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Stirlingsays 22 May 17 9.03pm
Old Bert here could be writing some leftie piece version of the Daily Mail.....could call it the 'The Daily Quarter and Half Truth'. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

22 May 17 9.03pm

Old Bert here could be writing some leftie piece version of the Daily Mail.....could call it the 'The Daily Quarter and Half Truth'.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

legaleagle 22 May 17 9.09pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Old Bert here could be writing some leftie piece version of the Daily Mail.....could call it the 'The Daily Quarter and Half Truth'. What was untrue about the below and (with specificity) why? Do enlighten us... "May has form on making u-turns. The idea that she Strong and Stable is a joke. Hinkley Point Nuclear Plant May initially said the Chinese would be blocked from building it and then agreed they could build it BREXIT May campaigned for Remain during the EU referendum, arguing that Brexit would risk "Britain’s future. Our influence around the world. Our security. And our prosperity". You wouldn't know that today – Ms May is now the face of Brexit. National Insurance for self-employed workers. In Theresa May's first full Budget as Prime Minister, the Chancellor announced a rise in National Insurance for self-employed workers. The policy was panned as a White Van Tax by the press and it was pointed out that it broke a Tory manifesto pledge to never raise taxes. Days later, the policy was scrapped. Workers on boards to give them a say in decision- making. During her campaign to be leader Theresa May said she would speak for workers and work for a fairer Britain. She only outlined one policy to this effect: companies would be forced to put workers on boards to give them a say in decision-making. Shortly after she became Prime Minister it was reported that the policy had been dropped, following lobbying from businesses. Hey-presto, the Tory manifesto effectively says putting workers on boards will be optional. Holding an Election The Prime Minister and Downing Street repeatedly said she wouldn't hold an election, arguing that it would risk the stability of the country that was needed to deliver Brexit. Then, one day after MPs returned to Westminster after Easter recess, she called an emergency press conference and said she would be holding an election.

legaleagle

22 May 17 9.09pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Old Bert here could be writing some leftie piece version of the Daily Mail.....could call it the 'The Daily Quarter and Half Truth'.

What was untrue about the below and (with specificity) why?

Do enlighten us...

"May has form on making u-turns. The idea that she Strong and Stable is a joke.

Hinkley Point Nuclear Plant
May initially said the Chinese would be blocked from building it and then agreed they could build it

BREXIT
May campaigned for Remain during the EU referendum, arguing that Brexit would risk "Britain’s future. Our influence around the world. Our security. And our prosperity". You wouldn't know that today – Ms May is now the face of Brexit.

National Insurance for self-employed workers.
In Theresa May's first full Budget as Prime Minister, the Chancellor announced a rise in National Insurance for self-employed workers. The policy was panned as a White Van Tax by the press and it was pointed out that it broke a Tory manifesto pledge to never raise taxes. Days later, the policy was scrapped.

Workers on boards to give them a say in decision-
making.
During her campaign to be leader Theresa May said she would speak for workers and work for a fairer Britain. She only outlined one policy to this effect: companies would be forced to put workers on boards to give them a say in decision-making. Shortly after she became Prime Minister it was reported that the policy had been dropped, following lobbying from businesses. Hey-presto, the Tory manifesto effectively says putting workers on boards will be optional.

Holding an Election
The Prime Minister and Downing Street repeatedly said she wouldn't hold an election, arguing that it would risk the stability of the country that was needed to deliver Brexit. Then, one day after MPs returned to Westminster after Easter recess, she called an emergency press conference and said she would be holding an election.

Mr_Gristle In the land of Whelk Eaters 22 May 17 9.32pm
Originally posted by Mstrobez This interview with Andrew Neil is an absolute car crash. No wonder she won't debate, hasn't answered 1 single question. True dat. She has no policies beyond taxing the country at large to fund tax breaks for big business and the siphoning off of an ever increasing slice of an ever decreasing tax take to the same business interests under the guise of privatisation. She and her mob have been caught red-handed twice (Self employed tax in the last budget, Dementia Tax now) and yet she gets an easy ride in the press. Income tax and NI may well rise, kids lose out on free meals and vunerable elderly people face 100% tax on their estates over £100,000 should they need social care......yet the race to cut Corporation Tax doesn't stop. F**k me sideways. Edited by Mr_Gristle (22 May 2017 9.32pm) Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune)

Mr_Gristle

In the land of Whelk Eaters 22 May 17 9.32pm

Originally posted by Mstrobez

This interview with Andrew Neil is an absolute car crash. No wonder she won't debate, hasn't answered 1 single question.

True dat.

She has no policies beyond taxing the country at large to fund tax breaks for big business and the siphoning off of an ever increasing slice of an ever decreasing tax take to the same business interests under the guise of privatisation.

