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Midlands Eagle 08 Sep 19 10.59am
Originally posted by Badger11 Interestly David Starkey says our MPs are closer to delegates than they are representatives so Burke is no longer valid. Why should his pronouncements still be valid as almost everything in life has changed since he was around 250 years ago

Midlands Eagle

08 Sep 19 10.59am

Originally posted by Badger11

Interestly David Starkey says our MPs are closer to delegates than they are representatives so Burke is no longer valid.

Why should his pronouncements still be valid as almost everything in life has changed since he was around 250 years ago

Invalid user 2019 08 Sep 19 11.02am
I heard that if the Conservatives placed a no confidence motion against Boris, they would just need a simple majority to get to an election. That would obviously be a rather unorthodox way of getting to that point, but I expect we'll be seeing lots of unprecedented moves from across the political spectrum over the coming weeks, so it's hard to rule anything out. That said a November election still surely looks the most likely at this point.

Invalid user 2019

08 Sep 19 11.02am

I heard that if the Conservatives placed a no confidence motion against Boris, they would just need a simple majority to get to an election. That would obviously be a rather unorthodox way of getting to that point, but I expect we'll be seeing lots of unprecedented moves from across the political spectrum over the coming weeks, so it's hard to rule anything out.

That said a November election still surely looks the most likely at this point.

Maine Eagle USA 08 Sep 19 11.43am
[Link] You should be in Brussels, but you’re in Morley. f***ing comedy. Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

Maine Eagle

USA 08 Sep 19 11.43am

[Link]

You should be in Brussels, but you’re in Morley.

f***ing comedy.

Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

chris123 hove actually 08 Sep 19 11.51am
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle Why should his pronouncements still be valid as almost everything in life has changed since he was around 250 years ago Well he still has one disciple on here.

chris123

hove actually 08 Sep 19 11.51am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Why should his pronouncements still be valid as almost everything in life has changed since he was around 250 years ago

Well he still has one disciple on here.

Rudi Hedman Caterham 08 Sep 19 12.17pm
Originally posted by Badger11 Waiterless dining [Link] In case anyone thought that entry level jobs were not under threat from IT. You are only going to see more of this which is why we need to control the numbers and the job skills of people coming to this country. ‘Racist and xenophobic. We should open the doors and let anyone in. Youngsters can’t get into careers at entry level? So what? Housing issues? And? We can’t get onto the housing ladder. Theres no baristas in Costa Coffee. There’s some horrible people in this country. I’m European, not British. You’ve ruined my future.’ Tell any millennial about automation and watch them do an Emily Thornberry look diagonally up left or just gaze blankly. There will be a good few moments in the future where a working relationship with the EU but not membership and they would be relieved, but that won’t happen because we’ll remain or may as well remain with whatever ‘’the EU thinks is acceptable to offer the U.K.’’ going by recent labour responses to questions. COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 08 Sep 19 12.17pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Waiterless dining

[Link]

In case anyone thought that entry level jobs were not under threat from IT. You are only going to see more of this which is why we need to control the numbers and the job skills of people coming to this country.

‘Racist and xenophobic. We should open the doors and let anyone in. Youngsters can’t get into careers at entry level? So what? Housing issues? And? We can’t get onto the housing ladder. Theres no baristas in Costa Coffee. There’s some horrible people in this country. I’m European, not British. You’ve ruined my future.’

Tell any millennial about automation and watch them do an Emily Thornberry look diagonally up left or just gaze blankly. There will be a good few moments in the future where a working relationship with the EU but not membership and they would be relieved, but that won’t happen because we’ll remain or may as well remain with whatever ‘’the EU thinks is acceptable to offer the U.K.’’ going by recent labour responses to questions.

