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inflikted 11 Mar 23 8.49pm
Originally posted by Grumbles Jeremy Clarkson for years was on the BBC and had a column in the Sun. EDIT this is what teh BBC said about Andrew Neil's multiple discreastions. In a reply, a BBC spokesperson had written: ‘Andrew is a freelancer and his Twitter account is a personal one – the BBC is not responsible for its content.’ It continued: ‘When carrying out his responsibilities for the BBC, he always adheres to the same rules of impartiality as all other presenters.’ Edited by Grumbles (11 Mar 2023 8.48pm) Gary Lineker is a freelancer too. He doesn't just work for the BBC, he works for BT Sport and La Liga TV. How come the same rules don't apply? Milkshakes Against Fascism

inflikted

11 Mar 23 8.49pm

Originally posted by Grumbles

Jeremy Clarkson for years was on the BBC and had a column in the Sun.

EDIT this is what teh BBC said about Andrew Neil's multiple discreastions.

In a reply, a BBC spokesperson had written: ‘Andrew is a freelancer and his Twitter account is a personal one – the BBC is not responsible for its content.’

It continued: ‘When carrying out his responsibilities for the BBC, he always adheres to the same rules of impartiality as all other presenters.’

Edited by Grumbles (11 Mar 2023 8.48pm)

Gary Lineker is a freelancer too. He doesn't just work for the BBC, he works for BT Sport and La Liga TV. How come the same rules don't apply?

Milkshakes Against Fascism

Grumbles 11 Mar 23 8.50pm
Originally posted by inflikted Gary Lineker is a freelancer too. He doesn't just work for the BBC, he works for BT Sport and La Liga TV. How come the same rules don't apply? Indeed, but some never let facts get in the way of a good rant.

Grumbles 11 Mar 23 8.50pm

Originally posted by inflikted

Gary Lineker is a freelancer too. He doesn't just work for the BBC, he works for BT Sport and La Liga TV. How come the same rules don't apply?

Indeed, but some never let facts get in the way of a good rant.

SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 11 Mar 23 8.59pm
Originally posted by Grumbles Jeremy Clarkson for years was on the BBC and had a column in the Sun. EDIT this is what the BBC said about Andrew Neil's multiple discretions. In a reply, a BBC spokesperson had written: ‘Andrew is a freelancer and his Twitter account is a personal one – the BBC is not responsible for its content.’ It continued: ‘When carrying out his responsibilities for the BBC, he always adheres to the same rules of impartiality as all other presenters.’ Edited by Grumbles (11 Mar 2023 8.48pm) Edited by Grumbles (11 Mar 2023 8.49pm) Touché Reeks of a governmental tantrum resulting in puppet strings being pulled Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

SW19 CPFC

Addiscombe West 11 Mar 23 8.59pm

Originally posted by Grumbles

Jeremy Clarkson for years was on the BBC and had a column in the Sun.

EDIT this is what the BBC said about Andrew Neil's multiple discretions.

In a reply, a BBC spokesperson had written: ‘Andrew is a freelancer and his Twitter account is a personal one – the BBC is not responsible for its content.’

It continued: ‘When carrying out his responsibilities for the BBC, he always adheres to the same rules of impartiality as all other presenters.’

Edited by Grumbles (11 Mar 2023 8.48pm)

Edited by Grumbles (11 Mar 2023 8.49pm)

Touché

Reeks of a governmental tantrum resulting in puppet strings being pulled

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

Teddy Eagle 11 Mar 23 9.05pm
Originally posted by inflikted Andrew Neil, when he was on the BBC, was constantly spouting right wing rhetoric on Twitter (this as a political presenter). Alan Sugar is still hosting the Apprentice and yet goes on Twitter and urges people to vote Tory. Lineker hasn't done anything of the sort (the closest he got was saying Labour need to "bin Corbyn" which wasn't punished by the BBC). Then of course they let Fiona Bruce openly excuse domestic abuse from Stanley Johnson on Question Time on Thursday (dismissing it as a "one-off" ). Edited by inflikted (11 Mar 2023 8.45pm) Haven't the impartiality guidelines changed since Neil's time? I didn't see Question Time but it's very hard to see any excuse for domestic violence no matter who is involved.

