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Spiderman Horsham 09 Sep 19 12.42pm
Originally posted by Mapletree Well, doing a little research including Hansard I can't say James, nor Darren, appear particularly reliable in what they say. Please let me know from where this originates, presumably either a senior EU official of someone from the UK armed forces. Right at the moment this looks seriously suspect. I'm not saying you are gullible of course. Edited by Mapletree (09 Sep 2019 12.26pm) Here we go [Link]

Spiderman

Horsham 09 Sep 19 12.42pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

Well, doing a little research including Hansard I can't say James, nor Darren, appear particularly reliable in what they say.

Please let me know from where this originates, presumably either a senior EU official of someone from the UK armed forces.

Right at the moment this looks seriously suspect. I'm not saying you are gullible of course.

Edited by Mapletree (09 Sep 2019 12.26pm)

Here we go

[Link]

elgrande bedford 09 Sep 19 12.43pm
Originally posted by Spiderman Talk us through his role in the dodgy dossier or do you think the Iraq war was legal and Iraq had weapons of mass destruction Or the death of dr David Kelly. always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

elgrande

bedford 09 Sep 19 12.43pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

Talk us through his role in the dodgy dossier or do you think the Iraq war was legal and Iraq had weapons of mass destruction

Or the death of dr David Kelly.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

Spiderman Horsham 09 Sep 19 12.44pm
To help protect Europe from, amongst others, the USA. [Link]

Spiderman

Horsham 09 Sep 19 12.44pm

To help protect Europe from, amongst others, the USA.

[Link]

Spiderman Horsham 09 Sep 19 12.46pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle It was precisely just one FRENCH minister, who was then backed up by an EU official. This is just noise. How did I know you would say this

Spiderman

Horsham 09 Sep 19 12.46pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It was precisely just one FRENCH minister, who was then backed up by an EU official. This is just noise.

How did I know you would say this

Spiderman Horsham 09 Sep 19 12.47pm
Originally posted by Spiderman Talk us through his role in the dodgy dossier or do you think the Iraq war was legal and Iraq had weapons of mass destruction Still waiting Wissie

Spiderman

Horsham 09 Sep 19 12.47pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

Talk us through his role in the dodgy dossier or do you think the Iraq war was legal and Iraq had weapons of mass destruction

Still waiting Wissie

Spiderman Horsham 09 Sep 19 12.51pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle It was precisely just one FRENCH minister, who was then backed up by an EU official. This is just noise. The Chief Brexit Co-ordinator, did his comments slip your mind in your original post?

Spiderman

Horsham 09 Sep 19 12.51pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It was precisely just one FRENCH minister, who was then backed up by an EU official. This is just noise.

The Chief Brexit Co-ordinator, did his comments slip your mind in your original post?

Mapletree Croydon 09 Sep 19 12.53pm
Originally posted by Spiderman Here we go [Link] Yes, this is as predicted by Edward Heath and recommended by him in 1971 Please show me where it says the Army would swear allegiance to the EU, I can't find that particular line.

Mapletree

Croydon 09 Sep 19 12.53pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

Here we go

[Link]

Yes, this is as predicted by Edward Heath and recommended by him in 1971

Please show me where it says the Army would swear allegiance to the EU, I can't find that particular line.

Mapletree Croydon 09 Sep 19 12.59pm
Originally posted by Spiderman To help protect Europe from, amongst others, the USA. [Link] It may have been a good idea to read your link before posting it. Clearly it is based on an alliance, and indeed states the deployment of troops into harm’s way “remains the ultimate sovereign decision of a national government” And it isn't AGAINST the US, it states: The French president said that Europeans can no longer rely on the US to defend them in response to President Donald Trump’s decision to pull out of a landmark 1987 nuclear treaty with Russia that effectively protects Europe from nuclear weapons. It also says this is a complement to NATO.

Mapletree

Croydon 09 Sep 19 12.59pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

To help protect Europe from, amongst others, the USA.

[Link]

It may have been a good idea to read your link before posting it. Clearly it is based on an alliance, and indeed states the deployment of troops into harm’s way “remains the ultimate sovereign decision of a national government”

And it isn't AGAINST the US, it states:

The French president said that Europeans can no longer rely on the US to defend them in response to President Donald Trump’s decision to pull out of a landmark 1987 nuclear treaty with Russia that effectively protects Europe from nuclear weapons.

It also says this is a complement to NATO.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 09 Sep 19 1.00pm
Originally posted by Spiderman But didn't Cameron say it was never and will never be on the table? We may not have a choice We are a sovereign state. We always have a choice. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 09 Sep 19 1.00pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

But didn't Cameron say it was never and will never be on the table? We may not have a choice

We are a sovereign state. We always have a choice.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 09 Sep 19 1.02pm
Originally posted by Spiderman The Chief Brexit Co-ordinator, did his comments slip your mind in your original post? No. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 09 Sep 19 1.02pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

The Chief Brexit Co-ordinator, did his comments slip your mind in your original post?

