean to go on’ isn’t a bad plan to follow in life....on on the pitch! Match after match our players arrive fresh from the dressing room bereft of energy, enthusiasm and passion. The opposing teams nearly always ‘want it more’. So we concede early, retreat ever deeper and clearly have no plan B. Roy may or may not have lost the dressing room, but his failure to bring on youth, show strategic flexibility snd inspire a will to win are no longer tolerable to those of us who remain ambitious for the future of the Eagles.

Kintak11

Vauxhall, London 11 Apr 21 9.37am

Agreed.

‘Start as you mean to go on’ isn’t a bad plan to follow in life....on on the pitch!

Match after match our players arrive fresh from the dressing room bereft of energy, enthusiasm and passion. The opposing teams nearly always ‘want it more’. So we concede early, retreat ever deeper and clearly have no plan B.

Roy may or may not have lost the dressing room, but his failure to bring on youth, show strategic flexibility snd inspire a will to win are no longer tolerable to those of us who remain ambitious for the future of the Eagles.

southnorwoodhill 11 Apr 21 9.40am
Originally posted by slubglurge We need two new CBs for next season. Dann Sakho and Cahill are done at this level. Tomkins is our best CB by some distance but is very injury prone. I'd rather see Kouyate back in midfield alongside a young player with lots of energy, Gallagher would be good and a new left back, Mitchell still has a lot to learn and isnt at the level yet. I've said all season Cahill is past it yet he seems to be one of Roy's faves. At least Cahill was honest to say he wasn't up to speed at the beginning of the season, but really, being not up to speed isn't good enough at this level is it? Kouyate is neither a decent CB or midfielder. Two new Cb's should be made an absolute priority for next season. Edited by southnorwoodhill (11 Apr 2021 9.48am)

southnorwoodhill

11 Apr 21 9.40am

Originally posted by slubglurge

I've said all season Cahill is past it yet he seems to be one of Roy's faves. At least Cahill was honest to say he wasn't up to speed at the beginning of the season, but really, being not up to speed isn't good enough at this level is it? Kouyate is neither a decent CB or midfielder.
Two new Cb's should be made an absolute priority for next season.

Edited by southnorwoodhill (11 Apr 2021 9.48am)

slubglurge welling 11 Apr 21 9.53am
Originally posted by southnorwoodhill I've said all season Cahill is past it yet he seems to be one of Roy's faves. At least Cahill was honest to say he wasn't up to speed at the beginning of the season, but really, being not up to speed isn't good enough at this level is it? Kouyate is neither a decent CB or midfielder. Two new Cb's should be made an absolute priority for next season. Edited by southnorwoodhill (11 Apr 2021 9.48am) If we cant afford two which is highly probable get one younger more mobile aerial dominating one to play alongside Kelly or Tomkins and get rid of the others who dont even get off the ground these days

slubglurge

welling 11 Apr 21 9.53am

Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

Edited by southnorwoodhill (11 Apr 2021 9.48am)

If we cant afford two which is highly probable get one younger more mobile aerial dominating one to play alongside Kelly or Tomkins and get rid of the others who dont even get off the ground these days

southnorwoodhill 11 Apr 21 9.57am
Originally posted by slubglurge If we cant afford two which is highly probable get one younger more mobile aerial dominating one to play alongside Kelly or Tomkins and get rid of the others who dont even get off the ground these days I would hope that the new manager will know where to look.

southnorwoodhill

11 Apr 21 9.57am

Originally posted by slubglurge

I would hope that the new manager will know where to look.

