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Stirlingsays 07 Sep 19 11.36pm
Originally posted by Maine Eagle Joking aside, You are correct that he cannot be forced to make a deal, but does it trouble you that he is a complete f***ing liar, and used the excuse of wanting negotiating power for getting a deal, as to why no deal should not be ruled out? I'm finding the whole thing rather entertaining dear boy.....Even if it all goes completely against what I want I won't be that upset. I came to a rather fatalistic conclusion about things a while back.....It's all a bit like the end of the 'Last Samurai'. I hope I'm wrong of course but regardless of which way the chips fall on this matter....I'm not going to get that animated over what I can't control. I just like the debate....with the occasional joke. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

07 Sep 19 11.36pm

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

Joking aside, You are correct that he cannot be forced to make a deal, but does it trouble you that he is a complete f***ing liar, and used the excuse of wanting negotiating power for getting a deal, as to why no deal should not be ruled out?

I'm finding the whole thing rather entertaining dear boy.....Even if it all goes completely against what I want I won't be that upset.

I came to a rather fatalistic conclusion about things a while back.....It's all a bit like the end of the 'Last Samurai'.

I hope I'm wrong of course but regardless of which way the chips fall on this matter....I'm not going to get that animated over what I can't control.

I just like the debate....with the occasional joke.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays 07 Sep 19 11.39pm
Originally posted by Maine Eagle What makes you think that exactly? If I remember correctly it was their polling on the EU. The grass roots are a large majority Euroskeptic....as you would expect....Just as the Labour grass roots are large majority pro EU. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

07 Sep 19 11.39pm

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

What makes you think that exactly?

If I remember correctly it was their polling on the EU.

The grass roots are a large majority Euroskeptic....as you would expect....Just as the Labour grass roots are large majority pro EU.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Teddy Eagle 07 Sep 19 11.59pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle It's down to us to decide if their qualifications, experience, morality, past record and willingness to work hard meet our standards. If not, choose someone else. Its been proven that in many areas literally anyone will be elected according to the party they represent regardless of their ability or aptitude. There are several people in the H o C who frankly I wouldn’t trust to run a bath let alone make decisions of national importance.

Teddy Eagle

07 Sep 19 11.59pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It's down to us to decide if their qualifications, experience, morality, past record and willingness to work hard meet our standards. If not, choose someone else.

Its been proven that in many areas literally anyone will be elected according to the party they represent regardless of their ability or aptitude. There are several people in the H o C who frankly I wouldn’t trust to run a bath let alone make decisions of national importance.

Invalid user 2019 08 Sep 19 1.36am
Latest Poll Westminster voting intention: "A General Election is held after extending the Brexit deadline beyond the 31st of October 2019": LAB: 28% CON: 26% LDEM: 20% BREX: 17% GRN: 4% via @ComRes, 04 - 06 Sep A bit of a shift from CON to BREX again Previous poll CON: 30% LAB: 27% LDEM: 21% BREX: 14% GRN: 3%

Invalid user 2019

08 Sep 19 1.36am

Latest Poll

Westminster voting intention: "A General Election is held after extending the Brexit deadline beyond the 31st of October 2019": LAB: 28% CON: 26% LDEM: 20% BREX: 17% GRN: 4% via @ComRes, 04 - 06 Sep

A bit of a shift from CON to BREX again

Previous poll

CON: 30% LAB: 27% LDEM: 21% BREX: 14% GRN: 3%

Maine Eagle USA 08 Sep 19 2.42am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays If I remember correctly it was their polling on the EU. The grass roots are a large majority Euroskeptic....as you would expect....Just as the Labour grass roots are large majority pro EU. We shall see about that. I think many, many conservatives are uneasy with the current direction, especially the whip removal from the likes of Churchill's grandson, the former chancellor, and Kenneth Clarke, to name but a few. Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

Maine Eagle

USA 08 Sep 19 2.42am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

If I remember correctly it was their polling on the EU.