She and her mob have been caught red-handed twice (Self employed tax in the last budget, Dementia Tax now) and yet she gets an easy ride in the press. Income tax and NI may well rise, kids lose out on free meals and vunerable elderly people face 100% tax on their estates over £100,000 should they need social care......yet the race to cut Corporation Tax doesn't stop.

F**k me sideways.

Edited by Mr_Gristle (22 May 2017 9.32pm)

Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune)

Hansy 22 May 17 10.11pm
Only another 2.5 weeks to go, I hope everyone registered! I am very much looking forward to getting this election done with and complete good Brexit talks (Hopefully). Then we can all return to normal life, and not pretend to be expert politicians (Myself included).

Hansy

22 May 17 10.11pm

Only another 2.5 weeks to go, I hope everyone registered!

I am very much looking forward to getting this election done with and complete good Brexit talks (Hopefully). Then we can all return to normal life, and not pretend to be expert politicians (Myself included).

Hansy 22 May 17 10.20pm
Originally posted by Bert the Head May has form on making u-turns. The idea that she Strong and Stable is a joke. Corbyn has also performed U-Turns. No modern politician is great. Yet a good politician has the backing from their parties. Trident - Wanted to scrap Trident at his Party conference. Then dropped the subject from the agenda altogether. EU - Was in favour of leaving the EU. A month later reversed that statement. Privy Council - Advised he was not invited. Then said he would attend but not kneel to the Queen. Welfare - Vowed to scrap the Tory Benefit freeze. Announced scrapping the bedroom tax, cuts to housing benefit for U21s, no mention of Benefit freeze Agreed, not as huge as May. But he's not been PM. Edited by Hansy (22 May 2017 10.50pm)

Hansy

22 May 17 10.20pm

Originally posted by Bert the Head

May has form on making u-turns. The idea that she Strong and Stable is a joke.

Corbyn has also performed U-Turns. No modern politician is great. Yet a good politician has the backing from their parties.

Trident - Wanted to scrap Trident at his Party conference. Then dropped the subject from the agenda altogether.

EU - Was in favour of leaving the EU. A month later reversed that statement.

Privy Council - Advised he was not invited. Then said he would attend but not kneel to the Queen.

Welfare - Vowed to scrap the Tory Benefit freeze. Announced scrapping the bedroom tax, cuts to housing benefit for U21s, no mention of Benefit freeze

Agreed, not as huge as May. But he's not been PM.

Edited by Hansy (22 May 2017 10.50pm)

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 22 May 17 10.58pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Old Bert here could be writing some leftie piece version of the Daily Mail.....could call it the 'The Daily Quarter and Half Truth'. What was the quarter that wasn't truth in BTH's post then?

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 22 May 17 10.58pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Old Bert here could be writing some leftie piece version of the Daily Mail.....could call it the 'The Daily Quarter and Half Truth'.

What was the quarter that wasn't truth in BTH's post then?

matt_himself Matataland 23 May 17 7.22am
Originally posted by Kermit8 You'll have to remind me what the question was again but I do remember first time around it was nonsensical trolling so if you could expand on it a little so that i could engage that would be tickety-boo. Dodging again. Why can you not answer direct and simple questions, Michael? "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

matt_himself

Matataland 23 May 17 7.22am

Originally posted by Kermit8

You'll have to remind me what the question was again but I do remember first time around it was nonsensical trolling so if you could expand on it a little so that i could engage that would be tickety-boo.

Dodging again. Why can you not answer direct and simple questions, Michael?

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

Stirlingsays 23 May 17 8.15am
Originally posted by nickgusset What was the quarter that wasn't truth in BTH's post then? You get to write a sentence but I'd have to write tons on all the spin he wrote. Maybe if I feel like it later. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

23 May 17 8.15am

Originally posted by nickgusset

What was the quarter that wasn't truth in BTH's post then?

You get to write a sentence but I'd have to write tons on all the spin he wrote. Maybe if I feel like it later.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Kermit8 Hevon 23 May 17 8.18am
Originally posted by matt_himself Dodging again. Why can you not answer direct and simple questions, Michael? Why do you need my attention so much? Big chest and massive boobs [Link]

Kermit8

Hevon 23 May 17 8.18am

Originally posted by matt_himself

Dodging again. Why can you not answer direct and simple questions, Michael?

Why do you need my attention so much?

