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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 12 Nov 14 6.10pm

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A far-right activist has dismissed claims by Ukip campaigners that they posed for a photo with her "by mistake" in Rochester and Strood.

Jayda Fransen, who will contest the constituency's forthcoming by-election as a candidate for Britain First, also said her party is in regular contact with the Ukip team, and they share "almost identical" policies.

Fransen told IBTimes UK: "Actually we often speak with their [Ukip's] campaign team.

"The people in the picture were speaking with us about politics and knew who we were, so [the claim by Ukip that they posed under false pretenses] is wrong."

Fransen also repeated her support for Ukip's Rochester candidate Mark Reckless, claiming she wants him to win the by-election, even though they are rival candidates.

She said: "We fully support Mark Reckless because he is on the right side of politics and we [Britain First] are on the same page together. We are encouraging people to vote Ukip.

"Ukip policies are almost identical to ours; they are the only party which is speaking on issues like immigration and religion. We know Ukip has to play the political game by distancing themselves from us and we understand that entirely."

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 12 Nov 14 6.14pm

Quote sydtheeagle at 12 Nov 2014 6.03pm

Quote matt_himself at 12 Nov 2014 5.28pm

Interesting. Firstly, there are many misunderstandings in the above and seeing as how neither Chomsky, Friedman or Hayek could agree on the term, I find it rather interesting that you think you can define it.

Secondly, which blog did that come from?

The term, surely, is irrelevant? It's just a word and words can have meaning ascribed to them by context. They're not absolute. More to the point, since neither Chomsky, Friedman or Hayek's support is critical to any definition of the word, who cares what they could or couldn't agree with? The Austrian/Chicago School of Economic thought is in any case now largely discredited.

I see few misunderstanding in Nick's post, so I'd like to know where you think they are. Always the last refuge of a scoundrel to criticise someone, but to fail to point out the specific errors you're accusing them of making. Is Nick wrong only because you said so? This renders your post little more than fluffy vitriol.

History, upon even a cursory examination, supports Nick's contention that corporations first appeared as organisations in the late 19th century to oversee large scale public projects. If governments can be said not have worked together OPENLY to ensure wealth transference upwards, they have certainly done so implicitly. How else do you account for the current, unbalanced, society we live in...the product of successive governments? Do you think working people are willingly disenfranchising themselves?

Easy credit became the norm because it was an easy way for banks to make (more) money. In fact, there came a point when it was the only way. Once you have no more rich people to lend to, you cash in on the poor ones at prohibitive interest rates. It's the only option. The trouble is that the risk managers got their sums wrong about what the poor borrowers could afford. (The fact that these people became indebted and thus trapped was of neither concern nor interest to anyone in the structured products community of the Financial Services industry. At least until the excrement hit the ventilation extractor.)

Deregulation of markets really amounted to little more than letting the poachers run the game estate. Or to use another metaphor, do you expect good behaviour if you give the lunatics the keys to the asylum? What do you think an institution that is designed to generate profit is going to do when it is deregulated. Take sensible risks? Settle for marginal returns?

The real problem in all this is Stalin. And no, I'm not joking. History always holds the real answers (another point implicitly made by Nick's post). The discrediting of communism (rightly -- but with it -- and wrongly -- went the credibility of more or less every colour of left wing ideology) delivered two decades of unfettered right-wing dominance that delivered a world hallmarked, ultimately, by a divided society and economic collapse. That these regimes still have apologists beggars belief. The rebirth of Keynesian perspectives attests somewhat to this.

You appear to be long on rhetoric and very short on detail.

Edited by sydtheeagle (12 Nov 2014 6.03pm)

What makes a mockery of the whole financial fiasco is the trillions that was used to bail out the financial sector, yet the neoliberal press help the government spread the lie that we are suffering austerity because of the fault of the poor and immigration. UKIP are no different.

 

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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 12 Nov 14 6.18pm Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

Don't forget the Public Sector, nick. Public Enemy No.1 according to the right-wing press and the right on Hol three years ago.