Teddy Eagle

11 Mar 23 9.05pm

Originally posted by inflikted

Andrew Neil, when he was on the BBC, was constantly spouting right wing rhetoric on Twitter (this as a *political presenter*). Alan Sugar is still hosting the Apprentice and yet goes on Twitter and urges people to vote Tory. Lineker hasn't done anything of the sort (the closest he got was saying Labour need to "bin Corbyn" which wasn't punished by the BBC).

Then of course they let Fiona Bruce openly excuse domestic abuse from Stanley Johnson on Question Time on Thursday (dismissing it as a "one-off" ).

Edited by inflikted (11 Mar 2023 8.45pm)

Haven't the impartiality guidelines changed since Neil's time?
I didn't see Question Time but it's very hard to see any excuse for domestic violence no matter who is involved.

inflikted 11 Mar 23 9.09pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle Haven't the impartiality guidelines changed since Neil's time? I didn't see Question Time but it's very hard to see any excuse for domestic violence no matter who is involved. Well on top of that the previous chair of the BBC has been on the news saying that the impartiality rules only apply to news and current affairs presenters, which would also excuse Lineker. Milkshakes Against Fascism

inflikted

11 Mar 23 9.09pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Haven't the impartiality guidelines changed since Neil's time?
I didn't see Question Time but it's very hard to see any excuse for domestic violence no matter who is involved.

Well on top of that the previous chair of the BBC has been on the news saying that the impartiality rules only apply to news and current affairs presenters, which would also excuse Lineker.

Milkshakes Against Fascism

Teddy Eagle 11 Mar 23 9.32pm
Originally posted by inflikted Well on top of that the previous chair of the BBC has been on the news saying that the impartiality rules only apply to news and current affairs presenters, which would also excuse Lineker. I guess Lineker's high profile makes him a special case? Maybe the BBC are looking for a reason to get him off the pay roll.

Teddy Eagle

11 Mar 23 9.32pm

Originally posted by inflikted

Well on top of that the previous chair of the BBC has been on the news saying that the impartiality rules only apply to news and current affairs presenters, which would also excuse Lineker.

I guess Lineker's high profile makes him a special case?
Maybe the BBC are looking for a reason to get him off the pay roll.

inflikted 11 Mar 23 9.36pm
[Tweet Link] SNAP POLL: Britons say BBC was wrong to suspend Gary Lineker All Britons: 27% right / 53% wrong Con voters: 51% / 36% Lab voters: 10% / 75% Milkshakes Against Fascism

inflikted

11 Mar 23 9.36pm

[Tweet Link]

SNAP POLL: Britons say BBC was wrong to suspend Gary Lineker

All Britons: 27% right / 53% wrong
Con voters: 51% / 36%
Lab voters: 10% / 75%

Milkshakes Against Fascism

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 11 Mar 23 10.44pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle Surely the issue is that Lineker signed a contract with a company who don't allow it's employees to do what he did. If getting his opinion known is so important to him there are several other broadcasters who would let him tweet to his hearts content. No. There are several issues, but that's not one of them. Lineker is not an employee. He is a freelancer on a contract. None of us know what that contract says. There is a difference of opinion on what the rules about impartiality mean. Greg Dyke says they only apply to the area of your own speciality. So news and current affairs presenters should not make public political comment in their private capacity as well as on air, to ensure the BBC not only is, but is seen to be, impartial. Dyke says those rules don't apply to others, including sports presenters. Which is bourne out by the behaviour of others in the past. Taking Lineker off-air in this way creates the impression, rightly or wrongly, that the BBC is responding to government pressure. This it must never do, or we all are weakened. It will be very interesting to see how this works out. I think the BBC staff, as a whole and not just the sports department, will be hopping mad. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 11 Mar 23 10.44pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Surely the issue is that Lineker signed a contract with a company who don't allow it's employees to do what he did.
If getting his opinion known is so important to him there are several other broadcasters who would let him tweet to his hearts content.

