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Originally posted by Mapletree
Not that it affects any of my points. But we talk with and message people in other EU countries most days. Their views are not even close to those you describe. My daughter went to Malta just before the referendum, several locals stated they hoped the UK voted to leave as they wanted to as well
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
So the latest iteration of yellowhammer is out. We’ve already spent 8bn on no deal mitigation, 2bn of which was hastily added recently as it became a genuine possibility. As expected some claims have been overblown, but the devil is in the detail. Enough of which is too much disruption for no good reason, especially when the option of a deal is viable. Still want a no deal at all costs? Anyone got a knife for all these noses? Like moths to a flame. I’d rather leave with a deal, thanks very much. Really!!
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Originally posted by .TUX.
If you want true capitalism go to a boot-market. It's the perfect model. All money technically comes from thin air. Thanks for the unnecessary free lesson (again) on a well known subject. Answer the question
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Really!! Of course its going to be overblown. The problem with publishing these is that it shows the EU where our weaknesses are. At least it shows that preparations have been thorough. If we do leave on WTO terms, then there are also millions of EU citizens in the UK who will suffer. This is something that the EU would have to consider.
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Not that it affects any of my points. But we talk with and message people in other EU countries most days. Their views are not even close to those you describe. I run a small AirBnb here and many of our visitors come from Europe. I have never heard one of them say that they think Brexit is a good idea. They all think it's a bizarre idea and genuinely fail to understand why anyone would deliberately hurt their economy in this way. The same applies to our visitors from further afield, and especially those from Australia. The only ones we get who are in favour are those British people who chunter on with the same kind of tedious arguments heard on here. What amazes me is how some foreign born folk understand and value the British system of democracy better than many who were born and live here.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I run a small AirBnb here and many of our visitors come from Europe. I have never heard one of them say that they think Brexit is a good idea. They all think it's a bizarre idea and genuinely fail to understand why anyone would deliberately hurt their economy in this way. The same applies to our visitors from further afield, and especially those from Australia. The only ones we get who are in favour are those British people who chunter on with the same kind of tedious arguments heard on here. What amazes me is how some foreign born folk understand and value the British system of democracy better than many who were born and live here. You said it.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Yes and 48% LOST what dont you understand about that? LOST means LOST in a referendum that the MPs promised to honour the result.....THEY LIED!!! I will never vote for any party ever again!! Edited by the silurian (12 Sep 2019 9.33am)
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Originally posted by the silurian
Yes and 48% LOST what dont you understand about that? LOST means LOST in a referendum that the MPs promised to honour the result.....THEY LIED!!! I will never vote for any party ever again!! Edited by the silurian (12 Sep 2019 9.33am) It never ceases to amaze me that people are shocked that politicians didn’t deliver what the think they were voting for. Has it really taken you that long to work out? By all means don’t vote but you’re simply making it even worse for yourself. Kind of like a silent protest. No one cares
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Originally posted by jeeagles
Of course its going to be overblown. The problem with publishing these is that it shows the EU where our weaknesses are. At least it shows that preparations have been thorough. If we do leave on WTO terms, then there are also millions of EU citizens in the UK who will suffer. This is something that the EU would have to consider. Er To be clear, I didn’t say the report was overblown. I said that as expected some of the claims made by the remain side when compared to this have now been proven to be overblown. If anything the report is far less impactful than a lot of remainers were making out. I also clearly stated that these are worst case scenarios not expected scenarios. However for me that’s enough to disprove a lot of wilful blindness from the leave side, and make me want an exit with a deal even more than before. The risk vs benefit simply doesn’t add up. Unless you’re a rabid brexiteer of course.
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Er To be clear, I didn’t say the report was overblown. I said that as expected some of the claims made by the remain side when compared to this have now been proven to be overblown. If anything the report is far less impactful than a lot of remainers were making out. I also clearly stated that these are worst case scenarios not expected scenarios. However for me that’s enough to disprove a lot of wilful blindness from the leave side, and make me want an exit with a deal even more than before. The risk vs benefit simply doesn’t add up. Unless you’re a rabid brexiteer of course. I see a pattern here....
