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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
You would take your wife to a hurricane devastated country would you? Not pause for a moment and maybe change your plans? Your analogy doesn't work though does it? While it's in no-one's interest for the UK to leave without a deal no-one wants it to drag on any longer either. So by forcing it off the table it puts the pressure onto the EU to try hard to find something that will enable our Parliament to accept. It also puts pressure on Johnson to try too as unless he does he won't be PM for much longer. So a better analogy would be that your car salesman faces the sack unless he manages to find a deal on a car that you can accept. So you are both motivated.
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
I'm unable to fully talk about my work in an open context. I work with supposed refugees on a daily basis. In private, you learn a lot. In public these people are all victims. Here is some independent proof on this: Worryingly there have been no investigations in the rest of the country. Here is a general piece on asylum seekers but it is not the mail or the express or anything like that. And here is an EU political journal that talks about what the US customs thinks of the EU - along with some interesting stats on Syrian passports. On a personal note, I interviewed three Algerians last year. All were posing as Syrians. I finished the interview with 'why are you seeking asylum from Algeria?'. Having worked for Border Force for 28 years I can concur with everything in your post
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Originally posted by becky
If they are looking at conscripting all 18-35 year olds, this will mean all those young people will get even more chance to live and work in the EU - whether they want to or not! Hope Maple'skids enjoy it
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Originally posted by becky
If they are looking at conscripting all 18-35 year olds, this will mean all those young people will get even more chance to live and work in the EU - whether they want to or not! Never going to happen....ask Wissie
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Hope Maple'skids enjoy it Oh for heaven's sake. Look up in the sky, someone has written 'credulous'. Really. Flippin false news really gets my goat. It's so laughable I can't believe people post it. I also wonder from where it originates, in whose interest may it be to cut European military cooperation off at the knees, hmmm. But, to put you out of your misery: Recently a claim about supposed plans for an EU army has been going viral again on Facebook. The post claims that Britain will be forced to join an EU army unless the UK leaves the EU. It includes a screenshot of a 2016 article in the Express reporting then-armed forces minister Penny Mordaunt saying this during the EU referendum campaign. The text accompanying the image suggests this EU army will use some form of conscription. Both claims are incorrect. The UK could not be “forced” to participate in EU military policies even if we stay in the EU. Whether or not EU nations wish to create an “EU army”, and regardless of what that might actually entail, the European Commission can’t propose laws about security or defence. On issues like this, member countries effectively have a veto, so the UK would only take part if it chose to. There are no formal plans in place for an EU army, and so there are no “EU regulations” on drafting people into it. The EU does have various policies for defensive and security cooperation. For example, under the Common Security and Defence Policy, EU countries can pool military funding and resources. The UK participates in military operations through this policy. The EU has also established Permanent Structured Cooperation (PESCO) a strategy which aims to “jointly develop defence capabilities and make them available for EU military operations” which the UK has chosen not to participate in.
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
Haha. Hope all those Tories who voted for this tosser are loving the epic fail that is his premiership. Every single vote has gone against him, now this. Comedy. If only there was some way that the Tory voters could have worked out that Mr Johnson is capable of maintaining a poker face whilst telling enormous lies. Maybe some previous history for example - I always make sure I take references when hiring. I am sure that then they would not have got themselves into this mess.
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Poll of NI voters: Leave the UK and join ROI 51% Remaining in the UK 49% (Lord Ashcroft, 30/8-2/9)
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Scottish judges rule Boris Johnson's prorogation unlawful - bong!!!! Can they reconvene? Anyone's guess - is there anything Johnson can do right?
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Originally posted by becky
It's winging its way to the Supreme Court I believe. Never a dull moment.
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Originally posted by Mapletree
If only there was some way that the Tory voters could have worked out that Mr Johnson is capable of maintaining a poker face whilst telling enormous lies. Maybe some previous history for example - I always make sure I take references when hiring. I am sure that then they would not have got themselves into this mess. What a purposefully childlike take you have on reality. Politics is about lying. That is what politicians do and Remainers are taking lies to a new level with their disgusting tactics. A Scottish Remainer brings a case to court in Scotland purely for political reasons where unelected judges make a ruling, and you think that should overrule an elected government? Shame shame shame.
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
What a purposefully childlike take you have on reality. Politics is about lying. That is what politicians do and Remainers are taking lies to a new level with their disgusting tactics. A Scottish Remainer brings a case to court in Scotland purely for political reasons where unelected judges make a ruling, and you think that should overrule an elected government? Shame shame shame.
I think you will find my grip on reality is cello thank you. My spaghetti is well oiled. I just love the way you accept that those who represent you should not have the basic morality that you yourself espouse. It's diffrent cos they is important innit. Or, perhaps, this is all a lie and you are really a hairdresser from Redhill called Sonia. Johnson lied and got caught out, get over it. It's not the first time. Still, the ends justify the means eh? Edited by Mapletree (11 Sep 2019 5.36pm)
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Originally posted by Mapletree
If only there was some way that the Tory voters could have worked out that Mr Johnson is capable of maintaining a poker face whilst telling enormous lies. Maybe some previous history for example - I always make sure I take references when hiring. I am sure that then they would not have got themselves into this mess. Blimey you've got a job agency as well.