Ironic and somewhat ungracious that it was public money that bailed out the private financial fvck-ups yet the blame buck was passed on to the former by the powers that be and their acolytes.

Quite amazing we haven't had a full on revolution in this country for centuries what with all the sh1te the people have had to put up with from their betters.

Edited by Kermit8 (12 Nov 2014 6.20pm)

 


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sydtheeagle Flag England 12 Nov 14 8.51pm Send a Private Message to sydtheeagle Add sydtheeagle as a friend

Quote nickgusset at 12 Nov 2014 6.14pm

What makes a mockery of the whole financial fiasco is the trillions that was used to bail out the financial sector, yet the neoliberal press help the government spread the lie that we are suffering austerity because of the fault of the poor and immigration. UKIP are no different.

If you recall, prior the current economic crash, in 1999/2000 we had the comms sector crash when Marconi, MCI Worldcom and others went under...very similar cause and effect; incompetent corporate leadership and a total lack of adequate governance. Then, we had Enron too. The right (in the form of both major parties here and in America) learned nothing from any of these events, the better to turn a blind eye to the inadequacies or outright dishonesty of their cronies/supporters/funders (all three being the same). Until there is a sweeping shift to the left, it seems self-evident that history is doomed to repeat itself, increasingly as farce. But this seems not to trouble the voters of middle England.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 12 Nov 14 9.06pm

Quote sydtheeagle at 12 Nov 2014 8.51pm

Quote nickgusset at 12 Nov 2014 6.14pm

What makes a mockery of the whole financial fiasco is the trillions that was used to bail out the financial sector, yet the neoliberal press help the government spread the lie that we are suffering austerity because of the fault of the poor and immigration. UKIP are no different.

If you recall, prior the current economic crash, in 1999/2000 we had the comms sector crash when Marconi, MCI Worldcom and others went under...very similar cause and effect; incompetent corporate leadership and a total lack of adequate governance. Then, we had Enron too. The right (in the form of both major parties here and in America) learned nothing from any of these events, the better to turn a blind eye to the inadequacies or outright dishonesty of their cronies/supporters/funders (all three being the same). Until there is a sweeping shift to the left, it seems self-evident that history is doomed to repeat itself, increasingly as farce. But this seems not to trouble the voters of middle England.


Which is why I think the fact that Russell Brand being high in the best sellers can only be a good thing. He's pointing out many of these incompetences. That's why he's being slated from all sides, it's upsetting those that are cosy the way things are.

 

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matt_himself Flag Matataland 12 Nov 14 9.45pm Send a Private Message to matt_himself Add matt_himself as a friend

Quote Kermit8 at 12 Nov 2014 5.42pm

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ukip supporters don't read articles to understand they read merely in order to reply. LOUDLY.

The thing I find amazing is that if this was such a scoop, why the mainstream press is not all over it at the moment?

It appears that only the Guardian is reporting it.

Why could that be?


You gotta admit - the video is pretty damning.

He is not to be trusted, it appears. Not by a long chalk.


That's your opinion. Enjoy the self satisfied buzz that comes with projecting it onto a message board.


Be careful not to choke on the sand when you breathe in.


I love Kermit comments like this. It screams 'I know best because I do'.

Thanks Kermit.


Just going by the pesky evidence, Velma.

No sale. You are just being your usual smug self.


So, what is your take on the video evidence? Is it Nige saying those words or not? And, if you believe it it is, will you still be marketing his more recent NHS speak as something that he truly believes in?

You may decide to continue to do so but how will you know that his latter thoughts truly usurp the video-based ones?

The flip-flopping chatterbox is snookering his own supporters. Or, he would be if they weren't so damned well in love with him.


That was a very well edited video. None of us know what was put to Nigel before he spoke, we don't know the context in which he was asked to reply or do we know whether the response he gave was shortened in anyway.

Draw from it what you will Kermit. However, you are a smart guy and must have doubts that you have witnessed the full extent of what was discussed in those events videoed.

