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Spiderman Flag Horsham 12 Sep 19 6.37am

Originally posted by Mapletree

Not that it affects any of my points. But we talk with and message people in other EU countries most days. Their views are not even close to those you describe.

My daughter went to Malta just before the referendum, several locals stated they hoped the UK voted to leave as they wanted to as well

 

Spiderman Flag Horsham 12 Sep 19 6.39am

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

So the latest iteration of yellowhammer is out.

We’ve already spent 8bn on no deal mitigation, 2bn of which was hastily added recently as it became a genuine possibility.

As expected some claims have been overblown, but the devil is in the detail. Enough of which is too much disruption for no good reason, especially when the option of a deal is viable.

Still want a no deal at all costs? Anyone got a knife for all these noses? Like moths to a flame.

I’d rather leave with a deal, thanks very much.

Really!!

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 12 Sep 19 7.45am

Originally posted by .TUX.


Not when funds printed from bloody thin-air and charged to the masses(!) are deliberately given to those at the top of the tree (cronies)! What do they do with this 'free money', they inflate asset prices from shares to housing. Nice work if you can get it.

If you want true capitalism go to a boot-market. It's the perfect model.

All money technically comes from thin air. Thanks for the unnecessary free lesson (again) on a well known subject.

Answer the question

 


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jeeagles Flag 12 Sep 19 8.08am

Originally posted by Spiderman

Really!!

Of course its going to be overblown.
They've asked a load of civil servants to brainstorm anything that could possibly go wrong.

The problem with publishing these is that it shows the EU where our weaknesses are.

At least it shows that preparations have been thorough.

If we do leave on WTO terms, then there are also millions of EU citizens in the UK who will suffer. This is something that the EU would have to consider.

 

Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 12 Sep 19 9.06am

Originally posted by Mapletree

Not that it affects any of my points. But we talk with and message people in other EU countries most days. Their views are not even close to those you describe.

I run a small AirBnb here and many of our visitors come from Europe. I have never heard one of them say that they think Brexit is a good idea. They all think it's a bizarre idea and genuinely fail to understand why anyone would deliberately hurt their economy in this way.

The same applies to our visitors from further afield, and especially those from Australia.

The only ones we get who are in favour are those British people who chunter on with the same kind of tedious arguments heard on here.

What amazes me is how some foreign born folk understand and value the British system of democracy better than many who were born and live here.

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 12 Sep 19 9.22am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I run a small AirBnb here and many of our visitors come from Europe. I have never heard one of them say that they think Brexit is a good idea. They all think it's a bizarre idea and genuinely fail to understand why anyone would deliberately hurt their economy in this way.

The same applies to our visitors from further afield, and especially those from Australia.

The only ones we get who are in favour are those British people who chunter on with the same kind of tedious arguments heard on here.

What amazes me is how some foreign born folk understand and value the British system of democracy better than many who were born and live here.

You said it.

 


COYP

the silurian Flag The garden of England.(not really) 12 Sep 19 9.31am

Yes and 48% LOST what dont you understand about that? LOST means LOST in a referendum that the MPs promised to honour the result.....THEY LIED!!!

I will never vote for any party ever again!!

Edited by the silurian (12 Sep 2019 9.33am)

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 12 Sep 19 9.43am

Originally posted by the silurian

Yes and 48% LOST what dont you understand about that? LOST means LOST in a referendum that the MPs promised to honour the result.....THEY LIED!!!

I will never vote for any party ever again!!

Edited by the silurian (12 Sep 2019 9.33am)

It never ceases to amaze me that people are shocked that politicians didn’t deliver what the think they were voting for. Has it really taken you that long to work out?

By all means don’t vote but you’re simply making it even worse for yourself. Kind of like a silent protest. No one cares

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 12 Sep 19 9.47am

Originally posted by jeeagles

Of course its going to be overblown.
They've asked a load of civil servants to brainstorm anything that could possibly go wrong.

The problem with publishing these is that it shows the EU where our weaknesses are.

At least it shows that preparations have been thorough.

If we do leave on WTO terms, then there are also millions of EU citizens in the UK who will suffer. This is something that the EU would have to consider.

Er

To be clear, I didn’t say the report was overblown. I said that as expected some of the claims made by the remain side when compared to this have now been proven to be overblown. If anything the report is far less impactful than a lot of remainers were making out.