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Scottish judges rule Boris Johnson's prorogation unlawful - bong!!!! Can they reconvene? Anyone's guess - is there anything Johnson can do right? He can be your prime minister.
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Originally posted by Mapletree
I think you will find my grip on reality is cello thank you. My spaghetti is well oiled. I just love the way you accept that those who represent you should not have the basic morality that you yourself espouse. It's diffrent cos they is important innit. Or, perhaps, this is all a lie and you are really a hairdresser from Redhill called Sonia. Johnson lied and got caught out, get over it. It's not the first time. Still, the ends justify the means eh?
In this case. When you are up against conniving, undemocratic, self serving arseholes then you have to fight fire with fire. Johnson is doing his best to deliver Brexit as voted for by the majority.
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Originally posted by Mapletree
I think you will find my grip on reality is cello thank you. My spaghetti is well oiled. I just love the way you accept that those who represent you should not have the basic morality that you yourself espouse. It's diffrent cos they is important innit. Or, perhaps, this is all a lie and you are really a hairdresser from Redhill called Sonia. Johnson lied and got caught out, get over it. It's not the first time. Still, the ends justify the means eh? Edited by Mapletree (11 Sep 2019 5.36pm) Those Judges clearly believed Johnson had lied to parliament and misled the Queen. Even if the supreme court overturn it, it is still enormously damaging. How do the EU etc. deal with such a flawed person. Even if some classic euro fudge was found and a deal concocted, Johnson simply does not have the numbers to get it through.
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Those Judges clearly believed Johnson had lied to parliament and misled the Queen. Even if the supreme court overturns it, it is still enormously damaging. How do the EU etc. deal with such a flawed person. Even if some classic euro fudge was found and a deal concocted, Johnson simply does not have the numbers to get it through.
So you are saying that no deal should be illegal and that a deal should be rejected. So basically you are blocking Brexit despite the people voting for it and regardless of the details of any deal? And what if there was a totally unjustified second referendum and Leave won again. Presumably, Remainers would try to overturn that one too. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (11 Sep 2019 5.59pm)
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Originally posted by the silurian
It was me who used the analogy so that you could face the reality of circumstances having sufficiently changed that you needed to change your mind. You either dodged the question or failed to understand it. Of course the EU care whether we finally leave with a deal or not, because the latter would hurt them too. If our economy declines then their sales to us suffer as well. If we start to buy elsewhere then their sales to us also decline. Like everyone else though they have other things to be considered and weighed so it isn't a deal at any price for them, just as it isn't for us. It just requires balancing. It seems to me that as we are almost there it would be daft to throw it all away on the altar of the Irish border problem. I don't under estimate either the importance of which, or the difficulties involved in overcoming them but if it takes longer to find the answers then wait we must.
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Originally posted by cryrst
Blimey you've got a job agency as well. Used to run one in Croydon many moons ago. Did it when I left teaching at Ashburton as it happens.
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Those Judges clearly believed Johnson had lied to parliament and misled the Queen. Even if the supreme court overturn it, it is still enormously damaging. How do the EU etc. deal with such a flawed person. Even if some classic euro fudge was found and a deal concocted, Johnson simply does not have the numbers to get it through.
I see this as a big problem too, and one that hasn't yet been really examined. If Johnson does manage to agree a deal, which for me would have to be "May's" deal in new clothes with the backstop renamed as the fallback, with Johnson claiming it could be thrown out by the UK Parliament if ever implemented, then would Corbyn agree to pass it? I suspect not as his chances of an election then go up in smoke. Johnson would "reluctantly" request the extension, we do get an election which Johnson would likely win by a landslide campaigning on "his" deal. So I am beginning to think we will end up with something being put before the House in October. I think Johnson's change of tone is very significant as is the rejection of Farage's overtures. Was all this a cunning plan, or just a fortunate fall of the cards? We might never know, but that won't stop people claiming the credit.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I see this as a big problem too, and one that hasn't yet been really examined. If Johnson does manage to agree a deal, which for me would have to be "May's" deal in new clothes with the backstop renamed as the fallback, with Johnson claiming it could be thrown out by the UK Parliament if ever implemented, then would Corbyn agree to pass it? I suspect not as his chances of an election then go up in smoke. Johnson would "reluctantly" request the extension, we do get an election which Johnson would likely win by a landslide campaigning on "his" deal. So I am beginning to think we will end up with something being put before the House in October. I think Johnson's change of tone is very significant as is the rejection of Farage's overtures. Was all this a cunning plan, or just a fortunate fall of the cards? We might never know, but that won't stop people claiming the credit. We should also consider that the EU has really had enough of us and thinks that divorce means that.
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