No.

There are several issues, but that's not one of them.

Lineker is not an employee. He is a freelancer on a contract. None of us know what that contract says.

There is a difference of opinion on what the rules about impartiality mean. Greg Dyke says they only apply to the area of your own speciality. So news and current affairs presenters should not make public political comment in their private capacity as well as on air, to ensure the BBC not only is, but is seen to be, impartial. Dyke says those rules don't apply to others, including sports presenters. Which is bourne out by the behaviour of others in the past.

Taking Lineker off-air in this way creates the impression, rightly or wrongly, that the BBC is responding to government pressure. This it must never do, or we all are weakened.

It will be very interesting to see how this works out. I think the BBC staff, as a whole and not just the sports department, will be hopping mad.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

m/k mick milton keynes 11 Mar 23 10.49pm
Ask one question, and answer honestly, if Lineker had expressed an opinion, similar to J K Rowling, about trans gender or LBQT, what would be the opinion of the people who today are supporting him, hypocrites

m/k mick

milton keynes 11 Mar 23 10.49pm

Ask one question, and answer honestly, if Lineker had expressed an opinion, similar to J K Rowling, about trans gender or LBQT, what would be the opinion of the people who today are supporting him, hypocrites

Teddy Eagle 11 Mar 23 11.00pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle No. There are several issues, but that's not one of them. Lineker is not an employee. He is a freelancer on a contract. None of us know what that contract says. There is a difference of opinion on what the rules about impartiality mean. Greg Dyke says they only apply to the area of your own speciality. So news and current affairs presenters should not make public political comment in their private capacity as well as on air, to ensure the BBC not only is, but is seen to be, impartial. Dyke says those rules don't apply to others, including sports presenters. Which is bourne out by the behaviour of others in the past. Taking Lineker off-air in this way creates the impression, rightly or wrongly, that the BBC is responding to government pressure. This it must never do, or we all are weakened. It will be very interesting to see how this works out. I think the BBC staff, as a whole and not just the sports department, will be hopping mad. Over 9000 license fees go directly into Gary Lineker's pocket. The fact that the BBC's highest paid person is apparently exempt from it's own rules is ridiculous.

Teddy Eagle

11 Mar 23 11.00pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

No.

There are several issues, but that's not one of them.

Lineker is not an employee. He is a freelancer on a contract. None of us know what that contract says.

Taking Lineker off-air in this way creates the impression, rightly or wrongly, that the BBC is responding to government pressure. This it must never do, or we all are weakened.

It will be very interesting to see how this works out. I think the BBC staff, as a whole and not just the sports department, will be hopping mad.

Over 9000 license fees go directly into Gary Lineker's pocket. The fact that the BBC's highest paid person is apparently exempt from it's own rules is ridiculous.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 11 Mar 23 11.00pm
Originally posted by PalazioVecchio are you on drugs ? Lineker has alikened us to the Third Reich. an utter utter T0sser Maybe it's you who is on drugs! What he actually said was that the government are pursuing an:- "immeasurably cruel policy directed at the most vulnerable people in language that is not dissimilar to that used by Germany in the 30s". That's not comparing us to the Third Reich. He thinks the policy is cruel and goes on to describe the language being used. The rhetoric and xenophobic terminology. Not about the people or their politics. Just the language. They are fair points, which are worth discussion, despite what you and Braverman think, or whether anyone else agrees or not. It's an opinion. In a free country we thrive on opinions. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 11 Mar 23 11.00pm

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

are you on drugs ? Lineker has alikened us to the Third Reich. an utter utter T0sser

Maybe it's you who is on drugs!

What he actually said was that the government are pursuing an:-

"immeasurably cruel policy directed at the most vulnerable people in language that is not dissimilar to that used by Germany in the 30s".

That's not comparing us to the Third Reich.

