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eaglesdare Flag 11 Aug 22 3.42pm Send a Private Message to eaglesdare Add eaglesdare as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

I travelled to Europe on an aircraft, a couple of months ago, there was NO mandatory requirement to wear a face covering on the aircrafts and all the passengers I saw were not wearing a mask.
Same situation for members of my family who recently visited Spain.

I am certainly NOT spending a significant amount of money, travelling to and from Australia with a mask attached to my face.

Edited by Willo (11 Aug 2022 3.09pm)

I am the same I will not fly anywhere where those useless masks are a requirement for a plane, public transport, shops or even out in the open.

I infact refused to wear a mask all the way through the "pandemic"

 

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W12 11 Aug 22 4.18pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Exactly what are you categorising as "experimental medical interventions"? I trust not the vaccines, or you will be guilty of spreading conspiracy theories of the type which are costing many people's lives in Third World countries.

I wouldn't ask for sympathy from you in any circumstances. I have rarely known anyone less empathetic, let alone sympathetic. You think you know everything about subjects you know nothing about. All you do is repost discredited nonsense from the internet. A source of much misinformation.

My children and grandchildren have all been vaccinated. They are sensible and all perfectly fine. A friend has just had a double heart bye-pass, was in ICU but now back on the ward. The hospitals are under pressure but still functioning.

There's nothing "going on". People like you need to stop spreading these stories, as if they mean anything. There will be things we learn as the impact of Covid itself becomes better understood. To try to attribute them to the vaccines is simply irresponsible.

If you have to change the definition of a vaccine to call them vaccines then they are not vaccines. If they do not protect you from getting a disease or transmitting it they are not a vaccine. If the only way you can get them rolled out to the general populace is via "emergency use authorisation" and trials are still ongoing then they are experimental by definition.

We are now running at about 18% excess mortality and the increases in mortality correlates directly with booster rollouts but the only thing it cannot be (and cannot even be discussed) is the spike protein shots that are being injected into your bloodstream.

The spike protein is the very thing (in the Coronavirus) that supposedly makes you sick in various ways and for some reason they decided to inject it into your arm.

Injecting children and being ignorant of the contents of the vaccines and the risks to their health this is nothing short of child abuse.

By the way, most 3rd world countries have hardly noticed this "pandemic" other than the governments health measures or where they have been significantly "jabbed".

 

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Mapletree Flag Croydon 11 Aug 22 5.24pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by W12

If you have to change the definition of a vaccine to call them vaccines then they are not vaccines. If they do not protect you from getting a disease or transmitting it they are not a vaccine. If the only way you can get them rolled out to the general populace is via "emergency use authorisation" and trials are still ongoing then they are experimental by definition.

We are now running at about 18% excess mortality and the increases in mortality correlates directly with booster rollouts but the only thing it cannot be (and cannot even be discussed) is the spike protein shots that are being injected into your bloodstream.

The spike protein is the very thing (in the Coronavirus) that supposedly makes you sick in various ways and for some reason they decided to inject it into your arm.

Injecting children and being ignorant of the contents of the vaccines and the risks to their health this is nothing short of child abuse.

By the way, most 3rd world countries have hardly noticed this "pandemic" other than the governments health measures or where they have been significantly "jabbed".

By the way, you are a one-eyed moron not worthy to debate with.

However, for others on this site. From March 2022.

The COVID-19 death toll has been four times higher in lower-income countries than in rich ones, according to a new report published today by Oxfam on behalf of the People’s Vaccine Alliance as the world marks two years since the World Health Organization declared the pandemic.

While the pandemic has been devastating for rich countries like the US and the UK, the world’s poorest countries have been hardest hit, with women and children bearing a disproportionate burden. Lack of testing and reporting means that very large numbers of deaths due to COVID-19 go unreported, especially in the poorest countries. Modelling using measures of excess deaths estimates that 19.6 million people have died because of COVID-19, over three times the official death toll. Based on this analysis, Oxfam calculated that for every death in a high-income country, an estimated four other people have died in a low or lower-middle income country. On a per capita basis, deaths in low and lower middle-income countries are 31 percent higher than high income countries.