No.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 09 Sep 19 1.08pm
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle It depends on how you define "professionals" I would have thought that the Chancellor of the Exchequer was a professional and he seems happy enough that No Deal won't mean the end of all life as we know it You mean the guy that one was on the Marr show yesterday getting himself so tied up even Houdini couldn't have escaped! Very professional! He wasn't even a good, let alone professional, bullsh*tter. He cannot even disguise his "I hope for an election" give away" proposals as anything other than attempted bribes. This team are a joke. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 09 Sep 19 1.08pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

It depends on how you define "professionals" I would have thought that the Chancellor of the Exchequer was a professional and he seems happy enough that No Deal won't mean the end of all life as we know it

You mean the guy that one was on the Marr show yesterday getting himself so tied up even Houdini couldn't have escaped!

Very professional!

He wasn't even a good, let alone professional, bullsh*tter.

He cannot even disguise his "I hope for an election" give away" proposals as anything other than attempted bribes.

This team are a joke.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Mapletree Croydon 09 Sep 19 1.15pm
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle It depends on how you define "professionals" I would have thought that the Chancellor of the Exchequer was a professional and he seems happy enough that No Deal won't mean the end of all life as we know it Well, there is an interesting point He sold CDOs for Deutsche Bank. They are credited with being a key driver of the financial crisis. As a 'professional' presumably he knew the risks he was taking on behalf of the less professional people to whom he sold. He is also reputed to be involved in the Dark Blue tax avoidance scheme, so at least he knows all about that. Our future is in the hands of someone with excellent judgement then. Edited by Mapletree (09 Sep 2019 1.32pm)

Mapletree

Croydon 09 Sep 19 1.15pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Well, there is an interesting point

He sold CDOs for Deutsche Bank. They are credited with being a key driver of the financial crisis. As a 'professional' presumably he knew the risks he was taking on behalf of the less professional people to whom he sold.

He is also reputed to be involved in the Dark Blue tax avoidance scheme, so at least he knows all about that.

Our future is in the hands of someone with excellent judgement then.

Edited by Mapletree (09 Sep 2019 1.32pm)

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 09 Sep 19 1.16pm
Originally posted by Spiderman Talk us through his role in the dodgy dossier or do you think the Iraq war was legal and Iraq had weapons of mass destruction Missed this! If my memory serves me correctly he was doing his job and seeking to put a positive gloss on the way the report was presented. That's what spin doctors do. I don't like them very much but the fact remains that he wasn't making policy, he was presenting it in the best possible light. And yes I do think the Iraq war was legal and that the attacks on Blair totally unjustified. I think Blair's primary role was to try to moderate Bush's responses whilst providing support. We won't really know until all the records are unsealed. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 09 Sep 19 1.16pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

Talk us through his role in the dodgy dossier or do you think the Iraq war was legal and Iraq had weapons of mass destruction

Missed this!

If my memory serves me correctly he was doing his job and seeking to put a positive gloss on the way the report was presented. That's what spin doctors do. I don't like them very much but the fact remains that he wasn't making policy, he was presenting it in the best possible light.

And yes I do think the Iraq war was legal and that the attacks on Blair totally unjustified. I think Blair's primary role was to try to moderate Bush's responses whilst providing support. We won't really know until all the records are unsealed.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Stirlingsays 09 Sep 19 1.19pm
Originally posted by Mapletree It may have been a good idea to read your link before posting it. Clearly it is based on an alliance, and indeed states the deployment of troops into harm’s way “remains the ultimate sovereign decision of a national government” And it isn't AGAINST the US, it states: The French president said that Europeans can no longer rely on the US to defend them in response to President Donald Trump’s decision to pull out of a landmark 1987 nuclear treaty with Russia that effectively protects Europe from nuclear weapons. It also says this is a complement to NATO. Which is complete and utter rubbish and is in fact anti US sentiment. Something that is very very evident, not only in the EU I might add. I completely reject it and it isn't the majority British position at all.....We have never said anything even close to what those t*** Merkel and Macron said. The idea that we would have to go along with their positions within the EU makes my skin crawl. Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Sep 2019 1.21pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

09 Sep 19 1.19pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

And it isn't AGAINST the US, it states:

The French president said that Europeans can no longer rely on the US to defend them in response to President Donald Trump’s decision to pull out of a landmark 1987 nuclear treaty with Russia that effectively protects Europe from nuclear weapons.

It also says this is a complement to NATO.

Which is complete and utter rubbish and is in fact anti US sentiment.

Something that is very very evident, not only in the EU I might add.

I completely reject it and it isn't the majority British position at all.....We have never said anything even close to what those t*** Merkel and Macron said.

The idea that we would have to go along with their positions within the EU makes my skin crawl.

Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Sep 2019 1.21pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Mapletree Croydon 09 Sep 19 1.30pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Which is complete and utter rubbish and is in fact anti US sentiment. Something that is very very evident, not only in the EU I might add. I completely reject it and it isn't the majority British position at all.....We have never said anything even close to what those t*** Merkel and Macron said. The idea that we would have to go along with their positions within the EU makes my skin crawl. Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Sep 2019 1.21pm) OK. If you don't think we need a range of ways to defend ourselves and should be content to rely on just one overseas power, it is your right to hold such a view. Having worked a great deal with the MoD I hold different views. I contest the idea that the majority of British people are happy relying solely on the US for our protection.

Mapletree

Croydon 09 Sep 19 1.30pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Which is complete and utter rubbish and is in fact anti US sentiment.

Something that is very very evident, not only in the EU I might add.

I completely reject it and it isn't the majority British position at all.....We have never said anything even close to what those t*** Merkel and Macron said.

The idea that we would have to go along with their positions within the EU makes my skin crawl.

Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Sep 2019 1.21pm)

OK. If you don't think we need a range of ways to defend ourselves and should be content to rely on just one overseas power, it is your right to hold such a view.

Having worked a great deal with the MoD I hold different views.

I contest the idea that the majority of British people are happy relying solely on the US for our protection.

Stirlingsays 09 Sep 19 1.36pm
Originally posted by Mapletree OK. If you don't think we need a range of ways to defend ourselves and should be content to rely on just one overseas power, it is your right to hold such a view. Having worked a great deal with the MoD I hold different views. I contest the idea that the majority of British people are happy relying solely on the US for our protection. YOU have worked with the MoD!!!! Anything good on Al Jazeera tonight is there? Fecking hell. We don't only 'rely' on the US....But you know what we also don't do....We don't frigging put our names to stupid comments by Macron and Merkel. Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Sep 2019 1.38pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

09 Sep 19 1.36pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

OK. If you don't think we need a range of ways to defend ourselves and should be content to rely on just one overseas power, it is your right to hold such a view.

Having worked a great deal with the MoD I hold different views.

I contest the idea that the majority of British people are happy relying solely on the US for our protection.

YOU have worked with the MoD!!!!

Anything good on Al Jazeera tonight is there? Fecking hell.

We don't only 'rely' on the US....But you know what we also don't do....We don't frigging put our names to stupid comments by Macron and Merkel.

Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Sep 2019 1.38pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 09 Sep 19 1.52pm
[Link] Wisbech banging on about Brexit damaging the economy '20,30,40' years down the line? Personally most people won't know what they are having for their next Sunday lunch, but would rather trust this guys forecast than his Pro USA & Israel

Jimenez

SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 09 Sep 19 1.52pm

[Link]

Wisbech banging on about Brexit damaging the economy '20,30,40' years down the line? Personally most people won't know what they are having for their next Sunday lunch, but would rather trust this guys forecast than his

Pro USA & Israel

Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 09 Sep 19 1.53pm
Originally posted by Mapletree OK. If you don't think we need a range of ways to defend ourselves and should be content to rely on just one overseas power, it is your right to hold such a view. Having worked a great deal with the MoD I hold different views. I contest the idea that the majority of British people are happy relying solely on the US for our protection. Blimey how many strings do you have on your bow? Pro USA & Israel

Jimenez

SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 09 Sep 19 1.53pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

OK. If you don't think we need a range of ways to defend ourselves and should be content to rely on just one overseas power, it is your right to hold such a view.

Having worked a great deal with the MoD I hold different views.

I contest the idea that the majority of British people are happy relying solely on the US for our protection.

Blimey how many strings do you have on your bow?

Pro USA & Israel

cryrst The garden of England 09 Sep 19 1.57pm
Originally posted by Jimenez Blimey how many strings do you have on your bow? Its like a harp obviously

cryrst

The garden of England 09 Sep 19 1.57pm

Originally posted by Jimenez

Blimey how many strings do you have on your bow?

Its like a harp obviously

SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 09 Sep 19 1.58pm
Ah Boris. His run of terrible form continues, with a lovely u-turn thrown in to the mix for good measure. No-Deal a failure of statecraft eh? Thought it was a walk in the park. Some would say a better option than a deal. Not so now according to the Brexiteers latest pin up. Well at least he was. Interesting from Farage – suggesting Mays deal could be back on the table while getting round the backstop by 'hiving' off norn iron. Can't wait to see his rabid little power hungry toad face groking back into the picture very soon. Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

SW19 CPFC

Addiscombe West 09 Sep 19 1.58pm

Ah Boris. His run of terrible form continues, with a lovely u-turn thrown in to the mix for good measure.

No-Deal a failure of statecraft eh? Thought it was a walk in the park. Some would say a better option than a deal. Not so now according to the Brexiteers latest pin up. Well at least he was.

Interesting from Farage – suggesting Mays deal could be back on the table while getting round the backstop by 'hiving' off norn iron. Can't wait to see his rabid little power hungry toad face groking back into the picture very soon.

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

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