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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 11 Aug 22 11.42pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

By the way, you are a one-eyed moron not worthy to debate with.

However, for others on this site. From March 2022.

The COVID-19 death toll has been four times higher in lower-income countries than in rich ones, according to a new report published today by Oxfam on behalf of the People’s Vaccine Alliance as the world marks two years since the World Health Organization declared the pandemic.

While the pandemic has been devastating for rich countries like the US and the UK, the world’s poorest countries have been hardest hit, with women and children bearing a disproportionate burden. Lack of testing and reporting means that very large numbers of deaths due to COVID-19 go unreported, especially in the poorest countries. Modelling using measures of excess deaths estimates that 19.6 million people have died because of COVID-19, over three times the official death toll. Based on this analysis, Oxfam calculated that for every death in a high-income country, an estimated four other people have died in a low or lower-middle income country. On a per capita basis, deaths in low and lower middle-income countries are 31 percent higher than high income countries.

Apparently this was abusive to you. I finally got a yellow. Oh well.

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 11 Aug 22 11.45pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

I shall refrain from responding to a poster who attempts to goad me into a response to his barbs.Wasting your time dear chap.
Denying the "Oxygen of publicity" springs to mind.

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 11 Aug 22 11.49pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle


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That attitude is beneath contempt.

It’s not a big deal to do what is asked of you, even when you disagree. That’s what living in a democracy depends of everyone.

How about being asked to accept Trump and/or Brexit?
Which is more democratic; a Government instruction or a public vote?

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 12 Aug 22 8.21am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

I shall refrain from responding to a poster who attempts to goad me into a response to his barbs.Wasting your time dear chap.
Denying the "Oxygen of publicity" springs to mind.

I am just commenting my dear chap. Regarding it as goading suggests my points are well made and you don’t possess a cogent answer.

You carry on deciding that not wearing a mask for a few hours is more important than seeing your family and that it’s right that a small group of political activists can choose the PM.

I’ll carry on pointing out how that appears to me.

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 12 Aug 22 8.39am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

How about being asked to accept Trump and/or Brexit?
Which is more democratic; a Government instruction or a public vote?

As none of us here played any role in Trump’ election we also had no reason to either accept, or reject, him. All I have ever done is comment on the impact, the situation which led to his election and the attempt to subvert democracy in 2020.

Brexit is something else. As I believe our Parliament is sovereign I was against us holding a vote in the first place, given it’s political purpose to remove the UKIP threat to the Tories. When Parliament triggered Acticle 50 that legitimised it, but this was a failure in my view. Collectively they believed it was wrong but failed to act.

Brexit is accepted but that doesn’t mean its stupidity, which is increasingly obvious, mustn’t be pointed out and arguments made for reversal, or at least for a new “deal “ to be negotiated.

In our representative Parliamentary democracy the only public vote that matters is at a GE. Any other is advisory. Once elected Parliament is sovereign.

 


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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Online Flag Horsham 12 Aug 22 8.42am Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

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Your values and priorities and seriously distorted. Such a small inconvenience and such a big prize. I bet your family are well impressed! Maybe though they are secretly relieved at being spared.

It’s no wonder your attitude on other things is so detached from reality.

But uncalled for response imo. His attitude on other things are detached from reality, why? Because you don’t agree with them? Bit ironic coming from you

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 12 Aug 22 8.48am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

As none of us here played any role in Trump’ election we also had no reason to either accept, or reject, him. All I have ever done is comment on the impact, the situation which led to his election and the attempt to subvert democracy in 2020.

Brexit is something else. As I believe our Parliament is sovereign I was against us holding a vote in the first place, given it’s political purpose to remove the UKIP threat to the Tories. When Parliament triggered Acticle 50 that legitimised it, but this was a failure in my view. Collectively they believed it was wrong but failed to act.

Brexit is accepted but that doesn’t mean its stupidity, which is increasingly obvious, mustn’t be pointed out and arguments made for reversal, or at least for a new “deal “ to be negotiated.

In our representative Parliamentary democracy the only public vote that matters is at a GE. Any other is advisory. Once elected Parliament is sovereign.

The new deal should be a joint adventure. Not the UK going to the EU with a begging letter. That is what you would advocate just to get back in da club!

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 12 Aug 22 9.16am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

The new deal should be a joint adventure. Not the UK going to the EU with a begging letter. That is what you would advocate just to get back in da club!

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Not at all. It’s very much in the EU’s interests to have us back onboard.

A new relationship, including the free trade deal we all expected, makes sense for everyone and would serve as a model for a number of others as well.

In these difficult days I suspect the mood to agree to this is Brussels, Berlin and Paris may well be very different to 5 years ago.

 


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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 12 Aug 22 9.24am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

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Not at all. It’s very much in the EU’s interests to have us back onboard.

A new relationship, including the free trade deal we all expected, makes sense for everyone and would serve as a model for a number of others as well.

In these difficult days I suspect the mood to agree to this is Brussels, Berlin and Paris may well be very different to 5 years ago.

Why is it in their interest then. Most remainers are pretty much stuck on the fact that they arnt affected by brexit only us!

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 12 Aug 22 9.31am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

But uncalled for response imo. His attitude on other things are detached from reality, why? Because you don’t agree with them? Bit ironic coming from you

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Do you believe having the members of the Tory Party choosing our PM is correct? I don’t and, in my view, anyone who does is detached from the reality I know.

I have not heard any kind of reasoned argument why this is sensible. Only that it is just the way it is. Which is not an argument.

Making statements but then refusing to.justify them is no way to improve things.

Taking a stand over wearing a mask for a few hours which results in families not seeing each other is just plain daft, in my book. Not my decision of course but the values deserve exposure. These people are about to choose our PM.

 


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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 12 Aug 22 9.48am Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

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Do you believe having the members of the Tory Party choosing our PM is correct? I don’t and, in my view, anyone who does is detached from the reality I know.

I have not heard any kind of reasoned argument why this is sensible. Only that it is just the way it is. Which is not an argument.

Making statements but then refusing to.justify them is no way to improve things.

Taking a stand over wearing a mask for a few hours which results in families not seeing each other is just plain daft, in my book. Not my decision of course but the values deserve exposure. These people are about to choose our PM.

Like it or not the vote is for a party to get into power not an individual, they only run as the leader of said party. It's not one bloke... or lady of course sitting around doing everything themselves. They are the figurehead of that party's campaign.

The Tories voting in the next PM is akin to a team sacking their manager and just putting in x person to run the first team for a while, it's a contingency. The Country will have the option to vote in another party at the next election and their leader with it.

As for 'taking a stand', given your contributions over time on this site, I would think of all people you'd at least respect, understand or appreciate some people's decisions to act how they consider moral or correct as opposed to just accepting their fate with absolute submission even if you subjectively think they are talking nonsense. Your anti-democratic stance is quite typical of an imploding left these days.

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Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 12 Aug 22 9.48am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Bait not taken.
Nothing more to add.

 

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