 


"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 12 Nov 14 9.48pm

Quote matt_himself at 12 Nov 2014 9.45pm

Quote Kermit8 at 12 Nov 2014 5.42pm

Quote matt_himself at 12 Nov 2014 5.26pm

Quote Kermit8 at 12 Nov 2014 5.17pm

Quote matt_himself at 12 Nov 2014 5.16pm

Quote Kermit8 at 12 Nov 2014 5.10pm

Quote matt_himself at 12 Nov 2014 5.04pm

Quote Kermit8 at 12 Nov 2014 4.53pm

Quote matt_himself at 12 Nov 2014 4.42pm

Quote Kermit8 at 12 Nov 2014 4.24pm

ukip supporters don't read articles to understand they read merely in order to reply. LOUDLY.

The thing I find amazing is that if this was such a scoop, why the mainstream press is not all over it at the moment?

It appears that only the Guardian is reporting it.

Why could that be?


You gotta admit - the video is pretty damning.

He is not to be trusted, it appears. Not by a long chalk.


That's your opinion. Enjoy the self satisfied buzz that comes with projecting it onto a message board.


Be careful not to choke on the sand when you breathe in.


I love Kermit comments like this. It screams 'I know best because I do'.

Thanks Kermit.


Just going by the pesky evidence, Velma.

No sale. You are just being your usual smug self.


So, what is your take on the video evidence? Is it Nige saying those words or not? And, if you believe it it is, will you still be marketing his more recent NHS speak as something that he truly believes in?

You may decide to continue to do so but how will you know that his latter thoughts truly usurp the video-based ones?

The flip-flopping chatterbox is snookering his own supporters. Or, he would be if they weren't so damned well in love with him.


That was a very well edited video. None of us know what was put to Nigel before he spoke, we don't know the context in which he was asked to reply or do we know whether the response he gave was shortened in anyway.

Draw from it what you will Kermit. However, you are a smart guy and must have doubts that you have witnessed the full extent of what was discussed in those events videoed.


Don't believe you. You support a party for the working man that isn't really.

 

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matt_himself Flag Matataland 12 Nov 14 9.49pm Send a Private Message to matt_himself Add matt_himself as a friend

Quote sydtheeagle at 12 Nov 2014 6.03pm

Quote matt_himself at 12 Nov 2014 5.28pm

Interesting. Firstly, there are many misunderstandings in the above and seeing as how neither Chomsky, Friedman or Hayek could agree on the term, I find it rather interesting that you think you can define it.

Secondly, which blog did that come from?

The term, surely, is irrelevant? It's just a word and words can have meaning ascribed to them by context. They're not absolute. More to the point, since neither Chomsky, Friedman or Hayek's support is critical to any definition of the word, who cares what they could or couldn't agree with? The Austrian/Chicago School of Economic thought is in any case now largely discredited.

I see few misunderstanding in Nick's post, so I'd like to know where you think they are. Always the last refuge of a scoundrel to criticise someone, but to fail to point out the specific errors you're accusing them of making. Is Nick wrong only because you said so? This renders your post little more than fluffy vitriol.

History, upon even a cursory examination, supports Nick's contention that corporations first appeared as organisations in the late 19th century to oversee large scale public projects. If governments can be said not have worked together OPENLY to ensure wealth transference upwards, they have certainly done so implicitly. How else do you account for the current, unbalanced, society we live in...the product of successive governments? Do you think working people are willingly disenfranchising themselves?

Easy credit became the norm because it was an easy way for banks to make (more) money. In fact, there came a point when it was the only way. Once you have no more rich people to lend to, you cash in on the poor ones at prohibitive interest rates. It's the only option. The trouble is that the risk managers got their sums wrong about what the poor borrowers could afford. (The fact that these people became indebted and thus trapped was of neither concern nor interest to anyone in the structured products community of the Financial Services industry. At least until the excrement hit the ventilation extractor.)

Deregulation of markets really amounted to little more than letting the poachers run the game estate. Or to use another metaphor, do you expect good behaviour if you give the lunatics the keys to the asylum? What do you think an institution that is designed to generate profit is going to do when it is deregulated. Take sensible risks? Settle for marginal returns?