He thinks the policy is cruel and goes on to describe the language being used. The rhetoric and xenophobic terminology. Not about the people or their politics. Just the language.

They are fair points, which are worth discussion, despite what you and Braverman think, or whether anyone else agrees or not.

It's an opinion. In a free country we thrive on opinions.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Hrolf The Ganger 11 Mar 23 11.21pm
Originally posted by inflikted [Tweet Link] SNAP POLL: Britons say BBC was wrong to suspend Gary Lineker All Britons: 27% right / 53% wrong Con voters: 51% / 36% Lab voters: 10% / 75% You hardly ever post in politics, and now here you are all worked up and armed with your opinion polls. I have often suspected that the Labour Party or other Left wing organisations have sleepers who sign up to various sites and try to shut down or influence opinion on high profile matters when instructed. Maybe I just have a vivid imagination.

Hrolf The Ganger

11 Mar 23 11.21pm

Originally posted by inflikted

[Tweet Link]

SNAP POLL: Britons say BBC was wrong to suspend Gary Lineker

All Britons: 27% right / 53% wrong
Con voters: 51% / 36%
Lab voters: 10% / 75%

You hardly ever post in politics, and now here you are all worked up and armed with your opinion polls.

I have often suspected that the Labour Party or other Left wing organisations have sleepers who sign up to various sites and try to shut down or influence opinion on high profile matters when instructed.

Maybe I just have a vivid imagination.

Hrolf The Ganger 11 Mar 23 11.28pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Maybe it's you who is on drugs! What he actually said was that the government are pursuing an:- "immeasurably cruel policy directed at the most vulnerable people in language that is not dissimilar to that used by Germany in the 30s". That's not comparing us to the Third Reich. He thinks the policy is cruel and goes on to describe the language being used. The rhetoric and xenophobic terminology. Not about the people or their politics. Just the language. They are fair points, which are worth discussion, despite what you and Braverman think, or whether anyone else agrees or not. It's an opinion. In a free country we thrive on opinions. Never mind all the free speech stuff. Only a total moron thinks that you can just allow ever increasing illegal immigration, which is already over loading the system, and do nothing about it. It is foolish ideological claptrap, and it would be remiss of the BBC and government if they allowed dim wits like Lineker to promote that stupidity.

Hrolf The Ganger

11 Mar 23 11.28pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Maybe it's you who is on drugs!

What he actually said was that the government are pursuing an:-

"immeasurably cruel policy directed at the most vulnerable people in language that is not dissimilar to that used by Germany in the 30s".

That's not comparing us to the Third Reich.

He thinks the policy is cruel and goes on to describe the language being used. The rhetoric and xenophobic terminology. Not about the people or their politics. Just the language.

They are fair points, which are worth discussion, despite what you and Braverman think, or whether anyone else agrees or not.

It's an opinion. In a free country we thrive on opinions.

Never mind all the free speech stuff.

Only a total moron thinks that you can just allow ever increasing illegal immigration, which is already over loading the system, and do nothing about it.
It is foolish ideological claptrap, and it would be remiss of the BBC and government if they allowed dim wits like Lineker to promote that stupidity.

CPFC1965 Warrington 12 Mar 23 1.00am
What is wrong with what Lineker said, we're trying to ship illegal immigrants to a country which is run by a government who orchestrated the worst genocide in the 21st century. Over 1 million butchered for being born into a minority tribe.

CPFC1965

Warrington 12 Mar 23 1.00am

What is wrong with what Lineker said, we're trying to ship illegal immigrants to a country which is run by a government who orchestrated the worst genocide in the 21st century. Over 1 million butchered for being born into a minority tribe.

inflikted 12 Mar 23 1.56am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Never mind all the free speech stuff. Only a total moron thinks that you can just allow ever increasing illegal immigration, which is already over loading the system, and do nothing about it. It is foolish ideological claptrap, and it would be remiss of the BBC and government if they allowed dim wits like Lineker to promote that stupidity. "illegal immigration" (no refugees are illegal under international law) is actually down compared to how it was 20 years ago Milkshakes Against Fascism

inflikted

12 Mar 23 1.56am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Never mind all the free speech stuff.

"illegal immigration" (no refugees are illegal under international law) is actually down compared to how it was 20 years ago

