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 gbox82  Meols, Wirral 19 Aug 16 12.31pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Labour still going downhill. They only managed a 13% increase in votes in retaining the Tooting council by-elections . A f***ing rubbish result. Corbyn out now. Not exactly sure the point you are trying to make with either of your previous posts? Or are you being sarcastic? A few hundred people voting differently (and a turnout of twenty percent) hardly proves there is a huge pro-Corbyn movement. And the BBC "stunt" is just cringeworthy... Edited by gbox82 (19 Aug 2016 12.33pm)
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| Stuk Top half 19 Aug 16 12.45pm |
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Originally posted by gbox82
Not exactly sure the point you are trying to make with either of your previous posts? Or are you being sarcastic? A few hundred people voting differently (and a turnout of twenty percent) hardly proves there is a huge pro-Corbyn movement. And the BBC "stunt" is just cringeworthy... Edited by gbox82 (19 Aug 2016 12.33pm) There isn't one, he's just bumping the thread. It's classic gusset.
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Jimenez  SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 19 Aug 16 12.53pm |
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Could you imagine this clown running the UK? Nope me neither.
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| OknotOK Cockfosters, London 19 Aug 16 12.54pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
There isn't one, he's just bumping the thread. It's classic gusset. I think it is fair to say that despite very very poor polling and media perception (and indeed my own personal perception) that Jeremy Corbyn has to date not been a disaster in terms of actual electoral results. Every by-election and local election Labour have performed relatively well and often with increased vote %. The local council elections were not good results, but were a long way off poor as well. The exception is probably the Holyrood elections, but the Labour were already being flogged in Tartan-town long before JC came along. I still think he will lead to a collapse in both the Labour popular vote and the number of MPs come the next general election. But the non-opinion poll related data to date doesn't necessarily support that conclusion.
"It's almost like a moral decision. Except not really cos noone is going to find out," Jez, Peep Show |
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| Stuk Top half 19 Aug 16 1.16pm |
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Originally posted by OknotOK
I think it is fair to say that despite very very poor polling and media perception (and indeed my own personal perception) that Jeremy Corbyn has to date not been a disaster in terms of actual electoral results. Every by-election and local election Labour have performed relatively well and often with increased vote %. The local council elections were not good results, but were a long way off poor as well. The exception is probably the Holyrood elections, but the Labour were already being flogged in Tartan-town long before JC came along. I still think he will lead to a collapse in both the Labour popular vote and the number of MPs come the next general election. But the non-opinion poll related data to date doesn't necessarily support that conclusion. What are they going to do, keep stepping down in a very safe seat and triggering a by-election every other month so they can proclaim winning a vote? They haven't done that well at all, when they should be murdering it as the opposition between general elections. If nick didn't spam this thread with so much s*** i'd point out where I informed nick of this previously, using his own link to denounce his assertion.
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| gbox82 Meols, Wirral 19 Aug 16 3.42pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Owen Smith said this week that he would negotiate with ISIS, newsnight lead on something else. Now do you honestly believe that would have happened if Corbyn said it? The MSM would have been all over it. The Victoria Derbyshire debate this week ended with undecided Labour voters choosing between the 2 candidates. Nearly all said Corbyn. Was this widely reported? no. In fact I only found this out myself through social media. The coverage is skewed. The Owen Smith "Negotiating with isis" was blown out of all proportion, he said this after being pushed on the issue. And aren't negotiations ultimately the way to find peace? It's never going to happen anyway, isis would never agree to talks. Some "Undecided" voters decide they now want to support corbyn - why should that make the news anyway? In any case, no one questions the support that he has with its members, that was proven with the huge distance he won the leadership election. It's the fact he has very little support from its MPs... And you say the coverage is skewed, presumably you mean by the main broadcasters (including the BBC, which I know has been criticised for its apparent anti-corbyn stance) then you quote directly from two BBC sources that show support for Corbyn?!
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 Hrolf The Ganger 19 Aug 16 5.01pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Labour still going downhill. They only managed a 13% increase in votes in retaining the Tooting council by-elections . A f***ing rubbish result. Corbyn out now. You really are the gift that keeps giving.
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| Bill E Pilgrim New Addington 19 Aug 16 11.26pm |
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Originally posted by gbox82
Not exactly sure the point you are trying to make with either of your previous posts? Or are you being sarcastic? A few hundred people voting differently (and a turnout of twenty percent) hardly proves there is a huge pro-Corbyn movement. And the BBC "stunt" is just cringeworthy... Edited by gbox82 (19 Aug 2016 12.33pm) Well I don't think the MSM and its bull s*** eaters would have seen it that way if Labour lost. The fact is the most unelectable man in the universe has an ok record at elections. He is standing up against a neoliberal economic system that has been incredibly successful at making the wealthy more wealthy while making the lot of everyone else tougher. They (the wealthy) don't like it and since they own the MSM they will resist it with everything they have. The bulls*** eaters gobble up the propaganda and spew it out as their own ideas. But they have nothing to say that isn't given to them by the MSN. Nothing at all.
