And that is what I so so struggle with in terms of understanding this Remainer mindset. They are willing to smash the knees of the most basic concept of democracy for what? The EU? To have the title 'European Citizen'.

Because as you quite rightly state what is the point in voting for anything meaningful ever again? The referendum on June 23rd was perhaps the most purest expression of democracy that any of us had ever taken part in. A binary question, a pledge it would be honoured and every vote equally weighted. All that matter was that you were entitled to vote and made the effort to do so.

And Parliament then started the process, none of which was ever predecated on having a 'deal'. We should not be in the EU today. We should have left. Instead we have not and the w***ers in Parliament want to kick it down the road again before screwing us all over.

Somebody claimed that part of my previous post was vitriolic. And they were right. It absolutely was. And perfectly justified along with room for a whole host more.

A second referendum will toxify this country even more than it is already. It will discourage millions and millions of people from ever voting again for anything. And people will turn to alternative voices. Ones that don't abuse them for having the audacity to turn out and vote and then expect Parliament to act upon their wishes.

I now expect the Remainers to get their way. Johnson appears to be buckling and it is clear that all Parliamentary norms are out of the window. Parliament has no intention of every truly submitting itself again to the voting public and no doubt will congratulate itself massively for doing so. But there will be a backlash and that will change this country for ever in ways that leaving the EU, as we should have done by now, could not even come close to matching.

And to all the Remainers out there rubbing there hands in utter glee at getting their own way, despite losing on June 23rd, be very very careful in terms of what you wish for.

Because one day, and I pray I live to see it, you will trot off down to the polling station, cast your vote in good faith and then find it ignored. And you will have nobody to blame for that but yourselves.

Scottish judges rule Boris Johnson's prorogation unlawful - bong!!!!

Can they reconvene?

Anyone's guess - is there anything Johnson can do right?

And that is what I so so struggle with in terms of understanding this Remainer mindset. They are willing to smash the knees of the most basic concept of democracy for what? The EU? To have the title 'European Citizen'.

As referendums have NO place in our democracy, let alone the "most basic" one, this is just nonsense. It is the underlying misconception behind all of those who feel let down by the current impasse in Parliament. The problem in reality is the promise to "respect the result" that was offered politically by the parties striving for your vote. Such promises don't though ever tie the hands of a democratically elected Parliament. They make it difficult for them, but that's different.

Because as you quite rightly state what is the point in voting for anything meaningful ever again? The referendum on June 23rd was perhaps the most purest expression of democracy that any of us had ever taken part in. A binary question, a pledge it would be honoured and every vote equally weighted. All that matter was that you were entitled to vote and made the effort to do so.

I hope we never have to vote in a referendum again as we can now all see the mess it can create! The ONLY time we should be asked to vote is at a GE.

And Parliament then started the process, none of which was ever predecated on having a 'deal'. We should not be in the EU today. We should have left. Instead we have not and the w***ers in Parliament want to kick it down the road again before screwing us all over.

It wasn't predicated on not having a deal either. It wasn't on the ballot paper. However during the campaigns it was clearly claimed that a deal with the EU would not only be made prior to the actual leaving date but that it would be a piece of cake to arrange. A "matter of days" was claimed. No-one who voted leave would have thought otherwise.

Somebody claimed that part of my previous post was vitriolic. And they were right. It absolutely was. And perfectly justified along with room for a whole host more.

That was me, and you were, but it isn't justified. You need to step back from your anger and try to see the bigger picture.

A second referendum will toxify this country even more than it is already. It will discourage millions and millions of people from ever voting again for anything. And people will turn to alternative voices. Ones that don't abuse them for having the audacity to turn out and vote and then expect Parliament to act upon their wishes.

I don't want a second referendum either. I want Parliament to do it's job. Which isn't to act upon our wishes at all. It's to do what's in our best interests. Not your's or mine. Our. All of us together.

I now expect the Remainers to get their way. Johnson appears to be buckling and it is clear that all Parliamentary norms are out of the window. Parliament has no intention of every truly submitting itself again to the voting public and no doubt will congratulate itself massively for doing so. But there will be a backlash and that will change this country for ever in ways that leaving the EU, as we should have done by now, could not even come close to matching.

Of course Parliament will submit itself to the voting public again! That's why we hold GEs. What it won't do is tie itself to an out of date, fundamentally flawed referendum that everyone can now see has produced a total mess in our country.

And to all the Remainers out there rubbing there hands in utter glee at getting their own way, despite losing on June 23rd, be very very careful in terms of what you wish for.

No-one is rubbing their hands in glee! I don't enjoy seeing anyone's hopes and expectations, however much I disagree with them, being let down. I have no desire to "get my own way". What I want is a solution to this mess that causes us the least amount of harm.

Because one day, and I pray I live to see it, you will trot off down to the polling station, cast your vote in good faith and then find it ignored. And you will have nobody to blame for that but yourselves.

Only if we hold referendums in the future, which I sincerely hope will never again happen. This experience ought to have been enough for everyone. When the dust has settled perhaps the debate over proportional representation will start again as a way to ensure that all voices have a way of being heard in our system and we can consign to history the idea that some people can "win" or "lose" at the ballot box.

As referendums have NO place in our democracy, let alone the "most basic" one, this is just nonsense. It is the underlying misconception behind all of those who feel let down by the current impasse in Parliament.

But they clearly do. There have been numerous referendums in British political history and all have been respected until this one. Parliament voted by an overwhelming majority to offer us the vote on June 23rd. The Government promised to honour the outcome as did both the main parties in the 2017 election. Your claim is spurious nonsense.

You want this democratic process cast aside. Written off. Ignored. Be honest about that. Be proud of that. Show some courage of your conviction.

Haha. Hope all those Tories who voted for this tosser are loving the epic fail that is his premiership.

Every single vote has gone against him, now this.

Comedy.