Milkshakes Against Fascism

georgenorman 12 Mar 23 6.46am
Originally posted by inflikted "illegal immigration" (no refugees are illegal under international law) is actually down compared to how it was 20 years ago Do you think there should be controls of any sort of immigration?

georgenorman

12 Mar 23 6.46am

Originally posted by inflikted

"illegal immigration" (no refugees are illegal under international law) is actually down compared to how it was 20 years ago

Do you think there should be controls of any sort of immigration?

Midlands Eagle 12 Mar 23 6.47am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Lineker is not an employee. He is a freelancer on a contract. None of us know what that contract says. There is a difference of opinion on what the rules about impartiality mean. Greg Dyke says they only apply to the area of your own speciality. So news and current affairs presenters should not make public political comment in their private capacity as well as on air, to ensure the BBC not only is, but is seen to be, impartial. Dyke says those rules don't apply to others, including sports presenters. Which is bourne out by the behaviour of others in the past. What Dyke said may have been true in his day but the BBC rules on impartiality have been tightened up since then due to what is sometimes referred to as the Lineker Effect after his past indiscretions

Midlands Eagle

12 Mar 23 6.47am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Lineker is not an employee. He is a freelancer on a contract. None of us know what that contract says.

What Dyke said may have been true in his day but the BBC rules on impartiality have been tightened up since then due to what is sometimes referred to as the Lineker Effect after his past indiscretions

Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 12 Mar 23 6.48am
Lineker strikes me as the sort of virtue-signalling person, sitting happily in his gated community ivory-tower, whilst happy for the rest of the country to suffer the direct consequences of unregulated immigration. How xenophobic of the working classes not to appreciate the multi-culturalism of having convicted criminals coming into the UK unchecked, creating a massive societal burden, in terms of housing, financial strain on benefits and increased crime. I disengage, I turn the page.

Forest Hillbilly

in a hidey-hole 12 Mar 23 6.48am

Lineker strikes me as the sort of virtue-signalling person, sitting happily in his gated community ivory-tower, whilst happy for the rest of the country to suffer the direct consequences of unregulated immigration.
How xenophobic of the working classes not to appreciate the multi-culturalism of having convicted criminals coming into the UK unchecked, creating a massive societal burden, in terms of housing, financial strain on benefits and increased crime.

I disengage, I turn the page.

Midlands Eagle 12 Mar 23 6.49am
Originally posted by m/k mick Ask one question, and answer honestly, if Lineker had expressed an opinion, similar to J K Rowling, about trans gender or LBQT, what would be the opinion of the people who today are supporting him, hypocrites In all honestly my guess is that the vast majority of the population couldn't care less about transgender or LBQT issues

Midlands Eagle

12 Mar 23 6.49am

Originally posted by m/k mick

In all honestly my guess is that the vast majority of the population couldn't care less about transgender or LBQT issues

Midlands Eagle 12 Mar 23 6.52am
Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly How xenophobic of the working classes not to appreciate the multi-culturalism of having convicted criminals coming into the UK unchecked, creating a massive societal burden, in terms of housing, financial strain on benefits and increased crime. Tongue in cheek maybe but that is precisely the problem as it is the working classes who understand the problems created by illegal immigration whilst the chattering classes pontificate on Twitter and the BBS on problems that don't actually affect them

Midlands Eagle

12 Mar 23 6.52am

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

How xenophobic of the working classes not to appreciate the multi-culturalism of having convicted criminals coming into the UK unchecked, creating a massive societal burden, in terms of housing, financial strain on benefits and increased crime.

Tongue in cheek maybe but that is precisely the problem as it is the working classes who understand the problems created by illegal immigration whilst the chattering classes pontificate on Twitter and the BBS on problems that don't actually affect them

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