Big chest and massive boobs

[Link]

Lyons550 Shirley 23 May 17 8.41am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I totally disagree. Dementia will soon be the biggest cause of death so it needs particular attention. I don't agree that people with more money should pay more toward their health care. Why? As long as those that cannot pay are helped then that is sufficient. This system will ensure that people have help when needed and not have to give up their home. It is a brave proposal which effects traditional Tory voters and one that acknowledges that tough medicine is needed to avoid a total breakdown of care for the infirm. There's actually some evidence that Dementia is likely to drop over the coming years as a result of improved living standards and preventative care...coupled with improving medication and research. The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World

Lyons550

Shirley 23 May 17 8.41am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I totally disagree. Dementia will soon be the biggest cause of death so it needs particular attention.
I don't agree that people with more money should pay more toward their health care. Why? As long as those that cannot pay are helped then that is sufficient.

This system will ensure that people have help when needed and not have to give up their home. It is a brave proposal which effects traditional Tory voters and one that acknowledges that tough medicine is needed to avoid a total breakdown of care for the infirm.

There's actually some evidence that Dementia is likely to drop over the coming years as a result of improved living standards and preventative care...coupled with improving medication and research.

The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World

Lyons550 Shirley 23 May 17 8.43am
Originally posted by Mstrobez This interview with Andrew Neil is an absolute car crash. No wonder she won't debate, hasn't answered 1 single question. From what I saw it wasn't great at all. In some ways i bet she'll be thankful for last nights atrocities taking the focus away for 24hrs The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World

Lyons550

Shirley 23 May 17 8.43am

Originally posted by Mstrobez

This interview with Andrew Neil is an absolute car crash. No wonder she won't debate, hasn't answered 1 single question.

From what I saw it wasn't great at all. In some ways i bet she'll be thankful for last nights atrocities taking the focus away for 24hrs

The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World

croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 23 May 17 8.54am
Originally posted by Lyons550 From what I saw it wasn't great at all. In some ways i bet she'll be thankful for last nights atrocities taking the focus away for 24hrs you took the words right out of my mouth!

croydon proud

Any european country i fancy! 23 May 17 8.54am

Originally posted by Lyons550

From what I saw it wasn't great at all. In some ways i bet she'll be thankful for last nights atrocities taking the focus away for 24hrs

you took the words right out of my mouth!

CambridgeEagle Sydenham 23 May 17 8.55am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I never suggested that. OK so if it's a flat rate it's a regressive tax. So it's unfair in other words. It's a really poor idea.

CambridgeEagle

Sydenham 23 May 17 8.55am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I never suggested that.

OK so if it's a flat rate it's a regressive tax. So it's unfair in other words.

It's a really poor idea.

CambridgeEagle Sydenham 23 May 17 9.00am
Originally posted by Hansy Only another 2.5 weeks to go, I hope everyone registered! I am very much looking forward to getting this election done with and complete good Brexit talks (Hopefully). Then we can all return to normal life, and not pretend to be expert politicians (Myself included). Not forgetting there will be 3 months fewer of the 24 we had for negotiations. Hooray.

CambridgeEagle

Sydenham 23 May 17 9.00am

Originally posted by Hansy

Only another 2.5 weeks to go, I hope everyone registered!

Not forgetting there will be 3 months fewer of the 24 we had for negotiations. Hooray.

Hrolf The Ganger 23 May 17 9.03am
Originally posted by CambridgeEagle OK so if it's a flat rate it's a regressive tax. So it's unfair in other words. It's a really poor idea. How?

Hrolf The Ganger

23 May 17 9.03am

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

OK so if it's a flat rate it's a regressive tax. So it's unfair in other words.

It's a really poor idea.

How?

Hrolf The Ganger 23 May 17 9.06am
Originally posted by Lyons550 There's actually some evidence that Dementia is likely to drop over the coming years as a result of improved living standards and preventative care...coupled with improving medication and research. But while it is still a major problem, it will need funding.

Hrolf The Ganger

23 May 17 9.06am

Originally posted by Lyons550

There's actually some evidence that Dementia is likely to drop over the coming years as a result of improved living standards and preventative care...coupled with improving medication and research.

But while it is still a major problem, it will need funding.

CambridgeEagle Sydenham 23 May 17 9.08am
Originally posted by Hansy Corbyn has also performed U-Turns. No modern politician is great. Yet a good politician has the backing from their parties. Trident - Wanted to scrap Trident at his Party conference. Then dropped the subject from the agenda altogether. EU - Was in favour of leaving the EU. A month later reversed that statement. Privy Council - Advised he was not invited. Then said he would attend but not kneel to the Queen. Welfare - Vowed to scrap the Tory Benefit freeze. Announced scrapping the bedroom tax, cuts to housing benefit for U21s, no mention of Benefit freeze Agreed, not as huge as May. But he's not been PM. Edited by Hansy (22 May 2017 10.50pm) One important point to note is that Corbyn doesn't unilaterally decide on Labour policy. So he's perfectly within his rights, even as leader, to have different opinions from the policies in the manifesto. The important thing is that they are in the manifesto and will be government policy if they win. Trident has always been Labour policy despite Corbyn not being in favour, as has being pro-EU (much as it was official Tory party policy). It was interesting to see the manifesto launches and the Tories being very much Theresa and her manifesto and Labour being a manifesto from the Labour movement.