The grass roots are a large majority Euroskeptic....as you would expect....Just as the Labour grass roots are large majority pro EU.

We shall see about that.

I think many, many conservatives are uneasy with the current direction, especially the whip removal from the likes of Churchill's grandson, the former chancellor, and Kenneth Clarke, to name but a few.

Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

Stirlingsays 08 Sep 19 3.01am
Originally posted by Maine Eagle We shall see about that. I think many, many conservatives are uneasy with the current direction, especially the whip removal from the likes of Churchill's grandson, the former chancellor, and Kenneth Clarke, to name but a few. Thank god they are gone and we certainly shall. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

08 Sep 19 3.01am

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

We shall see about that.

Thank god they are gone and we certainly shall.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

dannyboy1978 08 Sep 19 6.41am
These remoaners should have left a long time ago. The government needs to be united in its task ahead.

dannyboy1978

08 Sep 19 6.41am

These remoaners should have left a long time ago. The government needs to be united in its task ahead.

dannyboy1978 08 Sep 19 6.53am
So hypocritical [Link]

dannyboy1978

08 Sep 19 6.53am

So hypocritical
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mezzer Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 08 Sep 19 6.58am
Originally posted by dollardays From a strategic point of view, with May being a three year long dancing dud, I can see where the 'my way or the high way' approach of Boris comes in. How else could he have played it? Granted there has been a reaction, especially from within his own party, and so the solution lies at the ballet box sometime soon I would think. A negative from the government is that they're making themselves look like a mess right now. A positive, that Jeremy Corbyn is unpopular to an almost unbelievable level. It may well still end up being a toss up though. Unpredictable times. The ballet box. Good name for how we vote for who goes into that Nutcracker Suite that is Westminster. Living down here does have some advantages. At least you can see them cry.

mezzer

Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 08 Sep 19 6.58am

Originally posted by dollardays

From a strategic point of view, with May being a three year long dancing dud, I can see where the 'my way or the high way' approach of Boris comes in. How else could he have played it? Granted there has been a reaction, especially from within his own party, and so the solution lies at the ballet box sometime soon I would think.

A negative from the government is that they're making themselves look like a mess right now. A positive, that Jeremy Corbyn is unpopular to an almost unbelievable level. It may well still end up being a toss up though. Unpredictable times.

The ballet box. Good name for how we vote for who goes into that Nutcracker Suite that is Westminster.

Living down here does have some advantages. At least you can see them cry.

dannyboy1978 08 Sep 19 7.03am
"Anti-Brexit MP Anna Soubry, who leads the Independent Group for Change, said she had been due to speak at the March for Change rally in London but told organisers she was too frightened to do so, after consulting with police. " And it's all starting, this will nothing compares to what will happen if we don't leave. BBC News - Brexit: MPs willing to go to court to enforce delay [Link] Edited by dannyboy1978 (08 Sep 2019 7.04am)

dannyboy1978

08 Sep 19 7.03am

"Anti-Brexit MP Anna Soubry, who leads the Independent Group for Change, said she had been due to speak at the March for Change rally in London but told organisers she was too frightened to do so, after consulting with police. "

And it's all starting, this will nothing compares to what will happen if we don't leave.

BBC News - Brexit: MPs willing to go to court to enforce delay
[Link]

Edited by dannyboy1978 (08 Sep 2019 7.04am)

Badger11 Beckenham 08 Sep 19 7.47am
Amber Rudd has gone, good and if there are any more rebels out their put up or shut up. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 08 Sep 19 7.47am

Amber Rudd has gone, good and if there are any more rebels out their put up or shut up.