The real problem in all this is Stalin. And no, I'm not joking. History always holds the real answers (another point implicitly made by Nick's post). The discrediting of communism (rightly -- but with it -- and wrongly -- went the credibility of more or less every colour of left wing ideology) delivered two decades of unfettered right-wing dominance that delivered a world hallmarked, ultimately, by a divided society and economic collapse. That these regimes still have apologists beggars belief. The rebirth of Keynesian perspectives attests somewhat to this.

You appear to be long on rhetoric and very short on detail.

Edited by sydtheeagle (12 Nov 2014 6.03pm)


The thinking man"a revolutionary is back! Hurrah!

Thank you for the diatribe. Unfortunately, I have had a few drinks and cannot formulate a cogent response to your ramblings but I will endeavour to do so tomorrow old sport.

 


"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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matt_himself Flag Matataland 12 Nov 14 9.50pm Send a Private Message to matt_himself Add matt_himself as a friend

Quote nickgusset at 12 Nov 2014 9.48pm

Quote matt_himself at 12 Nov 2014 9.45pm

Quote Kermit8 at 12 Nov 2014 5.42pm

Quote matt_himself at 12 Nov 2014 5.26pm

Quote Kermit8 at 12 Nov 2014 5.17pm

Quote matt_himself at 12 Nov 2014 5.16pm

Quote Kermit8 at 12 Nov 2014 5.10pm

Quote matt_himself at 12 Nov 2014 5.04pm

Quote Kermit8 at 12 Nov 2014 4.53pm

Quote matt_himself at 12 Nov 2014 4.42pm

Quote Kermit8 at 12 Nov 2014 4.24pm

ukip supporters don't read articles to understand they read merely in order to reply. LOUDLY.

The thing I find amazing is that if this was such a scoop, why the mainstream press is not all over it at the moment?

It appears that only the Guardian is reporting it.

Why could that be?


You gotta admit - the video is pretty damning.

He is not to be trusted, it appears. Not by a long chalk.


That's your opinion. Enjoy the self satisfied buzz that comes with projecting it onto a message board.


Be careful not to choke on the sand when you breathe in.


I love Kermit comments like this. It screams 'I know best because I do'.

Thanks Kermit.


Just going by the pesky evidence, Velma.

No sale. You are just being your usual smug self.


So, what is your take on the video evidence? Is it Nige saying those words or not? And, if you believe it it is, will you still be marketing his more recent NHS speak as something that he truly believes in?

You may decide to continue to do so but how will you know that his latter thoughts truly usurp the video-based ones?

The flip-flopping chatterbox is snookering his own supporters. Or, he would be if they weren't so damned well in love with him.


That was a very well edited video. None of us know what was put to Nigel before he spoke, we don't know the context in which he was asked to reply or do we know whether the response he gave was shortened in anyway.

Draw from it what you will Kermit. However, you are a smart guy and must have doubts that you have witnessed the full extent of what was discussed in those events videoed.


Don't believe you. You support a party for the working man that isn't really.


Whatever you wish to believe, Gusset.

You support lefty fascists. They aren't for the working man, just for a shift in power. Here's to the new boss...

 


"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 12 Nov 14 9.58pm

Quote matt_himself at 12 Nov 2014 9.50pm

Quote nickgusset at 12 Nov 2014 9.48pm

Quote matt_himself at 12 Nov 2014 9.45pm

Quote Kermit8 at 12 Nov 2014 5.42pm

Quote matt_himself at 12 Nov 2014 5.26pm

Quote Kermit8 at 12 Nov 2014 5.17pm

Quote matt_himself at 12 Nov 2014 5.16pm

Quote Kermit8 at 12 Nov 2014 5.10pm

Quote matt_himself at 12 Nov 2014 5.04pm

Quote Kermit8 at 12 Nov 2014 4.53pm

Quote matt_himself at 12 Nov 2014 4.42pm

Quote Kermit8 at 12 Nov 2014 4.24pm

ukip supporters don't read articles to understand they read merely in order to reply. LOUDLY.

