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Spiderman Horsham 06 Sep 19 2.54pm
Interesting snippet from an article in the Guardian from 2014. I would like to know what reforms have taken place that made Spreadsheet Phil change his tune Philip Hammond, last week appointed as foreign secretary, has confirmed that he would vote for Britain to leave the European Union unless there was significant reform in Brussels. In an interview on the BBC's Andrew Marr show on Sunday, Hammond said that current arrangements were "simply not acceptable" and that he stood by the answer he gave in an interview a year ago when he said, if he had to choose now, he would vote for withdrawal from the EU.

Spiderman

Horsham 06 Sep 19 2.54pm

Interesting snippet from an article in the Guardian from 2014. I would like to know what reforms have taken place that made Spreadsheet Phil change his tune

Philip Hammond, last week appointed as foreign secretary, has confirmed that he would vote for Britain to leave the European Union unless there was significant reform in Brussels.

In an interview on the BBC's Andrew Marr show on Sunday, Hammond said that current arrangements were "simply not acceptable" and that he stood by the answer he gave in an interview a year ago when he said, if he had to choose now, he would vote for withdrawal from the EU.

Midlands Eagle 06 Sep 19 3.02pm
Originally posted by Spiderman Shadow Foreign Secretary who just rolls her eyes when someone disagrees with her, needs to grow up and learn a lot about being a diplomat. She who refers to Labour voters as "white van man"

Midlands Eagle

06 Sep 19 3.02pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

Shadow Foreign Secretary who just rolls her eyes when someone disagrees with her, needs to grow up and learn a lot about being a diplomat.

She who refers to Labour voters as "white van man"

cryrst The garden of England 06 Sep 19 3.04pm
Originally posted by DanH This is a fine effort, to be applauded. The rest of the post is b*llocks, mind Coming from an antifa loving left wing no mark government bean counter that's quite funny.

cryrst

The garden of England 06 Sep 19 3.04pm

Originally posted by DanH

This is a fine effort, to be applauded.

The rest of the post is b*llocks, mind

Coming from an antifa loving left wing no mark government bean counter that's quite funny.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 06 Sep 19 3.05pm
Originally posted by Spiderman [Link] Aren't these the same people who think Brexit will be a financial disaster. Happy to be proved wrong Wissie Maybe not the same but similar and if you probe deep you will see that for many it was always a difficult judgement call, because of the uncertainties involved. Uncertainties that, with hindsight, seem to have proven the ultimate political judgement to have been wise. Deciding that we ought to have joined the Euro can still be viewed as an honourable position to have taken, given what we knew at the time. This is not the same as with a no deal Brexit, whatever your opinion might be on a Brexit at all. No-one expects a no deal exit to be beneficial. They might vary on how bad and how long the pain will be but pain is expected. Pain that can, and ought, be avoided. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 06 Sep 19 3.05pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

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Aren't these the same people who think Brexit will be a financial disaster. Happy to be proved wrong Wissie

Maybe not the same but similar and if you probe deep you will see that for many it was always a difficult judgement call, because of the uncertainties involved. Uncertainties that, with hindsight, seem to have proven the ultimate political judgement to have been wise. Deciding that we ought to have joined the Euro can still be viewed as an honourable position to have taken, given what we knew at the time.

This is not the same as with a no deal Brexit, whatever your opinion might be on a Brexit at all.

No-one expects a no deal exit to be beneficial. They might vary on how bad and how long the pain will be but pain is expected. Pain that can, and ought, be avoided.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Bexley Eagle Bexley Kent 06 Sep 19 3.09pm
Originally posted by DanH This is a fine effort, to be applauded. The rest of the post is b*llocks, mind Probably the reason why I can make plenty of money in the City yet can't quite understand how the majority of Politicians have no idea how to negotiate a deal.

Bexley Eagle

Bexley Kent 06 Sep 19 3.09pm

Originally posted by DanH

This is a fine effort, to be applauded.

The rest of the post is b*llocks, mind

Probably the reason why I can make plenty of money in the City yet can't quite understand how the majority of Politicians have no idea how to negotiate a deal.

Bexley Eagle Bexley Kent 06 Sep 19 3.13pm
Originally posted by DANGERCLOSE [Tweet Link] I watched that last night but had to turn it off due to the extreme amount of bollox coming out of Emily Thornberry's mouth. Bruce also wound me up by not intervening. You my gather I can't stand Emily Thornberry but last night she clearly highlighted why she really shouldn't be in a position of responsibility - and return to her mansion in Islington.