COYP

silvertop Portishead 08 Sep 19 12.54pm
Originally posted by Badger11 Waiterless dining [Link] In case anyone thought that entry level jobs were not under threat from IT. You are only going to see more of this which is why we need to control the numbers and the job skills of people coming to this country. Jesus wept. Economic migrants follow the work. No work no migrants.

silvertop

Portishead 08 Sep 19 12.54pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Waiterless dining

[Link]

Jesus wept. Economic migrants follow the work. No work no migrants.

silvertop Portishead 08 Sep 19 12.57pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 The problem with being in permanent conservative party bum-licking mode is the nauseating hypocrisy. If Amber Rudd had not resigned half an hour you would have been on here singing her praises. Hmm bigger concern a government systematically removing any alternative voice or moderating accountability

silvertop

Portishead 08 Sep 19 12.57pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

The problem with being in permanent conservative party bum-licking mode is the nauseating hypocrisy.

If Amber Rudd had not resigned half an hour you would have been on here singing her praises.

Hmm bigger concern a government systematically removing any alternative voice or moderating accountability

Mapletree Croydon 08 Sep 19 1.22pm
Originally posted by silvertop Hmm bigger concern a government systematically removing any alternative voice or moderating accountability Where Trump and Erdogan lead ...

Mapletree

Croydon 08 Sep 19 1.22pm

Originally posted by silvertop

Hmm bigger concern a government systematically removing any alternative voice or moderating accountability

Where Trump and Erdogan lead ...

Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 08 Sep 19 1.53pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Do you believe in Parliamentary democracy as a way to avoid the "rule of the mob" and/or the "tyranny of the majority" ? Do you believe in free speech? Do you believe in the rule of law? Do you believe that your opinion matters more than others? Wisbech the voice of reason amongst us plebs!! Pro USA & Israel

Jimenez

SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 08 Sep 19 1.53pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Do you believe in Parliamentary democracy as a way to avoid the "rule of the mob" and/or the "tyranny of the majority" ?

Do you believe in free speech?

Do you believe in the rule of law?

Do you believe that your opinion matters more than others?

Wisbech the voice of reason amongst us plebs!!

Pro USA & Israel

johnno42000 08 Sep 19 2.22pm
Perhaps Cummings and IDS see themselves as Cromwellian characters as they both have round heads. 'Lies to the masses as are like fly's to mollasses...they want more and more and more'

johnno42000

08 Sep 19 2.22pm

Perhaps Cummings and IDS see themselves as Cromwellian characters as they both have round heads.

'Lies to the masses as are like fly's to mollasses...they want more and more and more'

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 08 Sep 19 4.36pm
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Do you believe in Parliamentary democracy as a way to avoid the "rule of the mob" and/or the "tyranny of the majority" ? As long as our parliamentary representatives vote in accordance with their party manifesto For the umpteenth +1 time MPs are not delegates. They can decide for themselves whether they accept all aspects of a party manifesto or whether, during the course of a Parliament, it remains the correct course of action. Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Do you believe in free speech? There is no free speech in this country Of course there is. There is total freedom of speech. UNDER THE LAW. Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Do you believe in the rule of law? I used to but I'm not so sure any more Then you risk falling foul of it. Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Do you believe that your opinion matters more than others? You obviously do I most certainly don't. I believe in Parliamentary democracy. But that's no the point. I asked if you did. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 08 Sep 19 4.36pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Do you believe in Parliamentary democracy as a way to avoid the "rule of the mob" and/or the "tyranny of the majority" ?

As long as our parliamentary representatives vote in accordance with their party manifesto

For the umpteenth +1 time MPs are not delegates. They can decide for themselves whether they accept all aspects of a party manifesto or whether, during the course of a Parliament, it remains the correct course of action.

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Do you believe in free speech?

There is no free speech in this country

Of course there is. There is total freedom of speech. UNDER THE LAW.

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Do you believe in the rule of law?

I used to but I'm not so sure any more

Then you risk falling foul of it.

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Do you believe that your opinion matters more than others?