 

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W12 11 Aug 22 5.41pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

By the way, you are a one-eyed moron not worthy to debate with.

However, for others on this site. From March 2022.

The COVID-19 death toll has been four times higher in lower-income countries than in rich ones, according to a new report published today by Oxfam on behalf of the People’s Vaccine Alliance as the world marks two years since the World Health Organization declared the pandemic.

While the pandemic has been devastating for rich countries like the US and the UK, the world’s poorest countries have been hardest hit, with women and children bearing a disproportionate burden. Lack of testing and reporting means that very large numbers of deaths due to COVID-19 go unreported, especially in the poorest countries. Modelling using measures of excess deaths estimates that 19.6 million people have died because of COVID-19, over three times the official death toll. Based on this analysis, Oxfam calculated that for every death in a high-income country, an estimated four other people have died in a low or lower-middle income country. On a per capita basis, deaths in low and lower middle-income countries are 31 percent higher than high income countries.

Except that’s complete bollocks. They are stating that more people died in 3rd world countries due to things that cannot be measured by definition like “under reporting”. The same people will tell you that vaccine damage is over reported with exactly the same lack of evidence. It’s purely an appeal to authority which is a known logical fallacy and suggests you might be acting as part of the herd

By the way the “Peoples Vaccine Alliance” includes the likes of George Soros open society foundation and if you believe he has your best interest at heart then you will believe anything.

And for your slur - f*** off - you would never speak to me like that face to face

 

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W12 11 Aug 22 6.06pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

By the way, you are a one-eyed moron not worthy to debate with.

However, for others on this site. From March 2022.

The COVID-19 death toll has been four times higher in lower-income countries than in rich ones, according to a new report published today by Oxfam on behalf of the People’s Vaccine Alliance as the world marks two years since the World Health Organization declared the pandemic.

While the pandemic has been devastating for rich countries like the US and the UK, the world’s poorest countries have been hardest hit, with women and children bearing a disproportionate burden. Lack of testing and reporting means that very large numbers of deaths due to COVID-19 go unreported, especially in the poorest countries. Modelling using measures of excess deaths estimates that 19.6 million people have died because of COVID-19, over three times the official death toll. Based on this analysis, Oxfam calculated that for every death in a high-income country, an estimated four other people have died in a low or lower-middle income country. On a per capita basis, deaths in low and lower middle-income countries are 31 percent higher than high income countries.

And true to type you and various others never want to engage on any specific points made. It’s like trying to get something useful from a chat bot.

 

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Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 11 Aug 22 6.42pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by W12

And true to type you and various others never want to engage on any specific points made. It’s like trying to get something useful from a chat bot.

Just for an outsider's (am I? I'm going with it) perspective here, I think that statement (bold) does have value however is also quite ironic.

I do like the N&P section however I have noticed the balance has now more often drifted far from independent thought and intelligent assertions/hypotheses to what very much seems like copy and paste 'opinions' or theories merely echoing those on fringes and often accompanied with 'facts', 'shares' of online posts, so on and so forth and always from dubious (at best) sources. Some far more guilty than others and some examples more extreme than others of course.

I do scratch the noggin' as to what's going on. I wonder what some posters are trying to achieve? Are they trying to push an argument as they themselves know what they read, hear/are told etc. cannot be proven absolutely, therefore they want others to cave and say "You know what, you are absolutely right and have proved it, let's all accept this as truth, praise you and get on board"???

Perhaps it's just me, I do like the pub setting, 'putting the world to rights' chats however reading these threads is less like that and more akin to a debate between politicians (poor ones) where you wonder if you're the only person struggling to get a grip on any coherent narrative from either side or believe/buy in to what is being promoted? I have factored in my own evident idiocy and ignorance to such thoughts! More like a soap opera on here, a very predictable one, than a football forum!

C'est la vie! I'll duck out for now.