Bexley Eagle

Bexley Kent 06 Sep 19 3.13pm

Originally posted by DANGERCLOSE

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I watched that last night but had to turn it off due to the extreme amount of bollox coming out of Emily Thornberry's mouth. Bruce also wound me up by not intervening.

You my gather I can't stand Emily Thornberry but last night she clearly highlighted why she really shouldn't be in a position of responsibility - and return to her mansion in Islington.

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 06 Sep 19 3.16pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Maybe not the same but similar and if you probe deep you will see that for many it was always a difficult judgement call, because of the uncertainties involved. Uncertainties that, with hindsight, seem to have proven the ultimate political judgement to have been wise. Deciding that we ought to have joined the Euro can still be viewed as an honourable position to have taken, given what we knew at the time. This is not the same as with a no deal Brexit, whatever your opinion might be on a Brexit at all. No-one expects a no deal exit to be beneficial. They might vary on how bad and how long the pain will be but pain is expected. Pain that can, and ought, be avoided. Opposition parties,had THREE attempts to prevent 'No Deal' but they never backed the May deal. One is left with the impression that opposition parties would have rejected ANY deal that May had agreed for party political purposes amidst their disengenuous claims of "Respecting the result of the referendum". To prevent a 'No Deal' one has to have it on the table in negotiations but alas we are all fully aware what has happened. Edited by Willo (06 Sep 2019 3.24pm)

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 06 Sep 19 3.16pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

This is not the same as with a no deal Brexit, whatever your opinion might be on a Brexit at all.

No-one expects a no deal exit to be beneficial. They might vary on how bad and how long the pain will be but pain is expected. Pain that can, and ought, be avoided.

Opposition parties,had THREE attempts to prevent 'No Deal' but they never backed the May deal.

One is left with the impression that opposition parties would have rejected ANY deal that May had agreed for party political purposes amidst their disengenuous claims of "Respecting the result of the referendum".
To prevent a 'No Deal' one has to have it on the table in negotiations but alas we are all fully aware what has happened.

Edited by Willo (06 Sep 2019 3.24pm)

Spiderman Horsham 06 Sep 19 3.21pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Maybe not the same but similar and if you probe deep you will see that for many it was always a difficult judgement call, because of the uncertainties involved. Uncertainties that, with hindsight, seem to have proven the ultimate political judgement to have been wise. Deciding that we ought to have joined the Euro can still be viewed as an honourable position to have taken, given what we knew at the time. This is not the same as with a no deal Brexit, whatever your opinion might be on a Brexit at all. No-one expects a no deal exit to be beneficial. They might vary on how bad and how long the pain will be but pain is expected. Pain that can, and ought, be avoided. Nonsense

Spiderman

Horsham 06 Sep 19 3.21pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Maybe not the same but similar and if you probe deep you will see that for many it was always a difficult judgement call, because of the uncertainties involved. Uncertainties that, with hindsight, seem to have proven the ultimate political judgement to have been wise. Deciding that we ought to have joined the Euro can still be viewed as an honourable position to have taken, given what we knew at the time.

This is not the same as with a no deal Brexit, whatever your opinion might be on a Brexit at all.

No-one expects a no deal exit to be beneficial. They might vary on how bad and how long the pain will be but pain is expected. Pain that can, and ought, be avoided.

Nonsense

Spiderman Horsham 06 Sep 19 3.24pm
Originally posted by Bexley Eagle I watched that last night but had to turn it off due to the extreme amount of bollox coming out of Emily Thornberry's mouth. Bruce also wound me up by not intervening. You my gather I can't stand Emily Thornberry but last night she clearly highlighted why she really shouldn't be in a position of responsibility - and return to her mansion in Islington. Agreed seemed to only intervene when it was the Brexit supporters having their say. How Blackford and Thornberry were allowed so much waffle time was a disgrace. A point I believe Ian Dale tried to make

Spiderman

Horsham 06 Sep 19 3.24pm

Originally posted by Bexley Eagle

I watched that last night but had to turn it off due to the extreme amount of bollox coming out of Emily Thornberry's mouth. Bruce also wound me up by not intervening.

You my gather I can't stand Emily Thornberry but last night she clearly highlighted why she really shouldn't be in a position of responsibility - and return to her mansion in Islington.

