I'm not sure any elected politicians would get in while in office.
You don't think they let democracy get in the way, do you?

I seriously don't know how you can honestly talk about a 'lack of integrity, moral standards, and normal behavior' regarding Trump after referring positively to Clinton.

Personally I don't regard these aspects as important, all that matters is how effective they are as president. Role models are for the young or weak minded...How good someone is at their job is what matters.

I didn't support the attempts to unseat Clinton just as I don't Trump.

A president should only be defeated at the ballot box.....It really has to be very serious for anything else and I couldn't care less about Clinton shagging interns or Trump's tax returns or bagging pros.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Agreed, hence the portrait of Andrew Jackson hanging on his wall.
Pretty much every dollar collected in taxes goes to pay the interest, NOT the principle(!) on the debt that the US owes to The Fed. This is absolute bloody madness and we have the same problem here!

Who are these people that can print money from thin-air and 'sell' it to us with interest added! How exactly does that work? (Feel free to explain)
These parasites are sucking us, their hosts, dry...........hence we all continue to be poorer than those we've followed ie one average wage was for decades sufficient for one average family to live an average life. As you all know, this is no longer the case and it'll continue to get worse for those who follow us.

Time for a change.

Buy Litecoin.

I really dont know how someone can objectively look at Trump, his twitter tirades and meltdowns, his MAGA rally performances, his verbal diarrhea, his outrageous lack of graciousness and class (going after McCain 7 months after he died, getting into a spat with the father of a recently deceased soldier, to name 2 of 20000 occasions)....

And honestly tell me you think he displays better behavior, integrity and moral fiber than Bill Clinton.

I watch a lot of Trump, and it is not close.

We have to agree to disagree, as we are very, very far apart on this one.

And for the record I believe this absolutely does affect his effectiveness as president.

Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

Well, we have the similar disease of getting annoyed about things of which we have no control. They are just on different topics.

I don't do the moral point scoring that you do. I'm not saying that it doesn't matter at all but for me.....It's of secondary value.

I've heard Christopher Hitchens talk about the Clintons a lot and he disliked them, even writing a book about it.....but while I thought Clinton made really bad decisions in government on foreign policy and affirmative action programmes I regarded his presidency as relatively good economically.

When it comes to the Trump effort so far.....I have to say, he's been doing better than I expected.

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'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

I am starting to think you don’t really follow enough of the news and events in the USA, to be truly informed about what happens here in my home country.

I do.

I don’t think it is a fact that Clinton sexually assaulted multiple women while president, that is a wild accusation that you cannot back up.

Ironic you spoke of character assassiniations as you really have a hard on for bubba don’t you.

It is pretty boring having a back and forth with you. I enjoy debating the other guys who post here, but not really with you, so I probably won’t bother in the future. FYI on that one.

Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

I definitely understand the argument regarding personal conduct and behavior being secondary to presidential performance, and not being related, but I do disagree there.

Honestly this is the biggest difference between trump fans and trump detractors. To many here his conduct is simply reprehensible and they are terribly embarrassed to be represented by such a man. That’s before we even get to policy. Far more though, of course, delight in his unconventional and bizarre ways.

I have the feeling that history will not look kindly upon Trump, but that is just an opinion.

One thing about him is he doesn’t know how to take a win, he finally gets a positive outcome on the Mueller report and blows it the next day by going after Obamacare. He is impulsive and just cannot help himself, which is a strength in some ways but a weakness also.

Regarding his performance so far, I think some people thought the world would implode when he took office, which it hasn’t.

He is dangerous though, and sets a bad example of leadership on the most divisive issues. The potus has to not just appease and appeal to his base, he needs to bring disparate groups together, but he just cannot do that.

Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

So you live in the US and I don't, therefore my opinion counts for nothing. What a ridiculous statement. Have you heard of the internet? So if that's the case, why do you think you can comment with any credibility on the Brexit thread?

The posts you have made on this thread show your utter butt hurt for Hilary losing over two years ago. Trump is doing a good job and it hurts.

You cannot hit me back with any counter-arguments over facts, so you are taking your ball home with you. Sad.

Anyone interested in learning more about the great Trump tax fiasco, see here:

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It is apparently a simple matter of law, but given this is America it will likely be years in the system and end up in the Supreme court.

I do so wonder what it is in Trump's tax returns that he so desperately wants to keep a secret. Smells a bit fishy, eh.

If your finances/taxes are above board, why refuse to release them exactly?

That doesnt do much to show his detractors that he is not a crook.

Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

No president can do that in today's America.

Disparate groups are disparate precisely because there are differences between them. Bridges are only out of self interest and always temporary on large scales.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)