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Hoof Hearted 24 Aug 16 10.45am

Originally posted by Stuk

At best, i'd go with liar.

He got out-bearded by Branson.

Deary me.... his judgement was suspect based on his performance to date but he's raised the bar again on public perception of his incompetence with this latest act of stupidity.

I'm guessing he was persuaded to do this by one or more of his entourage travelling with him as a great media opportunity?

If they had thought it through then maybe it could have been a success.

From what video evidence I've seen there were clearly empty seats available on that train both reserved and unreserved as he walked by them, but not enough available close enough to seat him and his companions together - however if he had booked in advance he could have reserved a section of seats, so no fault by Virgin on that score.

Apparently other passengers chose to sit on the floor by the exit doors too... Corbyn should have engaged them in conversation and negotiated with the Guard to upgrade them to 1st class BEFORE recording his cringe worthy video that was misleading about the situation he faced and the way he dealt with it. By engaging fellow travelers and the Guard he would have shown leadership and problem solving skills as well as a bit of empathy.

Instead he confirmed yet again that he doesn't possess any qualities that would satisfy the public's requirements for a statesmanlike leader of our country who could cope in a crisis and worse he has shown himself up as a liar and easily led by his companions without thinking through the consequences.

Richard Branson was fully justified in exposing Corbyn as a liar and opportunist - after all, Virgin staff did offer to upgrade him and his companions to first class which Corbyn refused to accept and yet Corbyn allowed this fake video to be released for us all to see which was attempting to unfairly defame the Virgin brand and make a political point about nationalising the railways.

You'd think this would now hand the Labour leadership contest to his opponent Owen Smith but he made himself look a prat this morning by calling for a 2nd referendum and/or General Election to ratify Brexit before we invoke article 50 and formally leave the EU.... Thereby p1ssing off over a third of Labour voters that voted leave as well as stiffening the resolve of leave supporters generally (over 50% of the electorate) never to trust Labour to carry out their wishes!

Smith also referred to Corbyn as 'some Lunatic' at a rally yesterday but tried to distance himself from the comment on R4 Today this morning.

The bookies go Corbyn 1/7 and Smith 11/2

The Labour Party is as shambolic as Dad's Army right now, good for neither use nor ornament.

Look at the state of the polls...

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The Tories are way out in front and the gap widening day by day - Labour should be in that position at this stage of the election cycle.

The Unions, Momentum and SWP have their heads in the sand about Corbyn's popularity. Yes he's popular with them and hard line left thinking Labour stalwarts, but the voting public despise him and even ridicule him.... and not at the behest of the right wing media.... they judge his actions on their merits and conclude he is a dangerous buffoon and do not trust him.

Trouble is, the lasting damage he has inflicted on Labour's standing with the voting public generally makes it hard for their party ever to recover from this and they will struggle to mount a serious challenge for power ever again. They are already dead in Scotland.

 

Part Time James Flag 24 Aug 16 10.57am

Originally posted by Stuk

At best, i'd go with liar.

He got out-bearded by Branson.

At least he isn't a bare faced liar then.

 




Stuk Flag Top half 24 Aug 16 11.51am

Originally posted by Part Time James

At least he isn't a bare faced liar then.

Very good

 


Optimistic as ever

nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 24 Aug 16 12.00pm

Absolute piffle from the anti Corbyn lot on here.

 

nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 24 Aug 16 12.01pm

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

Deary me.... his judgement was suspect based on his performance to date but he's raised the bar again on public perception of his incompetence with this latest act of stupidity.

I'm guessing he was persuaded to do this by one or more of his entourage travelling with him as a great media opportunity?

If they had thought it through then maybe it could have been a success.

From what video evidence I've seen there were clearly empty seats available on that train both reserved and unreserved as he walked by them, but not enough available close enough to seat him and his companions together - however if he had booked in advance he could have reserved a section of seats, so no fault by Virgin on that score.

Apparently other passengers chose to sit on the floor by the exit doors too... Corbyn should have engaged them in conversation and negotiated with the Guard to upgrade them to 1st class BEFORE recording his cringe worthy video that was misleading about the situation he faced and the way he dealt with it. By engaging fellow travelers and the Guard he would have shown leadership and problem solving skills as well as a bit of empathy.

Instead he confirmed yet again that he doesn't possess any qualities that would satisfy the public's requirements for a statesmanlike leader of our country who could cope in a crisis and worse he has shown himself up as a liar and easily led by his companions without thinking through the consequences.