CambridgeEagle

Sydenham 23 May 17 9.08am

Originally posted by Hansy

Corbyn has also performed U-Turns. No modern politician is great. Yet a good politician has the backing from their parties.

Trident - Wanted to scrap Trident at his Party conference. Then dropped the subject from the agenda altogether.

EU - Was in favour of leaving the EU. A month later reversed that statement.

Privy Council - Advised he was not invited. Then said he would attend but not kneel to the Queen.

Welfare - Vowed to scrap the Tory Benefit freeze. Announced scrapping the bedroom tax, cuts to housing benefit for U21s, no mention of Benefit freeze

Agreed, not as huge as May. But he's not been PM.

Edited by Hansy (22 May 2017 10.50pm)

One important point to note is that Corbyn doesn't unilaterally decide on Labour policy. So he's perfectly within his rights, even as leader, to have different opinions from the policies in the manifesto. The important thing is that they are in the manifesto and will be government policy if they win. Trident has always been Labour policy despite Corbyn not being in favour, as has being pro-EU (much as it was official Tory party policy).

It was interesting to see the manifesto launches and the Tories being very much Theresa and her manifesto and Labour being a manifesto from the Labour movement.

CambridgeEagle Sydenham 23 May 17 9.10am
Originally posted by Lyons550 There's actually some evidence that Dementia is likely to drop over the coming years as a result of improved living standards and preventative care...coupled with improving medication and research. Hoping that this will solve the problem is like putting your house on red at the casino. We need a proper national social care service akin to the NHS. Not this Tory dementia tax.

CambridgeEagle

Sydenham 23 May 17 9.10am

Originally posted by Lyons550

There's actually some evidence that Dementia is likely to drop over the coming years as a result of improved living standards and preventative care...coupled with improving medication and research.

Hoping that this will solve the problem is like putting your house on red at the casino.

We need a proper national social care service akin to the NHS. Not this Tory dementia tax.

susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 23 May 17 10.08am
Originally posted by croydon proud Originally posted by Kermit8 Just don't see how it could work going by my daughter's primary. Kids aren't allowed to be on school premises before 8.35 and any that are are in 'The Breakfast Club' which has to be paid for and is not cheap. Lunch is much better, inclusive, bigger and more fun for the kids than a piece of toast and cornflakes at 8:15a.m This lot are now charging kids £1.50 or £2 just to eat their sandwiches in the dinner hall , its the free market economy, why ever not! I do not know where you dug that little gem up from because the kids down here do not pay a penny to sit in the dining hall and eat their pack lunches. Also for the £2 a day breakfast club is pretty good too as the kids get a vast choice for what they want. The reason we have to pay £2 per day is because the teachers wanted to make a bit more money for coming in early despite their great wages they get anyway! Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

susmik

PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 23 May 17 10.08am

Originally posted by croydon proud

Originally posted by Kermit8

Just don't see how it could work going by my daughter's primary. Kids aren't allowed to be on school premises before 8.35 and any that are are in 'The Breakfast Club' which has to be paid for and is not cheap.

Lunch is much better, inclusive, bigger and more fun for the kids than a piece of toast and cornflakes at 8:15a.m

This lot are now charging kids £1.50 or £2 just to eat their sandwiches in the dinner hall , its the free market economy, why ever not!

I do not know where you dug that little gem up from because the kids down here do not pay a penny to sit in the dining hall and eat their pack lunches. Also for the £2 a day breakfast club is pretty good too as the kids get a vast choice for what they want. The reason we have to pay £2 per day is because the teachers wanted to make a bit more money for coming in early despite their great wages they get anyway!

Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

Rudi Hedman Caterham 23 May 17 10.12am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger How? Because the poorer you are the more you spend, so if you're taxing mainly goods, it's more as a percentage of income the state is taking the less you earn. You'll end up with CEO's paying 10% tax, having more savings and bigger property portfolios to rent out to plebs. COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 23 May 17 10.12am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

How?

Because the poorer you are the more you spend, so if you're taxing mainly goods, it's more as a percentage of income the state is taking the less you earn. You'll end up with CEO's paying 10% tax, having more savings and bigger property portfolios to rent out to plebs.

COYP

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