You obviously do

I most certainly don't. I believe in Parliamentary democracy. But that's no the point. I asked if you did.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 08 Sep 19 4.37pm
Originally posted by silvertop Jesus wept. Economic migrants follow the work. No work no migrants. How many of the 'boat people' get jobs in UK then?

the silurian

The garden of England.(not really) 08 Sep 19 4.37pm

Originally posted by silvertop

Jesus wept. Economic migrants follow the work. No work no migrants.

How many of the 'boat people' get jobs in UK then?

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 08 Sep 19 4.51pm
Originally posted by Badger11 Interesting article by David Starkey I have previously compared the current situation in parliament to the era of Cromwell and it would appear that David Starkey is also drawing parallels. [Link] Whilst Starkey has always had an odd view of history there have been many contributing historical factors which have resulted in the evolution of the Parliamentary system we have today. It actually doesn't matter too much how we got here. What matters is that we did and that it works. It protects minorities. It separates the political leadership from the armed forces, so they can never be used against the people. It ensures that no PM can act against the will of Parliament as a whole. That governments govern only with the consent of Parliament ensures we cannot have a dictatorship. We need to fervently protect this institution and not dump it in a ditch just to suit any particular political viewpoint. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 08 Sep 19 4.51pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Interesting article by David Starkey I have previously compared the current situation in parliament to the era of Cromwell and it would appear that David Starkey is also drawing parallels.

[Link]

Whilst Starkey has always had an odd view of history there have been many contributing historical factors which have resulted in the evolution of the Parliamentary system we have today.

It actually doesn't matter too much how we got here. What matters is that we did and that it works. It protects minorities. It separates the political leadership from the armed forces, so they can never be used against the people. It ensures that no PM can act against the will of Parliament as a whole. That governments govern only with the consent of Parliament ensures we cannot have a dictatorship.

We need to fervently protect this institution and not dump it in a ditch just to suit any particular political viewpoint.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 08 Sep 19 4.58pm
Originally posted by Badger11 I think there is still a legal way for Boris to avoid asking for an extension some of the papers have speculated that he will resign as PM. I think this is how the idea would work: Boris hangs on for as long as possible until the deadline for him to ask for an extension. At this point he resigns as PM but not as party leader. The Tories decline to nominate a new PM. Surely it would be at this point that a vote of no confidence would be called, which without a majority would certainly be lost by the Tories. Whether Corbyn or a short term interim PM forms a new administration is an open question but it would happen, the extension applied for a GE held in October. At least Jonson would not have asked for the extension! For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 08 Sep 19 4.58pm

Originally posted by Badger11

I think there is still a legal way for Boris to avoid asking for an extension some of the papers have speculated that he will resign as PM.

I think this is how the idea would work:

Boris hangs on for as long as possible until the deadline for him to ask for an extension. At this point he resigns as PM but not as party leader.

The Tories decline to nominate a new PM.

Surely it would be at this point that a vote of no confidence would be called, which without a majority would certainly be lost by the Tories.

Whether Corbyn or a short term interim PM forms a new administration is an open question but it would happen, the extension applied for a GE held in October.

At least Jonson would not have asked for the extension!

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Spiderman Horsham 08 Sep 19 6.27pm
Originally posted by Maine Eagle You mean when Jeremy Corbyn allows the tory party to have an election.....LMAO. How democratic. As Boris said there is only one Chlorinated chicken in Parliament!!

Spiderman

Horsham 08 Sep 19 6.27pm

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

You mean when Jeremy Corbyn allows the tory party to have an election.....LMAO.

How democratic. As Boris said there is only one Chlorinated chicken in Parliament!!