Aray South London 11 Apr 21 9.58am
Originally posted by DenTyler I’ve read all the posts about the game yesterday and follow the threads on this forum with great interest as a fan. My point is just that, I’m a fan. Always have been and always will be. Saw my first live game way back in 79. I’ve seen the good the bad and the ugly. Right now for the first time in my life I am struggling to watch us. I can take losing. I know we are unlikely to be a top 4 team and more likely to be in or around a relegation battle. I understand all the flaws of being a Palace supporter, but the last couple of season are just so so boring. It’s Iceland England again and again. I watched Roy’s interview on MOTD and he was so negative. If he is like this it will of course rub off on the players. They look as bored as we do. There is no freedom, no chance to express themselves. That might be ok if we were rock solid at the back and hard to breakdown, but we are not. The way we play is making us look so slow and cumbersome. On the rare occasions when we have had spells of having a go at teams we have shown that the players do have the capacity to do it. Yesterday we had 1 fast attack, ball played in quick and we scored a great goal. Why then do we continue to play players out of position. Ayew is not a winger, Zaha not a striker etc. I would like to see just for my sanity... Guaita Ward Cahill kelly Mitchell McArthur /Luka Kouyate Zaha Eze schlupp Tekkers I can’t possibly be any worse. Just my view. I’m not sure how much longer I can take this current set up, I certainly won’t be going back even if restrictions are lifted, it takes me hours to get to the home games and I just can’t be arsed and I never thought I’d say that. Den- you see it almost exactly how I do. Why is 4-4-2 our default formation? The way we now play is how completely neutered our expensive striker. We have one of the league’s best wingers and he plays on the effing left or as an ineffective striker. We have a great looking young No. 10 who is shackled to the left of midfield. And good call on Kelly, what has he done wrong?

Aray

South London 11 Apr 21 9.58am

Originally posted by DenTyler

I’ve read all the posts about the game yesterday and follow the threads on this forum with great interest as a fan.

My point is just that, I’m a fan. Always have been and always will be. Saw my first live game way back in 79.

Yesterday we had 1 fast attack, ball played in quick and we scored a great goal. Why then do we continue to play players out of position. Ayew is not a winger, Zaha not a striker etc.

I would like to see just for my sanity...

Guaita

Ward Cahill kelly Mitchell

McArthur /Luka Kouyate

Zaha Eze schlupp

Tekkers

I can’t possibly be any worse.

Den- you see it almost exactly how I do. Why is 4-4-2 our default formation? The way we now play is how completely neutered our expensive striker. We have one of the league’s best wingers and he plays on the effing left or as an ineffective striker. We have a great looking young No. 10 who is shackled to the left of midfield. And good call on Kelly, what has he done wrong?

PZ Eagle Penzance 11 Apr 21 9.59am
Well Steve Parish needn't waste time and money searching for a new manager. He needs to look no further than this forum to find a Manager as so many think they could do a better job. Conjunctivitis.com - A site for sore eyes.

PZ Eagle

Penzance 11 Apr 21 9.59am

Well Steve Parish needn't waste time and money searching for a new manager. He needs to look no further than this forum to find a Manager as so many think they could do a better job.

Conjunctivitis.com - A site for sore eyes.

55 years a fan 11 Apr 21 10.15am
Originally posted by PZ Eagle Well Steve Parish needn't waste time and money searching for a new manager. He needs to look no further than this forum to find a Manager as so many think they could do a better job. So so true Edited by 55 years a fan (11 Apr 2021 10.15am)

55 years a fan

11 Apr 21 10.15am

Originally posted by PZ Eagle

Well Steve Parish needn't waste time and money searching for a new manager. He needs to look no further than this forum to find a Manager as so many think they could do a better job.