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| Mr_Gristle In the land of Whelk Eaters 19 Aug 16 11.37pm |
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Originally posted by Bill E Pilgrim
Well I don't think the MSM and its bull s*** eaters would have seen it that way if Labour lost. The fact is the most unelectable man in the universe has an ok record at elections. He is standing up against a neoliberal economic system that has been incredibly successful at making the wealthy more wealthy while making the lot of everyone else tougher. They (the wealthy) don't like it and since they own the MSM they will resist it with everything they have. The bulls*** eaters gobble up the propaganda and spew it out as their own ideas. But they have nothing to say that isn't given to them by the MSN. Nothing at all. Harsh.......fair.
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| gbox82 Meols, Wirral 21 Aug 16 10.20am |
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The final nail in Jezza's coffin?
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| OknotOK Cockfosters, London 23 Aug 16 11.11am |
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Originally posted by Stuk
What are they going to do, keep stepping down in a very safe seat and triggering a by-election every other month so they can proclaim winning a vote? They haven't done that well at all, when they should be murdering it as the opposition between general elections. If nick didn't spam this thread with so much s*** i'd point out where I informed nick of this previously, using his own link to denounce his assertion. I will agree that Labour should be doing better based upon the position in the electoral cycle and the fact the Tories are so $hit. But it is all relative. I still think JC will ensure a Labour loss at any national election. But he has not - to date - been an electoral disaster for Labour. They haven't done well, but they haven't done particularly badly either.
"It's almost like a moral decision. Except not really cos noone is going to find out," Jez, Peep Show |
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| OknotOK Cockfosters, London 23 Aug 16 2.14pm |
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Originally posted by Johnny Eagles
Labour is so monumentally f*cked it's untrue. It's basically a civil war. I can't help but find it all rather amusing. I can't tell whether the BBC wants to fan the flames to undermine Corbyn or wants to indulge in the same anti-authoritarian crap which means it's always promoting Russel sodding Brand. All the Momentum people sound like robots. It's all anti-austerity "four legs good" drivel (not unlike, ahem, a certain poster on here). One of them on 'Any Questions' blamed Islamic radicalisation on them closing down libraries and leisure centres. They sound like they haven't had an original thought in years. The best thing I've heard was a 'debate' on the Guardian politics podcast. An entire half hour devoted to navel-gazing and hand-wringing about the cruelty inflicted by Corbyn supporters on poor old Blairites. The head of "London Young Labour" - some bloke called Benjamin Butterworth - summed it all up for me. He said - and I promise I am not exaggerating - something along the lines of: "the problem with all this abuse on twitter is you realise just how important your phone is to your life. At first, you try to ignore the comments, but when they're coming in with all the usual messages from your friends... it just becomes impossible. It was horrendous. I was in tears more than once." And these are supposed to be the inheritors of Ernest Bevin! Or Denis Healey, who stayed calm under fire on the beaches at Anzio!! Good grief. If that's all Labour can muster in terms of its future leadership, then the sooner it collapses the better for all concerned. I don't think that criticism would be reserved for the youth of the Labour movement I'm afraid. I initially thought that the solution for Labour would be to accept when Corbyn wins the leadership election, grumble a bit but try and rally around him until he loses the GE and his supporters are forced to admit it wasn't only a right wing conspiracy that he couldn't win a general election, it was just reality. But I am becoming increasingly concerned (and it is concerning because the country needs decent political opposition, at the very least because it drives on a government to better things which the current administration needs as it flounders so badly) that it won't be enough. They're all too entrenched and they can't let go. It is just going to be bloody. Edited by OknotOK (23 Aug 2016 2.15pm)
"It's almost like a moral decision. Except not really cos noone is going to find out," Jez, Peep Show |
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| Part Time James 23 Aug 16 2.38pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
Corbyn sits on the floor for 3 hour train journey as there are no seats. Turns out they walked past empty seats to film that charade and the train staff then took them to empty seats, where they sat for the journey. Untrustworthy.
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| johnfirewall 23 Aug 16 2.56pm |
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Originally posted by Part Time James
Untrustworthy. A lot of backlash against 'media trained' politicians making certain hand gestures from supporters of a bloke who stands with his hands in his pockets.
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| Stuk Top half 23 Aug 16 4.04pm |
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Originally posted by Part Time James
Untrustworthy. At best, i'd go with liar. He got out-bearded by Branson.
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| gbox82 Meols, Wirral 23 Aug 16 4.14pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
Corbyn sits on the floor for 3 hour train journey as there are no seats. Turns out they walked past empty seats to film that charade and the train staff then took them to empty seats, where they sat for the journey. Oh dear...
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