One more point

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 08 Sep 19 8.24am
Originally posted by dannyboy1978 "Anti-Brexit MP Anna Soubry, who leads the Independent Group for Change, said she had been due to speak at the March for Change rally in London but told organisers she was too frightened to do so, after consulting with police. " And it's all starting, this will nothing compares to what will happen if we don't leave. BBC News - Brexit: MPs willing to go to court to enforce delay [Link] Edited by dannyboy1978 (08 Sep 2019 7.04am) Do you believe in Parliamentary democracy as a way to avoid the "rule of the mob" and/or the "tyranny of the majority" ? Do you believe in free speech? Do you believe in the rule of law? Do you believe that your opinion matters more than others? For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 08 Sep 19 8.24am

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

And it's all starting, this will nothing compares to what will happen if we don't leave.

BBC News - Brexit: MPs willing to go to court to enforce delay
[Link]

Edited by dannyboy1978 (08 Sep 2019 7.04am)

Do you believe in Parliamentary democracy as a way to avoid the "rule of the mob" and/or the "tyranny of the majority" ?

Do you believe in free speech?

Do you believe in the rule of law?

Do you believe that your opinion matters more than others?

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 08 Sep 19 8.28am
Originally posted by Badger11 Amber Rudd has gone, good and if there are any more rebels out their put up or shut up. I think most will agree that the sooner that everyone can see that the current Tory Party is in the process of morphing into a blue rinsed version of the Brexit Party the better, so the quicker the many decent "one nation" Tories detach themselves the better. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 08 Sep 19 8.28am

Originally posted by Badger11

Amber Rudd has gone, good and if there are any more rebels out their put up or shut up.

I think most will agree that the sooner that everyone can see that the current Tory Party is in the process of morphing into a blue rinsed version of the Brexit Party the better, so the quicker the many decent "one nation" Tories detach themselves the better.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Midlands Eagle 08 Sep 19 8.35am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Do you believe in Parliamentary democracy as a way to avoid the "rule of the mob" and/or the "tyranny of the majority" ? As long as our parliamentary representatives vote in accordance with their party manifesto Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Do you believe in free speech? There is no free speech in this country Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Do you believe in the rule of law? I used to but I'm not so sure any more Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Do you believe that your opinion matters more than others? You obviously do

Midlands Eagle

08 Sep 19 8.35am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Do you believe in Parliamentary democracy as a way to avoid the "rule of the mob" and/or the "tyranny of the majority" ?

As long as our parliamentary representatives vote in accordance with their party manifesto

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Do you believe in free speech?

There is no free speech in this country

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Do you believe in the rule of law?

I used to but I'm not so sure any more

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Do you believe that your opinion matters more than others?

You obviously do

Badger11 Beckenham 08 Sep 19 8.43am
Interesting article by David Starkey I have previously compared the current situation in parliament to the era of Cromwell and it would appear that David Starkey is also drawing parallels. [Link] One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 08 Sep 19 8.43am

Interesting article by David Starkey I have previously compared the current situation in parliament to the era of Cromwell and it would appear that David Starkey is also drawing parallels.

[Link]

One more point

Badger11 Beckenham 08 Sep 19 9.34am
I think there is still a legal way for Boris to avoid asking for an extension some of the papers have speculated that he will resign as PM. I think this is how the idea would work: Boris hangs on for as long as possible until the deadline for him to ask for an extension. At this point he resigns as PM but not as party leader. The Tories decline to nominate a new PM. The opposition cry foul and Corbyn privately asks her Maj to make him PM. Her Maj says yes but you have to prove to me that you can form a government first. Corbyn has no choice but to call for a vote of confidence in him as PM. The so called loyal Tory rebels and other parties will then have to decide if they want to support a Corbyn led government. If he loses Parliament is still in deadlock and without a PM. At this point having defeated the government on what Boris called a vote of no confidence and having failed to win a vote of confidence the logical action is a GE. This would then be after Oct 31. If the opposition fail to call a GE then Parliament would limp along for another couple of weeks until the deadline has passed. During this time of course the opposition would be trying to find ways to get an extension. If Boris succeeds then post Oct 31 he asks the Queen to be PM again and probably asks parliament for a GE. It's a theory and no doubt the opposition will have a few tricks up their sleeve so no guarantee. It does mean that Boris doesn't have to break the law. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 08 Sep 19 9.34am

I think there is still a legal way for Boris to avoid asking for an extension some of the papers have speculated that he will resign as PM.

