The big difference, for me, is that Patrick Vieira needs to go out and purchase a large quantity of players (presumably of his choosing). FDB has to make do with the players that Fat Sam had purchased which weren't the correct ones for his system.

It's a risk, probably more of a risk than Lucien Favre but with the right assistant and player purchases it's no more of a risk than most of the alternatives out there.

It's 106 miles to Chicago, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark... and we're wearing sunglasses.

Patrick Vieira will be a breath of fresh air at Palace.

I wished him well on the New Manager thread just before becky (quite rightly) locked it. But reading some of the posts on here just wanted to add my two penneth.

Syd's post pretty much sums up my thoughts too, and, since his appointment was confirmed I've tried to uncover something about PV's style of play, tactics and his footballing philosophy.

It would seem he likes to play an attacking game whilst maintaining a strong defence. He will adapt tactics and formations to meet different teams, and he's not afraid to change things during the game if it's not going well. Also, as far as I've been able to glean, he'll make effective substitutions.

I was a supporter of Roy, especially towards the end of his contract, because it seemed pointless calling for his head when he had achieved his objective of keeping us up. However, I became frustrated by his rigid tactical approach to games regardless of the opposition and his late and often, seemingly, inappropriate substitutions.

Vieira will be the polar opposite which is why I think his management style will feel like a revelation. And a breath of fresh air.

Dad and I watched games standing on the muddy slope of the Holmesdale Road end. He cheered and I rattled.

Was wondering who the first person to mention this would be.

To the club, and majority of players and supporters the ethnicity of the manager makes no difference.

BAME is an offensive term and I'm sure some woke supporters may wrongly wear this as some kind of token badge of honour.... which is also patronising and offensive.

But its good for people from different backgrounds to see that managerial roles and just reserved for white people with average ability that are part of the right circles in the English football establishment.

On another note, an exciting an pleasing appointment. It's very, very hard for a manager to get a crack at a Premier League job. Clubs demand "premier league experienced" which tends to lead to the same group average/poor managers getting the top jobs time after time despite frequently failing.

It won't take a genius to keep us up, and it would take a terrible manager to take us down. We were extremely unfortunate with FdB and chances are lighting won't strike twice. PV had an opportunity to build a real career for himself in football. The worst likely scenario is that things don't work out, we sack him at Christmas and buy our way to safety. The best possible scenario is that we've unearthed a real up and coming manager. Most likely is that we do a bit better than last season in the league, but start to assemble a squad where we are build for the future rather than just treading water.

13th and above with over 45 points would be an acceptable season. Above 11th and over 50 points would be fantastic.

I thought that the opposite was true and it was just the dinosaurs that demanded Premier League experience

Yes not dissimilar to our very own peanut head NC.

Agree whole heartedly with your first three paragraphs.

I would today take 17th, I hope we're not in a relegation scrap but suspect we maybe.

I have never really understood why serial failures like McClaren get employed time and again in big jobs. I can only assume that owners consider experience a top priority, seems less so for managers who get clubs promoted such as Nuno and Howe.

Let's see and hope for the best

Edited by HKOwen (05 Jul 2021 12.28pm)

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

Let's see what actually emerges in terms of backing

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

There's a great documentary called impossible job on BBC iplayer about the England Managers of the past.

So many were absolutely f***ing useless.

McClaren says something on it like "I thought I was the stand out candidate for the England job as I was the only English manager with international experience".

You can imagine him explaining this to the clueless idiots in the FA and talking himself into the job.

Being around for a long time doesn't mean anything. It's what you achieve in that time which counts.

He sounds like a pompous egotistical bell end with no self awareness.

On the other hand Keegan freely admitted he wasn't good enough.

Well I don't think it would have been the club's preference to appoint a new manager in July a day before pre-season training.But of course I could be wrong. We have had the luxury of a settled squad and a steady manager for four years.The club has known that Roy was going and the players were out of contract at the end of June.
We will now have a new managenent and coaching team and potentially four or five nqew players settling in plus the existing players dealing with new coaching methods.
Essentially a bunch of strangers being asked to be Premier League ready in a few weeks.
I don't see this as being negative but realistic.
We are where we are so I welcome
the new manager and hope he settles in quickly. (quote=spartakev2;3642373]

He's at sea.

Red and Blue Army!