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Quote nickgusset at 08 Jan 2016 4.25pm

If Corbyn is so unelectable, why has Cameron refused a yearly leaders debate? Why would Cameron not relish the idea, winning argument after argument against such a feeble opponent?

If Corbyn is so unelectable, why do the media keep bandying about emotive phrases such as 'trotskyite'?

If the election in 2020 is going to be such an easy landslide victory for the Tories, why are they hell-bent on changing electoral rules to benefit themselves? Is there really any need to go to so much trouble to reduce the number of non-Tory supporters eligible to vote, by rushing through individual electoral registration? What are the Tories frightened of? Indeed, there can be no need to change constituency boundaries in their favour when they face no real opposition, or to cut short money going to opposition parties. No need for precautions like these when they’re only up against an “unelectable” Labour Party.


A) because Corbyn has suggested it, why would he want to give him what he wants?
B) They never go down well with the incumbent
C) They're rubbish.

Any party in government will attempt to make changes that will benefit them now or in the future. Hence the Lords getting stuffed with a disproportionate number of Lib Dems before their election crash.

 


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Quote nickgusset at 08 Jan 2016 4.25pm

If Corbyn is so unelectable, why has Cameron refused a yearly leaders debate? Why would Cameron not relish the idea, winning argument after argument against such a feeble opponent?

He already relishes that opportunity on a weekly basis. On Wednesday he was being asked about serious flooding and was pissing about making feeble Shakespeare jokes. The only people who lose in leaders' debates are the incumbent, because what it does is invites people to imagine what someone would be like as a leader.

The reason Cameron doesn't want debates with Corbyn is the same reason he didn't want them with Miliband. Because his own leadership ratings are actually pretty good for a PM going into his second term and Corbyn's personal ratings are absolutely dire. Why risk changing that? His 'fear' of Miliband obviously turned out to be completely unfounded.

Quote nickgusset at 08 Jan 2016 4.25pm

If Corbyn is so unelectable, why do the media keep bandying about emotive phrases such as 'trotskyite'?

Because it's the most interesting thing about him. Most people can't remember a more left-wing Labour leader for at least 30 years. He may be the most left-wing MP out of 232 MPs. To not remark upon how polarising a figure he is would be rather odd.

Quote nickgusset at 08 Jan 2016 4.25pm

If the election in 2020 is going to be such an easy landslide victory for the Tories, why are they hell-bent on changing electoral rules to benefit themselves? Is there really any need to go to so much trouble to reduce the number of non-Tory supporters eligible to vote, by rushing through individual electoral registration? What are the Tories frightened of? Indeed, there can be no need to change constituency boundaries in their favour when they face no real opposition, or to cut short money going to opposition parties. No need for precautions like these when they’re only up against an “unelectable” Labour Party.

Do you honestly think that the Tories wouldn't have done all of the above if Burnham was leader? They changed electoral registration when Miliband was leader. They tried to do the boundaries when Miliband was leader. They've always opposed Short money when in power. They'll do anything they can to give themselves an advantage, because one day the public will stop voting for them.

My worry is that when eventually they do lose support, Labour will be so catastrophically inept that they won't be able to take advantage.

 


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Didn't realise two people have given nearly the exact same answer as me above. If we're going to secretly concoct establishment lines-to-take, can we at least phrase them slightly differently please lads?

 


"The fox has his den. The bee has his hive. The stoat, has, uh... his stoat-hole... but only man chooses to make his nest in an investment opportunity.” Stewart Lee

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Quote The White Horse at 08 Jan 2016 4.51pm

Didn't realise two people have given nearly the exact same answer as me above. If we're going to secretly concoct establishment lines-to-take, can we at least phrase them slightly differently please lads?


 


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Quote nickgusset at 08 Jan 2016 4.25pm

If Corbyn is so unelectable.

Recent yougov poll

Party support

Conservatives: 39%
Labour: 29%
UKIP: 17%
Lib Dems: 6%
Others: 8%

Leadership Approval Rating

David Cameron doing well as PM vs doing badly = 0 (47-47)
Jeremy Corbyn doing well as Lab leader vs doing badly = -41 (24-65)

Best PM

Corbyn (23) vs Cameron (49) = -26
Corbyn (27) vs Osborne (39) = -12
Corbyn (29) vs Boris (43) = -14

Best Party to Handle Issues (Broadly in order of importance)

Asylum & Immigration - Con ahead by 9%
NHS - Lab ahead by 6%
Economy - Con ahead by 23%
Housing - Lab ahead by 5%
Education - Con ahead by 1%
Law & Order - Con ahead by 19%
Taxation - Con ahead by 13%
Unemployment - Con ahead by 12%

Edited by The White Horse (08 Jan 2016 6.20pm)

 


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Quote nickgusset at 08 Jan 2016 4.25pm

If Corbyn is so unelectable, why has Cameron refused a yearly leaders debate? Why would Cameron not relish the idea, winning argument after argument against such a feeble opponent?

He already relishes that opportunity on a weekly basis. On Wednesday he was being asked about serious flooding and was pissing about making feeble Shakespeare jokes. The only people who lose in leaders' debates are the incumbent, because what it does is invites people to imagine what someone would be like as a leader.

