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 Wisbech Eagle  Truro Cornwall 07 Sep 19 9.55pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
You have a lot of faith in the wisdom of people doing a job for which the only qualification required is to be 18 years old. It's down to us to decide if their qualifications, experience, morality, past record and willingness to work hard meet our standards. If not, choose someone else.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 07 Sep 19 9.56pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Corbyn could have instructed on how his lot voted. Of course he couldn't. He has voted against the party whip countless times himself.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 07 Sep 19 10.03pm |
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Originally posted by chris123
But there is a deal, agreed with the EU. It's Parliament has not backed it - three times. I know and I wonder if they now regret it. It would not surprise me to see it put back on the table by Johnson with a small change of words here and there. Having lost his majority and dumped 21 MPs himself his reliance on the DUP is now meaningless. So he may well throw them under the bus and agree to a "backstop" arrangement in new clothes. There are rumours that discussions about this are underway between London and Dublin right now. He needs a "deal" or he is going to be toast very soon. His mind may well now be very focused.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 07 Sep 19 10.10pm |
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Originally posted by dannyboy1978
So what your saying is the representatives gave us a referendum so we could leave. They then voted for artical 50 in order to leave. Then block brexit every way they can. Edited by dannyboy1978 (07 Sep 2019 2.44pm) The called a referendum to quieten the eurosceptics and end the threat of Farage and UKIP. It went wrong. Nevertheless they tried to honour the commitment they had given to respect the result and worked to achieve an exit deal. No-one though anticipated the border problems in Ireland and the concerns that these might result in a return to violence. So far these have been a barrier to an agreement that no-one has found the solution to. Leaving without a formal agreement doesn't solve that problem. No-one voted to leave in a way that creates problems. Parliament is not trying to frustrate Brexit at all. It is trying to avoid a situation no-one voted for.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 07 Sep 19 10.15pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
This is not rocket science, you do not take it off the table if you want to negotiate a good deal You do if you know it will harm your country, have no other viable alternatives ready and, if you don't take it off, it will happen by default. Playing bluff when everyone knows that you hold a weak hand is no way to win anything.
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| Stirlingsays 07 Sep 19 10.15pm |
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Originally posted by Jimenez
Yep, stand firm Johnson and remake the Tories at the general election as the Brexit party and be done with these back stabbing fifth columnists once and for all. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Sep 2019 10.16pm)
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| Maine Eagle USA 07 Sep 19 10.15pm |
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Another one bites the dust over Boris Johnson, the career buffoon and liar, and Dominic Cummings, terminal c***, and their disastrous strategy or lack thereof. Anyone who thinks the conservative party is better off without seasoned, intelligent, reasonable, moderate thinkers like Ken Clarke, is a tit. [Tweet Link]
Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha. |
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| Stirlingsays 07 Sep 19 10.17pm |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
Another one bites the dust over Boris Johnson, the career buffoon and liar, and Dominic Cummings, terminal c***, and their disastrous strategy or lack thereof. Anyone who thinks the conservative party is better off without seasoned, intelligent, reasonable, moderate thinkers like Ken Clarke, is a tit. [Tweet Link]
When we have an election I think we will see who the tit is.
'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen) |
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| Maine Eagle USA 07 Sep 19 10.18pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Yep, stand firm Johnson and remake the Tories at the general election as the Brexit party and be done with these back stabbing fifth columnists once and for all. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Sep 2019 10.16pm) LMAO Stirley. Stand firm? On what? A platform of quicksand? He has nothing to stand on. His strategy has been exposed for the short sighted crap it was always going to be from such luminaries as Dominic Cummings. He is a lame duck PM who will be forced to either break the law or ask for an extension, over his own dead body in a ditch I assume.....or resign in disgrace and ignominy. Corbyn now holds all the cards, and he didnt even have to do anything. Johnson showing what a clown he is once again.
Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha. |
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| Maine Eagle USA 07 Sep 19 10.19pm |
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You mean when Jeremy Corbyn allows the tory party to have an election.....LMAO.
Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha. |
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| Stirlingsays 07 Sep 19 10.31pm |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
You mean when Jeremy Corbyn allows the tory party to have an election.....LMAO. If you think Corbyn holds all the cards then perhaps your knowledge of tits is still at the dummy stage.