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
I see a pattern here.... TBF there are plenty of rabid remainers. Everyone loves an extremist, especially round here.
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Who would have thought it?
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Originally posted by the silurian
Yes and 48% LOST what dont you understand about that? LOST means LOST in a referendum that the MPs promised to honour the result.....THEY LIED!!! I will never vote for any party ever again!! Edited by the silurian (12 Sep 2019 9.33am) What don't you understand about Politicians having a duty to react to events if, in their judgement, they are sufficiently important to have to change a previously stated position. The 48% who "lost" are not the only ones whose interests matter, alongside the 52% who "won". (Many on both sides not all sharing exactly the same level of commitment to the causes. It was a very simple question that was asked.) There are those who decided not to vote but even more importantly there are the millions of under 18 year olds who couldn't vote but whose lives will be more impacted than any of us. MPs have to take all of these things into consideration. The truth is that, having made their promises, and despite many of them disagreeing with the decision, they have striven to find a way to leave that doesn't harm the UK more than is necessary. So far it hasn't been possible to find enough support for the negotiated arrangement to get Parliamentary approval. No-one lied. They just did their job. It's all very unfortunate but the whole country is split almost down the middle over this. Parliament clearly has a majority against leaving without a proper agreement in place, and some now argue that so much time has elapsed that we ought to check again what the people as a whole now think before making any steps that we might later regret. I disagree with them as I think Parliament alone should make these decisions.
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Being updated in a couple of days so let's wait.
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
None of the remainers are willing to live in the one step back for the two stops forward era we want to leave for. A real shame, but when their offspring and so on, or even they are experiencing things they’re ignoring now, and may pretend aren’t an issue in the future, s0d ‘em. I’m disillusioned with many factors of the direction this country is going but if they want to continue that then get ready for the negatives to get more negative for more people. This is the nonsensical argument that leavers will come up with when they are confronted with their own failure, and rush to avoid blame.
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
None of the remainers are willing to live in the one step back for the two stops forward era we want to leave for. A real shame, but when their offspring and so on, or even they are experiencing things they’re ignoring now, and may pretend aren’t an issue in the future, s0d ‘em. I’m disillusioned with many factors of the direction this country is going but if they want to continue that then get ready for the negatives to get more negative for more people. Let's be honest, that's not guaranteed. You could well be right, but it's just as fanciful as saying remaining in the EU will be better than leaving in the long term. No-one knows, hence why most people can only respond to what is happening/will happen now and in the immediate future. Normacly bias also applies here, so leaving is even more scary to most people. With this farce playing out daily, 'Just keep it the same' has never been so appealing to the average Joe. That said it's interesting to see a rare admission from a brexiteer that leaving is, at least in the short term, going to have a negative effect. Some objectivity at last.
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Let's be honest, that's not guaranteed. You could well be right, but it's just as fanciful as saying remaining in the EU will be better than leaving in the long term. No-one knows, hence why most people can only respond to what is happening/will happen now and in the immediate future. Normacly bias also applies here, so leaving is even more scary to most people. With this farce playing out daily, 'Just keep it the same' has never been so appealing to the average Joe. That said it's interesting to see a rare admission from a brexiteer that leaving is, at least in the short term, going to have a negative effect. Some objectivity at last. The position now is that they all knew this all along, and voted leave in spite of it - never mind that a huge part of the leave campaign was about financing to the EU, leavers didn’t vote for economic reasons. Similar to how everyone really wanted no deal all along, despite being told pre-referendum it would be the easiest trade deal in history. Easier to shift the goalposts than admit you were sold bulls***, init? (Before the usual tiresome ‘I know what I voted for’ respnoses, this is true in all walks of life and certainly not exclusive to Brexit or leavers).
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