Agreed seemed to only intervene when it was the Brexit supporters having their say. How Blackford and Thornberry were allowed so much waffle time was a disgrace. A point I believe Ian Dale tried to make

Spiderman Horsham 06 Sep 19 3.25pm
Originally posted by Willo Opposition parties,had THREE attempts to prevent 'No Deal' but they never backed the May deal. One is left with the impression that opposition parties would have rejected ANY deal that May had agreed for party political purposes amidst their disengenuous claims of "Respecting the result of the referendum". To prevent a 'No Deal' one has to have it on the table in negotiations but alas we are all fully aware what has happened. Edited by Willo (06 Sep 2019 3.24pm) Spot on

Spiderman

Horsham 06 Sep 19 3.25pm

Originally posted by Willo

Opposition parties,had THREE attempts to prevent 'No Deal' but they never backed the May deal.

One is left with the impression that opposition parties would have rejected ANY deal that May had agreed for party political purposes amidst their disengenuous claims of "Respecting the result of the referendum".
To prevent a 'No Deal' one has to have it on the table in negotiations but alas we are all fully aware what has happened.

Edited by Willo (06 Sep 2019 3.24pm)

Spot on

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 06 Sep 19 3.29pm
Originally posted by Willo Opposition parties,had THREE attempts to prevent 'No Deal' but they never backed the May deal. One is left with the impression that opposition parties would have rejected ANY deal that May had agreed for party political purposes amidst their disengenuous claims of "Repecting the result of the referendum". To prevent a 'No Deal' one has to have it on the table in negotiations but alas we are all fully aware what has happened. Edited by Willo (06 Sep 2019 3.17pm) Many MPs who wanted themselves to remain voted for May's deal, whilst many leavers did not. The problem wasn't the leaving, it was the perceived problems associated with the "backstop" which would only get worse without any kind of deal. The problem with playing a game of bluff in high stakes poker is that sometimes you are caught holding a pair of twos on the table and everything gets lost. Our government ought not be gambling with the future of our children and grandchildren for the sake of proving a point. This is not responsible negotiation at all. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 06 Sep 19 3.29pm

Originally posted by Willo

Opposition parties,had THREE attempts to prevent 'No Deal' but they never backed the May deal.

One is left with the impression that opposition parties would have rejected ANY deal that May had agreed for party political purposes amidst their disengenuous claims of "Repecting the result of the referendum".
To prevent a 'No Deal' one has to have it on the table in negotiations but alas we are all fully aware what has happened.

Edited by Willo (06 Sep 2019 3.17pm)

Many MPs who wanted themselves to remain voted for May's deal, whilst many leavers did not. The problem wasn't the leaving, it was the perceived problems associated with the "backstop" which would only get worse without any kind of deal.

The problem with playing a game of bluff in high stakes poker is that sometimes you are caught holding a pair of twos on the table and everything gets lost.

Our government ought not be gambling with the future of our children and grandchildren for the sake of proving a point.

This is not responsible negotiation at all.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Invalid user 2019 06 Sep 19 3.34pm
Originally posted by Bexley Eagle I watched that last night but had to turn it off due to the extreme amount of bollox coming out of Emily Thornberry's mouth. Bruce also wound me up by not intervening. You my gather I can't stand Emily Thornberry but last night she clearly highlighted why she really shouldn't be in a position of responsibility - and return to her mansion in Islington. So the sextape finally leaked then

Invalid user 2019

06 Sep 19 3.34pm

Originally posted by Bexley Eagle

I watched that last night but had to turn it off due to the extreme amount of bollox coming out of Emily Thornberry's mouth. Bruce also wound me up by not intervening.

You my gather I can't stand Emily Thornberry but last night she clearly highlighted why she really shouldn't be in a position of responsibility - and return to her mansion in Islington.

So the sextape finally leaked then

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 06 Sep 19 3.40pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Many MPs who wanted themselves to remain voted for May's deal, whilst many leavers did not. The problem wasn't the leaving, it was the perceived problems associated with the "backstop" which would only get worse without any kind of deal. The problem with playing a game of bluff in high stakes poker is that sometimes you are caught holding a pair of twos on the table and everything gets lost. Our government ought not be gambling with the future of our children and grandchildren for the sake of proving a point. This is not responsible negotiation at all. With the greatest of respect, the Government does not want a 'No Deal' but believes that it MUST be on the table in negotiations.Once it is removed it weakens the Government's hands in trying to get a new deal.There is no incentive for the EU to significantly amend the current deal - they are quite happy to see us continue to stay in month after month ploughing billions into their coffers. At the end of the say, 17.4 million voted to leave, "leave means leave" and this 'circus' cannot continue.The electorate are bored and fedup with this whole issue.