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| Maine Eagle USA 07 Sep 19 10.39pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
If you think Corbyn holds all the cards then perhaps your knowledge of tits is still at the dummy stage. Oooh. Ouch, Stirley. Not your best work here. Weak, weak come back for you, Stirley. You dont have a leg to stand on here and you know it. In that regard you are in much the same bind as the PM. He cannot pass any legislation in the house, he has a negative majority. He cannot break the law, as the supreme court tends to side with "the law" in court cases. Therefore his "I would rather be dead in a ditch than ask for an extension" might well become "I would rather resign". He is legally mandated to ask for an extension now, and there will now NEVER be a no deal exit. It was always a Farage mirage....a unicorn pipe dream. It died yesterday when the lords passed the Benn bill. He is clearly not trying to get a deal, as he doesnt even have a negotiation team. All ministers who joined his government, believing he wanted a deal are now quitting. He is losing cabinet ministers left and right, over his lack of actual desire to get a deal, and his removing of the whip of over 20 career politicians, some of which gave several decades of their lives to support the conservative party, has basically alienated half the entire party, maybe more. He has ZERO plays left in his play book. What can he do now? Nothing. He can only sit and wait to be legally forced to seek an extension, and wait for Corbyn to decide when the election should be. He is f***ed.
Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha. |
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 07 Sep 19 10.40pm |
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Originally posted by Jimenez
You really think this is good news? This seems pretty damning to me:- "However, I no longer believe leaving with a deal is the Government's main objective."
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| Invalid user 2019 07 Sep 19 10.41pm |
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I can't keep up with these twists and turns every time I turn on the TV. My popcorn supply is rapidly depleting.
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| Stirlingsays 07 Sep 19 10.54pm |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
Oooh. Ouch, Stirley. Not your best work here. Weak, weak come back for you, Stirley. You dont have a leg to stand on here and you know it. In that regard you are in much the same bind as the PM. He cannot pass any legislation in the house, he has a negative majority. He cannot break the law, as the supreme court tends to side with "the law" in court cases. Therefore his "I would rather be dead in a ditch than ask for an extension" might well become "I would rather resign". He is legally mandated to ask for an extension now, and there will now NEVER be a no deal exit. It was always a Farage mirage....a unicorn pipe dream. It died yesterday when the lords passed the Benn bill. He is clearly not trying to get a deal, as he doesnt even have a negotiation team. All ministers who joined his government, believing he wanted a deal are now quitting. He is losing cabinet ministers left and right, over his lack of actual desire to get a deal, and his removing of the whip of over 20 career politicians, some of which gave several decades of their lives to support the conservative party, has basically alienated half the entire party, maybe more. He has ZERO plays left in his play book. What can he do now? Nothing. He can only sit and wait to be legally forced to seek an extension, and wait for Corbyn to decide when the election should be. He is f***ed. He isn't. He can't be forced to make a deal....Let them try to send him to jail and see what that does.....Or he can step down.....We will see what Cummings does. What we are seeing is a battle within the Tory party. If the remainers win the party is destroyed and the Brexit party will rise but Corbyn will become Prime Minister. All the leavers need is for Johnson to get an election. Keep sucking on the dummy.
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| Maine Eagle USA 07 Sep 19 11.13pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
He isn't. He can't be forced to make a deal....Let them try to send him to jail and see what that does.....Or he can step down.....We will see what Cummings does. What we are seeing is a battle within the Tory party. If the remainers win the party is destroyed and the Brexit party will rise but Corbyn will become Prime Minister. All the leavers need is for Johnson to get an election. Keep sucking on the dummy. Hrolf did proposition me but as I keep telling him I dont favor noshing on a beef injection. Joking aside, You are correct that he cannot be forced to make a deal, but does it trouble you that he is a complete f***ing liar, and used the excuse of wanting negotiating power for getting a deal, as to why no deal should not be ruled out? Then Cummings shoots the boss in the foot when he admits its all a sham. Go to jail or be forced to resign. Some set of options for the master tactician! f***ing hell. If the ERG win the party is destroyed aswell Stirly. Honestly if those 20 odd tories dont get the whip back the writing is already on the wall.
Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha. |
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| Stirlingsays 07 Sep 19 11.28pm |
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Originally posted by dollardays
From a strategic point of view, with May being a three year long dancing dud, I can see where the 'my way or the high way' approach of Boris comes in. How else could he have played it? Granted there has been a reaction, especially from within his own party, and so the solution lies at the ballet box sometime soon I would think. A negative from the government is that they're making themselves look like a mess right now. A positive, that Jeremy Corbyn is unpopular to an almost unbelievable level. It may well still end up being a toss up though. Unpredictable times. Yep, I agree, the Tory party has to be either remain or leave and I suppose we are witnessing that 'end times' battle for its soul right here and now. Whoever wins has to remake the party in its image.
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| Stirlingsays 07 Sep 19 11.31pm |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
If the ERG win the party is destroyed aswell Stirly. Honestly if those 20 odd tories dont get the whip back the writing is already on the wall. As most of the Troy party grass roots are much nearer to ERG than remain....I'm not seeing that personally. If the Tory party remakes itself as a reluctant 'no deal' party it has a good chance.
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| Maine Eagle USA 07 Sep 19 11.32pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
As most of the Troy party grass roots are much nearer to ERG than remain....I'm not seeing that personally. If the Tory party remakes itself as a reluctant 'no deal' party it has a good chance. What makes you think that exactly?
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