Richard Branson was fully justified in exposing Corbyn as a liar and opportunist - after all, Virgin staff did offer to upgrade him and his companions to first class which Corbyn refused to accept and yet Corbyn allowed this fake video to be released for us all to see which was attempting to unfairly defame the Virgin brand and make a political point about nationalising the railways.

You'd think this would now hand the Labour leadership contest to his opponent Owen Smith but he made himself look a prat this morning by calling for a 2nd referendum and/or General Election to ratify Brexit before we invoke article 50 and formally leave the EU.... Thereby p1ssing off over a third of Labour voters that voted leave as well as stiffening the resolve of leave supporters generally (over 50% of the electorate) never to trust Labour to carry out their wishes!

Smith also referred to Corbyn as 'some Lunatic' at a rally yesterday but tried to distance himself from the comment on R4 Today this morning.

The bookies go Corbyn 1/7 and Smith 11/2

The Labour Party is as shambolic as Dad's Army right now, good for neither use nor ornament.

Look at the state of the polls...

[Link]

The Tories are way out in front and the gap widening day by day - Labour should be in that position at this stage of the election cycle.

The Unions, Momentum and SWP have their heads in the sand about Corbyn's popularity. Yes he's popular with them and hard line left thinking Labour stalwarts, but the voting public despise him and even ridicule him.... and not at the behest of the right wing media.... they judge his actions on their merits and conclude he is a dangerous buffoon and do not trust him.

Trouble is, the lasting damage he has inflicted on Labour's standing with the voting public generally makes it hard for their party ever to recover from this and they will struggle to mount a serious challenge for power ever again. They are already dead in Scotland.


I thought you'd left.

 

Stuk Flag Top half 24 Aug 16 1.29pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Absolute piffle from the anti Corbyn lot on here.

You've got your head in the sand.

 


Optimistic as ever

Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 24 Aug 16 1.41pm

Originally posted by nickgusset


I thought you'd left.

Nope he's right!!!

 


Pro USA & Israel

DanH Flag SW2 24 Aug 16 1.44pm

Annoying that this has totally deflected from the fact that the cost and level of service of our train network is ridiculously bad, especially when compared with other large economies.

 

npn Flag Crowborough 24 Aug 16 1.46pm

Originally posted by DanH

Annoying that this has totally deflected from the fact that the cost and level of service of our train network is ridiculously bad, especially when compared with other large economies.

Absolutely it is, unfortunately Corbyn has both made himself look a total muppet AND derailed (geddit?) the argument by seeking to get a PR win.

 

Part Time James Flag 24 Aug 16 1.51pm

There needs to be an article that says "Yeah Corbyn is a bullsh*tting liar, but the trains ARE still sh*te"

 




Part Time James Flag 24 Aug 16 1.53pm

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DanH Flag SW2 24 Aug 16 1.54pm

Originally posted by npn

Absolutely it is, unfortunately Corbyn has both made himself look a total muppet AND derailed (geddit?) the argument by seeking to get a PR win.

Indeed. Equally frustrating however that people seem genuinely more annoyed at a politician trying a bit of a PR spin - whowuddathunkit?

Also wonder what on earth Richard Branson, owner of the company with a privatised rail franchise, would stand to gain by releasing this against the person whose largest policy is to re-nationalise the railways.

 

Part Time James Flag 24 Aug 16 1.57pm

It's started to cast a bit of doubt on whether Corbyn was serious about sitting down with terrorists for a chat now. That's my main concern.

 




Stuk Flag Top half 24 Aug 16 2.02pm

Originally posted by DanH

Indeed. Equally frustrating however that people seem genuinely more annoyed at a politician trying a bit of a PR spin - whowuddathunkit?

Also wonder what on earth Richard Branson, owner of the company with a privatised rail franchise, would stand to gain by releasing this against the person whose largest policy is to re-nationalise the railways.

He asked for it:

“I say to journalists: attack public political figures, that’s OK, that’s what politics is about."

If someone denigrates your company and you can prove it, why would you not do it?

Steve Parish did it with CPFC when some journo claimed we had the worst sponsorship package in the league last year.


Edited by Stuk (24 Aug 2016 2.57pm)

 


Optimistic as ever

Johnny Eagles Flag berlin 24 Aug 16 2.09pm

Originally posted by OknotOK

I don't think that criticism would be reserved for the youth of the Labour movement I'm afraid.