So so true

Edited by 55 years a fan (11 Apr 2021 10.15am)

Booted Eagle Bristol 11 Apr 21 10.31am
Originally posted by steven_t92 Get a grip! Do you think 1 shot on target is purely down to the quality of Chelsea? They got beat 5 2 by West brom last week, the fact fans are happy to accept performances like this sums it all up!!!! They won 0-2 away against Porto in the Champs League on Weds. Completely blew us away in the 1st half with their quality, particularly their high speed passing. We would of had to go more defensive if that was possible if we wished to contain them at best 0-0 at half time. “ [T]here are known knowns; there are things we know that we know.There are known unknowns; that is to say there are things that, we now know we don't know.But there are also unknown unknowns – there are things we do not know we don't know. ” —United States Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld

Booted Eagle

Bristol 11 Apr 21 10.31am

Originally posted by steven_t92

Get a grip! Do you think 1 shot on target is purely down to the quality of Chelsea? They got beat 5 2 by West brom last week, the fact fans are happy to accept performances like this sums it all up!!!!

They won 0-2 away against Porto in the Champs League on Weds. Completely blew us away in the 1st half with their quality, particularly their high speed passing. We would of had to go more defensive if that was possible if we wished to contain them at best 0-0 at half time.

“ [T]here are known knowns; there are things we know that we know.There are known unknowns; that is to say there are things that, we now know we don't know.But there are also unknown unknowns – there are things we do not know we don't know. ”
—United States Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld

Eaglehamster Storrington 11 Apr 21 10.31am
"Lol benteke is better than both of them. He scored with one chance today. Can’t ask much more of him. Of all the problems right now, CB isn’t one of the bigger ones." Yes a really productive player over the years and a right bargain too at only £5.5 million pa. I have now sufficient funds to last me the rest of my life. Provided I don't buy anything.

Eaglehamster

Storrington 11 Apr 21 10.31am

"Lol benteke is better than both of them. He scored with one chance today. Can’t ask much more of him.

Of all the problems right now, CB isn’t one of the bigger ones."

Yes a really productive player over the years and a right bargain too at only £5.5 million pa.

I have now sufficient funds to last me the rest of my life. Provided I don't buy anything.

Booted Eagle Bristol 11 Apr 21 10.41am
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle I don't often disagree with you but I think that I do this time. Giving an inexperienced youngster like Saki game time against a team playing like Chelsea were yesterday could well give him nightmares for weeks to come. By all means give him some game time but perhaps the forthcoming match against Sheffield United might be more appropriate Good point but I don't really see this happening under Roy. Two seasons ago at this time of the season Roy was commenting on the need to secure table places for financial gain. Last season we were tumbling badly. Neither seasons did we see new players given a go. “ [T]here are known knowns; there are things we know that we know.There are known unknowns; that is to say there are things that, we now know we don't know.But there are also unknown unknowns – there are things we do not know we don't know. ” —United States Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld

Booted Eagle

Bristol 11 Apr 21 10.41am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

By all means give him some game time but perhaps the forthcoming match against Sheffield United might be more appropriate

Good point but I don't really see this happening under Roy. Two seasons ago at this time of the season Roy was commenting on the need to secure table places for financial gain. Last season we were tumbling badly. Neither seasons did we see new players given a go.

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 11 Apr 21 10.43am
Originally posted by Booted Eagle They won 0-2 away against Porto in the Champs League on Weds. Completely blew us away in the 1st half with their quality, particularly their high speed passing. We would of had to go more defensive if that was possible if we wished to contain them at best 0-0 at half time. We know only too well that they have quality in their ranks and are a far better team. What does not help is to have THREE players ball-watching as Havertz drifts in behind them then gets off a shot for the opening goal under NO challenge at all with 3 players in his vicinity not one of which got in a block or a tackle. Edited by Willo (11 Apr 2021 10.45am)

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 11 Apr 21 10.43am

Originally posted by Booted Eagle

We know only too well that they have quality in their ranks and are a far better team.

What does not help is to have THREE players ball-watching as Havertz drifts in behind them then gets off a shot for the opening goal under NO challenge at all with 3 players in his vicinity not one of which got in a block or a tackle.