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 06 Sep 19 3.40pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

The problem with playing a game of bluff in high stakes poker is that sometimes you are caught holding a pair of twos on the table and everything gets lost.

Our government ought not be gambling with the future of our children and grandchildren for the sake of proving a point.

This is not responsible negotiation at all.

With the greatest of respect, the Government does not want a 'No Deal' but believes that it MUST be on the table in negotiations.Once it is removed it weakens the Government's hands in trying to get a new deal.There is no incentive for the EU to significantly amend the current deal - they are quite happy to see us continue to stay in month after month ploughing billions into their coffers.

At the end of the say, 17.4 million voted to leave, "leave means leave" and this 'circus' cannot continue.The electorate are bored and fedup with this whole issue.

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Stirlingsays 06 Sep 19 3.45pm
I can't wait for a general election where we can vote this combination of internationalists and fifth columnists out. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Sep 2019 3.48pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

06 Sep 19 3.45pm

I can't wait for a general election where we can vote this combination of internationalists and fifth columnists out.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Sep 2019 3.48pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Invalid user 2019 06 Sep 19 3.46pm
Originally posted by Willo With the greatest of respect, the Government does not want a 'No Deal' but believes that it MUST be on the table in negotiations.Once it is removed it weakens the Government's hands in trying to get a new deal.There is no incentive for the EU to significantly amend the current deal - they are quite happy to see us continue to stay in month after month ploughing billions into their coffers. At the end of the say, 17.4 million voted to leave, "leave means leave" and this 'circus' cannot continue.The electorate are bored and fedup with this whole issue. It's having a good go at it though isn't it. Imagine slipping into a coma three years ago, then coming around and none of this has moved on a jot.

Invalid user 2019

06 Sep 19 3.46pm

Originally posted by Willo

At the end of the say, 17.4 million voted to leave, "leave means leave" and this 'circus' cannot continue.The electorate are bored and fedup with this whole issue.

It's having a good go at it though isn't it. Imagine slipping into a coma three years ago, then coming around and none of this has moved on a jot.

Invalid user 2019 06 Sep 19 3.49pm
YOUGOV - Here's what the country's Brexit preferences look like when you ask people to choose from only the outcomes they think can still realistically happen: No Deal - 21% Boris Deal - 19% Remain - 19% Soft Brexit - 12% 2nd Ref - 10% Delay - 5% May Deal - 2%

Invalid user 2019

06 Sep 19 3.49pm

YOUGOV - Here's what the country's Brexit preferences look like when you ask people to choose from only the outcomes they think can still realistically happen:

No Deal - 21%
Boris Deal - 19%
Remain - 19%
Soft Brexit - 12%
2nd Ref - 10%
Delay - 5%
May Deal - 2%

dannyboy1978 06 Sep 19 3.55pm
Unbelievably [Link] Another carer politician. Beggs the question why didn't he go straight to the lib dems first?

dannyboy1978

06 Sep 19 3.55pm

Unbelievably
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Another carer politician.
Beggs the question why didn't he go straight to the lib dems first?

steeleye20 Croydon 06 Sep 19 3.56pm
Originally posted by dollardays It's having a good go at it though isn't it. Imagine slipping into a coma three years ago, then coming around and none of this has moved on a jot. 'The electorate are bored and fed up with this whole issue'. So they are, and revoking is the answer to their prayers. It is the only power the UK has actually, to cancel. The other options continue the angst for many years to come, if you are fed up with it now think how you will feel in 5 years. Or perhaps 10. Just to cheer you up....

steeleye20

Croydon 06 Sep 19 3.56pm

Originally posted by dollardays

It's having a good go at it though isn't it. Imagine slipping into a coma three years ago, then coming around and none of this has moved on a jot.

'The electorate are bored and fed up with this whole issue'.

So they are, and revoking is the answer to their prayers.

It is the only power the UK has actually, to cancel.

The other options continue the angst for many years to come, if you are fed up with it now think how you will feel in 5 years.

Or perhaps 10.

Just to cheer you up....

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