Johnson really is rubbing the salt in.

First the visit to Sedgefield to meet his new Northern MP's and now flying to Estonia for a meet and greet with the troops.

Can you imagine Corbyn doing similar? LOL. The reaction of the British Army to having an IRA loving scum-bag like that turning up in their midst would be priceless.

Edited by Matov (22 Dec 2019 1.58pm)

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Report seems to confirm what a number of ex Labour MPs have been saying. That Labour did not support certain MPs and directed activists and money to the wrong areas.

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Some disgruntled ex MPs have claimed that Labour HQ was more interested in supporting their Corbyn / Momentum candidates even in areas where they had little chance of winning.

One more point

Like turkeys voting for Christmas

A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

This post is most unbecoming of a person in a role of authority.

Vive le Roy!

Oh dear. Another one with authority issues

I dread to think what you're like with someone who is genuinely in a position of authority rather than someone who just keeps an eye on a tiny internet forum

The 5 stages of grief and loss are: 1. Denial and isolation; 2. Anger; 3. Bargaining; 4. Depression; 5. Acceptance.

I am not joking when I say that people in the Labour party are going through this and are currently stuck between denial and bargaining.

The number of politicians and Labour supporters I have heard since the result who just can't accept they got it wrong.

Comments like "this was a Brexit election apart from that we would have won. Blame the MSM for their anti Corbyn bias (in 2017 those people were crowing that social media was king and the MSM was irrelevant to modern politics), our policies are popular it was our message etc."

The big gripe about Boris making it a Brexit election completely misses the point. At every election parties will focus on their strength and try to make the election about that, no doubt the Green party told people the single biggest issue is the environment and not Brexit. So if it was a Brexit election then the Labour party failed to convince the voters that the election should be about the issues they cared about.

Corbyn appears to be carrying on as if nothing serious has happened and he is showing his true colours by saying Labour are the party of resistance just like the idiots who scuffled with the police the day after the vote denying Boris was PM the "not in my name brigade".

Labour seriously need to move to the end stage acceptance but I don't think that will be possible for Corbyn supporters.

My New Year's wish is for Labour to come to it's senses and have a good think about what type of party they want to be. Are they a serious opposition with serious alternate policies and a credible leader or do they prefer to be the party of protest which only gets you so far.

One more point

The election was much simpler than many make out. We, as a nation, believe in democracy. The move to try and stall Brexit was anti-democratic and the people decided the only way to save the situation was to vote in large numbers for the one party that has promised to implement the result of the referendum. So for me it was more about democracy than Brexit. I don’t really give a damn about whether Brexit is right or wrong, quite simply put, more people thought it was right so they should prevail.

You are quite right. We do as a nation believe in democracy.

For many of us that democracy is vested solely in Parliament and we reject the whole idea of referendums playing any kind of role in complex decisions.

For us Parliament made a mistake in agreeing to hold a referendum which was intended to quieten the Eurosceptics for ever, which then went horribly wrong.

Having made that mistake they then failed to correct it.

I don't want a country which is ruled by populist sentiment. I want a country which is ruled by the calm heads of our elected representatives, acting together in our best interests, and beyond the reach of newspaper and social media influences.

So Brexit is a failure of our democracy and not a triumph of it. It marks a very dangerous turn in how we govern ourselves which will, in my opinion, be seen to have been a very big mistake in the fullness of time.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Now I appreciate you operate on a completely different intellectual level to the rest of us mere mortals, but....

You believe in Parliament and MP’s making a decision - fair enough. However what the referendum did was show that

A. There was enough of a level of support that it shouldn’t be ignored.
B. Removed political boundaries. Everyone had the right to vote and know their vote counted.

If the MP’s decide everything, then all bar about 60 constituencies have no realistic say in what happens.

'I don't want a country which is ruled by populist sentiment. I want a country which is ruled by the calm heads of our elected representatives, acting together in our best interests, and beyond the reach of newspaper and social media influences.'

Then previously claimed 'I'm not an elitist'.

Well then, there shouldn't be any problem should there? As all those elected representatives are meant to be popular with the populous to get elected.

That kind of being how democracy is meant to work.

Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Jan 2020 8.49am)

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