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 08 Sep 19 6.45pm
Originally posted by Spiderman How democratic. As Boris said there is only one Chlorinated chicken in Parliament!! Scripted "put downs" tested in focus groups for effectiveness are no way to run a democracy! We are seeing a government run by personal advisers whose sole role is to find ways to get around the democratic will of Parliament. No wonder that one cabinet member has already quit in disgust. How long before others follow and, if things start going obviously pear shaped, they throw Johnson under the bus, install Gove as interim PM, accept the instruction to extend, and call a GE. There are already mutterings being leaked! For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 08 Sep 19 6.45pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

How democratic. As Boris said there is only one Chlorinated chicken in Parliament!!

Scripted "put downs" tested in focus groups for effectiveness are no way to run a democracy!

We are seeing a government run by personal advisers whose sole role is to find ways to get around the democratic will of Parliament.

No wonder that one cabinet member has already quit in disgust. How long before others follow and, if things start going obviously pear shaped, they throw Johnson under the bus, install Gove as interim PM, accept the instruction to extend, and call a GE. There are already mutterings being leaked!

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Hrolf The Ganger 08 Sep 19 6.45pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I think most will agree that the sooner that everyone can see that the current Tory Party is in the process of morphing into a blue rinsed version of the Brexit Party the better, so the quicker the many decent "one nation" Tories detach themselves the better. Which part of the government trying to honour the Referendum result don't you understand? You are as daft as a box of frogs.

Hrolf The Ganger

08 Sep 19 6.45pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I think most will agree that the sooner that everyone can see that the current Tory Party is in the process of morphing into a blue rinsed version of the Brexit Party the better, so the quicker the many decent "one nation" Tories detach themselves the better.

Which part of the government trying to honour the Referendum result don't you understand?

You are as daft as a box of frogs.

the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 08 Sep 19 7.08pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Scripted "put downs" tested in focus groups for effectiveness are no way to run a democracy! We are seeing a government run by personal advisers whose sole role is to find ways to get around the democratic will of Parliament. No wonder that one cabinet member has already quit in disgust. How long before others follow and, if things start going obviously pear shaped, they throw Johnson under the bus, install Gove as interim PM, accept the instruction to extend, and call a GE. There are already mutterings being leaked! France has already said there will be NO extention!! So then what do you suggest Wisbech? Cancel Brexit altogether? Edited by the silurian (08 Sep 2019 7.10pm)

the silurian

The garden of England.(not really) 08 Sep 19 7.08pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Scripted "put downs" tested in focus groups for effectiveness are no way to run a democracy!

We are seeing a government run by personal advisers whose sole role is to find ways to get around the democratic will of Parliament.

No wonder that one cabinet member has already quit in disgust. How long before others follow and, if things start going obviously pear shaped, they throw Johnson under the bus, install Gove as interim PM, accept the instruction to extend, and call a GE. There are already mutterings being leaked!

France has already said there will be NO extention!!

So then what do you suggest Wisbech? Cancel Brexit altogether?

Edited by the silurian (08 Sep 2019 7.10pm)

steeleye20 Croydon 08 Sep 19 7.15pm
Originally posted by Spiderman How democratic. As Boris said there is only one Chlorinated chicken in Parliament!! I am afraid that is the summit of the current Prime Minister's intellectual ability.

steeleye20

Croydon 08 Sep 19 7.15pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

How democratic. As Boris said there is only one Chlorinated chicken in Parliament!!

I am afraid that is the summit of the current Prime Minister's intellectual ability.

chris123 hove actually 08 Sep 19 7.27pm
Originally posted by the silurian France has already said there will be NO extention!! So then what do you suggest Wisbech? Cancel Brexit altogether? Edited by the silurian (08 Sep 2019 7.10pm) The new commission takes over on 1st November and I don't think there is any perceived progress to justify further delay.

chris123

hove actually 08 Sep 19 7.27pm

Originally posted by the silurian

France has already said there will be NO extention!!

So then what do you suggest Wisbech? Cancel Brexit altogether?

Edited by the silurian (08 Sep 2019 7.10pm)

The new commission takes over on 1st November and I don't think there is any perceived progress to justify further delay.

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