The thing I find amazing is that if this was such a scoop, why the mainstream press is not all over it at the moment?

It appears that only the Guardian is reporting it.

Why could that be?


You gotta admit - the video is pretty damning.

He is not to be trusted, it appears. Not by a long chalk.


That's your opinion. Enjoy the self satisfied buzz that comes with projecting it onto a message board.


Be careful not to choke on the sand when you breathe in.


I love Kermit comments like this. It screams 'I know best because I do'.

Thanks Kermit.


Just going by the pesky evidence, Velma.

No sale. You are just being your usual smug self.


So, what is your take on the video evidence? Is it Nige saying those words or not? And, if you believe it it is, will you still be marketing his more recent NHS speak as something that he truly believes in?

You may decide to continue to do so but how will you know that his latter thoughts truly usurp the video-based ones?

The flip-flopping chatterbox is snookering his own supporters. Or, he would be if they weren't so damned well in love with him.


That was a very well edited video. None of us know what was put to Nigel before he spoke, we don't know the context in which he was asked to reply or do we know whether the response he gave was shortened in anyway.

Draw from it what you will Kermit. However, you are a smart guy and must have doubts that you have witnessed the full extent of what was discussed in those events videoed.


Don't believe you. You support a party for the working man that isn't really.


Whatever you wish to believe, Gusset.

You support lefty fascists. They aren't for the working man, just for a shift in power. Here's to the new boss...

And Lord Dartmouth is?

 

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Quote nickgusset at 12 Nov 2014 9.58pm

Quote matt_himself at 12 Nov 2014 9.50pm

Quote nickgusset at 12 Nov 2014 9.48pm

Quote matt_himself at 12 Nov 2014 9.45pm

Quote Kermit8 at 12 Nov 2014 5.42pm

Quote matt_himself at 12 Nov 2014 5.26pm

Quote Kermit8 at 12 Nov 2014 5.17pm

Quote matt_himself at 12 Nov 2014 5.16pm

Quote Kermit8 at 12 Nov 2014 5.10pm

Quote matt_himself at 12 Nov 2014 5.04pm

Quote Kermit8 at 12 Nov 2014 4.53pm

Quote matt_himself at 12 Nov 2014 4.42pm

Quote Kermit8 at 12 Nov 2014 4.24pm

ukip supporters don't read articles to understand they read merely in order to reply. LOUDLY.

The thing I find amazing is that if this was such a scoop, why the mainstream press is not all over it at the moment?

It appears that only the Guardian is reporting it.

Why could that be?


You gotta admit - the video is pretty damning.

He is not to be trusted, it appears. Not by a long chalk.


That's your opinion. Enjoy the self satisfied buzz that comes with projecting it onto a message board.


Be careful not to choke on the sand when you breathe in.


I love Kermit comments like this. It screams 'I know best because I do'.

Thanks Kermit.


Just going by the pesky evidence, Velma.

No sale. You are just being your usual smug self.


So, what is your take on the video evidence? Is it Nige saying those words or not? And, if you believe it it is, will you still be marketing his more recent NHS speak as something that he truly believes in?

You may decide to continue to do so but how will you know that his latter thoughts truly usurp the video-based ones?

The flip-flopping chatterbox is snookering his own supporters. Or, he would be if they weren't so damned well in love with him.


That was a very well edited video. None of us know what was put to Nigel before he spoke, we don't know the context in which he was asked to reply or do we know whether the response he gave was shortened in anyway.

Draw from it what you will Kermit. However, you are a smart guy and must have doubts that you have witnessed the full extent of what was discussed in those events videoed.


Don't believe you. You support a party for the working man that isn't really.


Whatever you wish to believe, Gusset.

You support lefty fascists. They aren't for the working man, just for a shift in power. Here's to the new boss...

And Lord Dartmouth is?


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"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 12 Nov 14 10.12pm

Did you make that meme all by yourself? Very creative Matthew.

 

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