I initially thought that the solution for Labour would be to accept when Corbyn wins the leadership election, grumble a bit but try and rally around him until he loses the GE and his supporters are forced to admit it wasn't only a right wing conspiracy that he couldn't win a general election, it was just reality.

But I am becoming increasingly concerned (and it is concerning because the country needs decent political opposition, at the very least because it drives on a government to better things which the current administration needs as it flounders so badly) that it won't be enough. They're all too entrenched and they can't let go. It is just going to be bloody.

Edited by OknotOK (23 Aug 2016 2.15pm)

I'm a bit bored of this statement (not getting at you personally, but it's a trope which I've heard trotted out by politicians in the media a lot recently).

While it's true in principle (an adversarial parliament DOES need an effective opposition), I don't think the corollary (ie, that Corbyan somehow makes Labour ineffective as an opposition) is true at all.

The truth is that all these so-called 'Blairites', (which is my term for all the trendy, metropolitan, centre-ground, conventional wisdom, equality-and-diversity loving people who make up so much of the parliamentary Labour party) would feel very comfortable in the Blairite Tory party. It's run by an arch-Blairite, who took over from a poor imitation of Tony Blair.

If you have Blairites running both of the largest parties in parliament (which is what all these moaning Labour MPs basically want) then have a pretend opposition, not an effective one.

The Brexit referendum showed the true divide in the UK. It's not between Tory MPs and Labour MPs (who actually agree with each other on pretty much everything) but between MPs in general and the public they are supposed to represent.

 


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Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 24 Aug 16 2.14pm

Originally posted by DanH

Indeed. Equally frustrating however that people seem genuinely more annoyed at a politician trying a bit of a PR spin - whowuddathunkit?

Also wonder what on earth Richard Branson, owner of the company with a privatised rail franchise, would stand to gain by releasing this against the person whose largest policy is to re-nationalise the railways.


Why shouldn't Branson respond? The level of coverage that video got and the fact that the railways are currently a political hot potato, he had every right to show Corbyn for what he is.

Oh and I notice you called it spin as opposed to lying

 


the dignified don't even enter in the game

nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 24 Aug 16 2.15pm

Jeremy Corbyn clearly exaggerated when he said that the train he was on was "ram-packed" in order to make his case for rail renationalisation, because he now admits that there were a few single seats available but that he didn't want his wife and his team distributed randomly throughout the train.

When there's an ongoing scandal over the Tory health secretary Jeremy Hunt's decision to bury the evidence that his 7 Days NHS agenda is unworkable and dangerous because there simply aren't enough staff it seems odd that week old train stunt is dominating the news agenda.

There couldn't really be a better example of a deliberate distraction than millions of people talking about whether there were sufficient seats on one particular train on one particular day, rather than the fact that the Tory health secretary deliberately hid the evidence that his 7 Days NHS plan was inevitably going to lead to either service reductions or dangerously overworked staff. One man sitting on a train floor is suddenly more important than the safety of millions of NHS patients!

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Part Time James Flag 24 Aug 16 2.22pm

Maybe everyone already thought Jeremy Hunt was a prick and just assumed Corbyn was just a bit kooky until now. Makes it a bit more exciting to gossip about.

 




susmik Flag PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 24 Aug 16 2.23pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Jeremy Corbyn clearly exaggerated when he said that the train he was on was "ram-packed" in order to make his case for rail renationalisation, because he now admits that there were a few single seats available but that he didn't want his wife and his team distributed randomly throughout the train.

When there's an ongoing scandal over the Tory health secretary Jeremy Hunt's decision to bury the evidence that his 7 Days NHS agenda is unworkable and dangerous because there simply aren't enough staff it seems odd that week old train stunt is dominating the news agenda.

There couldn't really be a better example of a deliberate distraction than millions of people talking about whether there were sufficient seats on one particular train on one particular day, rather than the fact that the Tory health secretary deliberately hid the evidence that his 7 Days NHS plan was inevitably going to lead to either service reductions or dangerously overworked staff. One man sitting on a train floor is suddenly more important than the safety of millions of NHS patients!

from

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But he was sat on the floor all by himself??? was his wife and team hiding in the Loo ???

 


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Part Time James Flag 24 Aug 16 2.27pm

Originally posted by susmik

But he was sat on the floor all by himself??? was his wife and team hiding in the Loo ???

Maybe he made them up too. I bet he isn't even really called Jeremy.

 




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