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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W12 11 Aug 22 8.06pm

Originally posted by Nicholas91

Just for an outsider's (am I? I'm going with it) perspective here, I think that statement (bold) does have value however is also quite ironic.

I do like the N&P section however I have noticed the balance has now more often drifted far from independent thought and intelligent assertions/hypotheses to what very much seems like copy and paste 'opinions' or theories merely echoing those on fringes and often accompanied with 'facts', 'shares' of online posts, so on and so forth and always from dubious (at best) sources. Some far more guilty than others and some examples more extreme than others of course.

I do scratch the noggin' as to what's going on. I wonder what some posters are trying to achieve? Are they trying to push an argument as they themselves know what they read, hear/are told etc. cannot be proven absolutely, therefore they want others to cave and say "You know what, you are absolutely right and have proved it, let's all accept this as truth, praise you and get on board"???

Perhaps it's just me, I do like the pub setting, 'putting the world to rights' chats however reading these threads is less like that and more akin to a debate between politicians (poor ones) where you wonder if you're the only person struggling to get a grip on any coherent narrative from either side or believe/buy in to what is being promoted? I have factored in my own evident idiocy and ignorance to such thoughts! More like a soap opera on here, a very predictable one, than a football forum!

C'est la vie! I'll duck out for now.

I think that’s a reasonable post but at the same time I also think the facts speak for themselves if you really start to pay attention.

 

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Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 11 Aug 22 9.48pm Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

Unfortunately, there are very few facts. Just perspectives, slanted/redacted statistics and evasive wording. Just like the HoC really,. . .

 


I disengage, I turn the page.

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 11 Aug 22 11.18pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by eaglesdare

An old but still valid exuse.

How cowardly is that? Risk our children so I am protected. Pretty selfish to be honest! Get you vax and wear you mask by all means. But dont risk the lives of our children on something they do not need.

my 90 year old grand mother who is unvaxxed loves hugging her unvaccinated children.

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When the risk is entirely mythical nonsense it isn’t the least cowardly. It’s responsible behaviour.

Some elderly are very vulnerable. Do you think they can just be disregarded?

Have a word with your grandmother. That’s not wise behaviour.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 11 Aug 22 11.25pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

I travelled to Europe on an aircraft, a couple of months ago, there was NO mandatory requirement to wear a face covering on the aircrafts and all the passengers I saw were not wearing a mask.
Same situation for members of my family who recently visited Spain.

I am certainly NOT spending a significant amount of money, travelling to and from Australia with a mask attached to my face.

Edited by Willo (11 Aug 2022 3.09pm)

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Your values and priorities and seriously distorted. Such a small inconvenience and such a big prize. I bet your family are well impressed! Maybe though they are secretly relieved at being spared.

It’s no wonder your attitude on other things is so detached from reality.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 11 Aug 22 11.29pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by eaglesdare

I am the same I will not fly anywhere where those useless masks are a requirement for a plane, public transport, shops or even out in the open.

I infact refused to wear a mask all the way through the "pandemic"


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That attitude is beneath contempt.

It’s not a big deal to do what is asked of you, even when you disagree. That’s what living in a democracy expects of everyone.


Edited by Wisbech Eagle (12 Aug 2022 8.10am)

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 11 Aug 22 11.35pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by W12

Except that’s complete bollocks. They are stating that more people died in 3rd world countries due to things that cannot be measured by definition like “under reporting”. The same people will tell you that vaccine damage is over reported with exactly the same lack of evidence. It’s purely an appeal to authority which is a known logical fallacy and suggests you might be acting as part of the herd

By the way the “Peoples Vaccine Alliance” includes the likes of George Soros open society foundation and if you believe he has your best interest at heart then you will believe anything.

And for your slur - f*** off - you would never speak to me like that face to face

Except it isn’t complete bollocks. It’s bourne out by my own wife’s current experience and my previous knowledge.

Anyone who introduces the George Sorros nonsense into their argument has lost it, it’s total bs.

 


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