The reason Cameron doesn't want debates with Corbyn is the same reason he didn't want them with Miliband. Because his own leadership ratings are actually pretty good for a PM going into his second term and Corbyn's personal ratings are absolutely dire. Why risk changing that? His 'fear' of Miliband obviously turned out to be completely unfounded.

Quote nickgusset at 08 Jan 2016 4.25pm

If Corbyn is so unelectable, why do the media keep bandying about emotive phrases such as 'trotskyite'?

Because it's the most interesting thing about him. Most people can't remember a more left-wing Labour leader for at least 30 years. He may be the most left-wing MP out of 232 MPs. To not remark upon how polarising a figure he is would be rather odd.

Quote nickgusset at 08 Jan 2016 4.25pm

If the election in 2020 is going to be such an easy landslide victory for the Tories, why are they hell-bent on changing electoral rules to benefit themselves? Is there really any need to go to so much trouble to reduce the number of non-Tory supporters eligible to vote, by rushing through individual electoral registration? What are the Tories frightened of? Indeed, there can be no need to change constituency boundaries in their favour when they face no real opposition, or to cut short money going to opposition parties. No need for precautions like these when they’re only up against an “unelectable” Labour Party.

Do you honestly think that the Tories wouldn't have done all of the above if Burnham was leader? They changed electoral registration when Miliband was leader. They tried to do the boundaries when Miliband was leader. They've always opposed Short money when in power. They'll do anything they can to give themselves an advantage, because one day the public will stop voting for them.

My worry is that when eventually they do lose support, Labour will be so catastrophically inept that they won't be able to take advantage.


This is correct. The fact is that Corbyn, through his own pig headed ness and unreconstructed Trotskyite operation, is leading Labour into the wilderness.

The recent 'reshuffle' being a case in point. His reshuffle took three day and he didn't achieve his aim, which was clearly to kick Hilary Benn off his front bench. It showed that he was not in control of the party, as a leader in control of the party would have made the decision on a reshuffle before it being announced and would complete it quickly. It also highlighted his Trotskyite/Stalinist modus operandi, which is to kick out dissenters, have them insulted (for example, having his acolytes brand them as 'Tory lite' on social media) and then install his preferred candidates to replace them who toe his line.

The truly disturbing aspect of Corbyn's leadership is his desire to remove dissenting voices from the party. He is seeking to kill democracy & debate and replace it with his, and only his, views. This is not what Cameron is doing, for example he is allowing his cabinet to campaign as their conscience dictates on Europe. It is also hypocritical from Corbyn who, when as a backbencher, defied the Labour whip on many occasions and was a serial rebel.

These are dark times for Labour and one can only think that the right thing for the moderates to do is wait and let the public overwhelmingly reject Corbyn before enacting a leadership contest, as being associated him is electoral poison.

 


"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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Hoof Hearted 09 Jan 16 11.18am

Nick.... if The White Horse is suggesting Labour are fcuked with Corbyn at the helm, you can pretty well be sure that is the case.

You seem to think there is a political eureka moment going on with Corbyn but there isn't.

How many times do we have to point out to you that Corbyn's support is about 200,000 Labour members.

He needs to convince millions of Labour VOTERS.

His performance so far is to scare a lot of voters away by his appearance, policies and dangerous position on Trident missiles.

This week has probably put a load more off as he made a pig's ear of a cabinet reshuffle.

 

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Quote Hoof Hearted at 09 Jan 2016 11.18am

Nick.... if The White Horse is suggesting Labour are fcuked with Corbyn at the helm, you can pretty well be sure that is the case.

You seem to think there is a political eureka moment going on with Corbyn but there isn't.

How many times do we have to point out to you that Corbyn's support is about 200,000 Labour members.

He needs to convince millions of Labour VOTERS.

His performance so far is to scare a lot of voters away by his appearance, policies and dangerous position on Trident missiles.

This week has probably put a load more off as he made a pig's ear of a cabinet reshuffle.


This meme pretty much covers the reshuffle for me.

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Hoof Hearted 09 Jan 16 11.59am

I have an image of nickgusset walking round his house with his fingers in his ears and humming loudly to convince himself that his understanding of the situation is the correct one.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 09 Jan 16 12.21pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 09 Jan 2016 11.59am

I have an image of nickgusset walking round his house with his fingers in his ears and humming loudly to convince himself that his understanding of the situation is the correct one.


If you publicly called your boss (in not so many words) a prick, do you think you'd still have a job?
That's effectively what Dugher did, so it was no surprise he lost his place.

 

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Hoof Hearted 09 Jan 16 12.30pm

Quote nickgusset at 09 Jan 2016 12.21pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 09 Jan 2016 11.59am

I have an image of nickgusset walking round his house with his fingers in his ears and humming loudly to convince himself that his understanding of the situation is the correct one.


If you publicly called your boss (in not so many words) a prick, do you think you'd still have a job?
That's effectively what Dugher did, so it was no surprise he lost his place.


I worked very briefly for a couple of pricks in my career, but none that were as bad as Corbyn.

 

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this is classic Rod Liddle:

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