Edited by Willo (11 Apr 2021 10.45am)

NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 11 Apr 21 10.44am
In a game between the ' haves ' and the ' have nots ', the outcome wasn't a surprise. The last time we beat Chelsea at home was 4.5 years ago. From the starting line ups that day, we had 6 playing for us yesterday, they had 1, Azpilicueta. Whatever the debate about formation selected, the team contributed to their own downfall. The first goal, Eze stupidly giving the ball away around his own penalty area, compounded by Cahill standing off Havertz for which we were duly punished. After that Chelsea's quality and high energy were just too much. All of our well known deficiencies were exposed. I actually thought they looked better than Liverpool did when we lost 0-7 to them in December. Anyway, a good day for the Roy Haters. Old, Ungifted and White

NEILLO

Shoreham-by-Sea 11 Apr 21 10.44am

In a game between the ' haves ' and the ' have nots ', the outcome wasn't a surprise.

The last time we beat Chelsea at home was 4.5 years ago. From the starting line ups that day, we had 6 playing for us yesterday, they had 1, Azpilicueta.

Whatever the debate about formation selected, the team contributed to their own downfall. The first goal, Eze stupidly giving the ball away around his own penalty area, compounded by Cahill standing off Havertz for which we were duly punished.

After that Chelsea's quality and high energy were just too much. All of our well known deficiencies were exposed. I actually thought they looked better than Liverpool did when we lost 0-7 to them in December.

Anyway, a good day for the Roy Haters.

Old, Ungifted and White

Palace 1979 Surrey 11 Apr 21 11.08am
We were simply outclassed by a better side on the day. Not many teams would have lived with Chelsea in the first half, they were brilliant. I personally think Roy has done great job during his tenure. Not had much to spend and yet has kept us in the league the longest of any manager, including hero's such as Coppell. I do find the games a tough watch sometimes, but also accept that we need to play to the strength of the team as a whole. We tried to change previously bringing in RDB and that showed the risks of trying to change the team ethos. I do think this will be Roy's last season and feel now will be the right time to bow out. For all the Roy haters on here they will be happy, but it will come as no surprise that we go for a similar approach with the next manager, and would expect the club to go for Dysche, a ready made replacement.I just can't see the club trying to change the set up too drastically and he is bound to be their first logical choice. Some people are like Slinkies … not really good for anything, but you can’t help smiling when you see one tumble down the stairs.

Palace 1979

Surrey 11 Apr 21 11.08am

We were simply outclassed by a better side on the day. Not many teams would have lived with Chelsea in the first half, they were brilliant.

I personally think Roy has done great job during his tenure. Not had much to spend and yet has kept us in the league the longest of any manager, including hero's such as Coppell.

I do find the games a tough watch sometimes, but also accept that we need to play to the strength of the team as a whole. We tried to change previously bringing in RDB and that showed the risks of trying to change the team ethos.

I do think this will be Roy's last season and feel now will be the right time to bow out.

For all the Roy haters on here they will be happy, but it will come as no surprise that we go for a similar approach with the next manager, and would expect the club to go for Dysche, a ready made replacement.I just can't see the club trying to change the set up too drastically and he is bound to be their first logical choice.

Some people are like Slinkies … not really good for anything, but you can’t help smiling when you see one tumble down the stairs.

Spiderman Horsham 11 Apr 21 11.18am
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle I don't often disagree with you but I think that I do this time. Giving an inexperienced youngster like Saki game time against a team playing like Chelsea were yesterday could well give him nightmares for weeks to come. By all means give him some game time but perhaps the forthcoming match against Sheffield United might be more appropriate If he wants to progress with a career at Palace, having nightmares is something he will have to get used to We should have tried keeping the ball on the ground as CB was getting very little from Zouma, ie bring on Mateta

Spiderman

Horsham 11 Apr 21 11.18am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

By all means give him some game time but perhaps the forthcoming match against Sheffield United might be more appropriate

If he wants to progress with a career at Palace, having nightmares is something he will have to get used to
We should have tried keeping the ball on the ground as CB was getting very little from Zouma, ie bring on Mateta

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