I think this is how the idea would work:

Boris hangs on for as long as possible until the deadline for him to ask for an extension. At this point he resigns as PM but not as party leader.

The Tories decline to nominate a new PM.

The opposition cry foul and Corbyn privately asks her Maj to make him PM. Her Maj says yes but you have to prove to me that you can form a government first.

Corbyn has no choice but to call for a vote of confidence in him as PM. The so called loyal Tory rebels and other parties will then have to decide if they want to support a Corbyn led government.

If he loses Parliament is still in deadlock and without a PM. At this point having defeated the government on what Boris called a vote of no confidence and having failed to win a vote of confidence the logical action is a GE. This would then be after Oct 31.

If the opposition fail to call a GE then Parliament would limp along for another couple of weeks until the deadline has passed. During this time of course the opposition would be trying to find ways to get an extension.

If Boris succeeds then post Oct 31 he asks the Queen to be PM again and probably asks parliament for a GE.

It's a theory and no doubt the opposition will have a few tricks up their sleeve so no guarantee. It does mean that Boris doesn't have to break the law.

One more point

chris123 hove actually 08 Sep 19 9.53am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I really regret having to say this yet again but voters don't give MPs "instructions". They vote in people to represent the constituency they happen to live in who then take decisions that they believe are in their collective best interests. That includes not just those who voted for them, but those who voted against them, those who did not vote and those who could not vote because they were too young. The latter's interests being particularly important. This idea that just because the Leave vote got a few more votes than Remain means that everyone else's interests must be disregarded needs to be erased really soon if we are ever going to make any progress. This is a bit Edmund Burkish again.

chris123

hove actually 08 Sep 19 9.53am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I really regret having to say this yet again but voters don't give MPs "instructions". They vote in people to represent the constituency they happen to live in who then take decisions that they believe are in their collective best interests. That includes not just those who voted for them, but those who voted against them, those who did not vote and those who could not vote because they were too young. The latter's interests being particularly important.

This idea that just because the Leave vote got a few more votes than Remain means that everyone else's interests must be disregarded needs to be erased really soon if we are ever going to make any progress.

This is a bit Edmund Burkish again.

Badger11 Beckenham 08 Sep 19 9.56am
Waiterless dining [Link] In case anyone thought that entry level jobs were not under threat from IT. You are only going to see more of this which is why we need to control the numbers and the job skills of people coming to this country. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 08 Sep 19 9.56am

Waiterless dining

[Link]

In case anyone thought that entry level jobs were not under threat from IT. You are only going to see more of this which is why we need to control the numbers and the job skills of people coming to this country.

One more point

Badger11 Beckenham 08 Sep 19 9.58am
Originally posted by chris123 This is a bit Edmund Burkish again. Indeed. Interestly David Starkey says our MPs are closer to delegates than they are representatives so Burke is no longer valid. Of course that is just his opinion. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 08 Sep 19 9.58am

Originally posted by chris123

This is a bit Edmund Burkish again.

Indeed. Interestly David Starkey says our MPs are closer to delegates than they are representatives so Burke is no longer valid.

Of course that is just his opinion.

One more point

steeleye20 Croydon 08 Sep 19 10.54am
Originally posted by Badger11 Amber Rudd has gone, good and if there are any more rebels out their put up or shut up. The problem with being in permanent conservative party bum-licking mode is the nauseating hypocrisy. If Amber Rudd had not resigned half an hour you would have been on here singing her praises.

steeleye20

Croydon 08 Sep 19 10.54am

Originally posted by Badger11

Amber Rudd has gone, good and if there are any more rebels out their put up or shut up.

The problem with being in permanent conservative party bum-licking mode is the nauseating hypocrisy.

If Amber Rudd had not resigned half an hour you would have been on here singing her praises.

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