I also clearly stated that these are worst case scenarios not expected scenarios. However for me that’s enough to disprove a lot of wilful blindness from the leave side, and make me want an exit with a deal even more than before. The risk vs benefit simply doesn’t add up. Unless you’re a rabid brexiteer of course.

 


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Maine Eagle Flag USA 12 Sep 19 10.12am

So, additional scathing details come out about brexit, and parliamentarians are sitting at home reading about it on the news, as opposed to doing their jobs and scrutinizing the executive as we slide ever closer to the cliff edge.

f***ing scandalous.

 


Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

Maine Eagle Flag USA 12 Sep 19 10.13am

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Er

To be clear, I didn’t say the report was overblown. I said that as expected some of the claims made by the remain side when compared to this have now been proven to be overblown. If anything the report is far less impactful than a lot of remainers were making out.

I also clearly stated that these are worst case scenarios not expected scenarios. However for me that’s enough to disprove a lot of wilful blindness from the leave side, and make me want an exit with a deal even more than before. The risk vs benefit simply doesn’t add up. Unless you’re a rabid brexiteer of course.

I see a pattern here....

 


Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 12 Sep 19 10.26am

'Liberal Democrats almost level with Labour in election, poll shows'

I am thinking of a lab/libdem coalition, but with labour being the minority partner.

Revoke brexit and breathe fresh air again.

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 12 Sep 19 10.43am

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

I see a pattern here....

TBF there are plenty of rabid remainers. Everyone loves an extremist, especially round here.

 


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EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 12 Sep 19 11.03am

Who would have thought it?

[Link]

 

Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 12 Sep 19 11.23am

Originally posted by the silurian

Yes and 48% LOST what dont you understand about that? LOST means LOST in a referendum that the MPs promised to honour the result.....THEY LIED!!!

I will never vote for any party ever again!!

Edited by the silurian (12 Sep 2019 9.33am)

What don't you understand about Politicians having a duty to react to events if, in their judgement, they are sufficiently important to have to change a previously stated position.

The 48% who "lost" are not the only ones whose interests matter, alongside the 52% who "won". (Many on both sides not all sharing exactly the same level of commitment to the causes. It was a very simple question that was asked.) There are those who decided not to vote but even more importantly there are the millions of under 18 year olds who couldn't vote but whose lives will be more impacted than any of us. MPs have to take all of these things into consideration.

The truth is that, having made their promises, and despite many of them disagreeing with the decision, they have striven to find a way to leave that doesn't harm the UK more than is necessary. So far it hasn't been possible to find enough support for the negotiated arrangement to get Parliamentary approval. No-one lied. They just did their job. It's all very unfortunate but the whole country is split almost down the middle over this. Parliament clearly has a majority against leaving without a proper agreement in place, and some now argue that so much time has elapsed that we ought to check again what the people as a whole now think before making any steps that we might later regret. I disagree with them as I think Parliament alone should make these decisions.

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 12 Sep 19 11.31am

None of the remainers are willing to live in the one step back for the two stops forward era we want to leave for. A real shame, but when their offspring and so on, or even they are experiencing things they’re ignoring now, and may pretend aren’t an issue in the future, s0d ‘em. I’m disillusioned with many factors of the direction this country is going but if they want to continue that then get ready for the negatives to get more negative for more people.

 


COYP

cryrst Flag The garden of England 12 Sep 19 11.36am

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Who would have thought it?

[Link]

Being updated in a couple of days so let's wait.
All the screamers wanted to see it and this is apparently the very worst scenario.

 

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 12 Sep 19 11.37am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

None of the remainers are willing to live in the one step back for the two stops forward era we want to leave for. A real shame, but when their offspring and so on, or even they are experiencing things they’re ignoring now, and may pretend aren’t an issue in the future, s0d ‘em. I’m disillusioned with many factors of the direction this country is going but if they want to continue that then get ready for the negatives to get more negative for more people.

This is the nonsensical argument that leavers will come up with when they are confronted with their own failure, and rush to avoid blame.


 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 12 Sep 19 11.38am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

None of the remainers are willing to live in the one step back for the two stops forward era we want to leave for. A real shame, but when their offspring and so on, or even they are experiencing things they’re ignoring now, and may pretend aren’t an issue in the future, s0d ‘em. I’m disillusioned with many factors of the direction this country is going but if they want to continue that then get ready for the negatives to get more negative for more people.

Let's be honest, that's not guaranteed. You could well be right, but it's just as fanciful as saying remaining in the EU will be better than leaving in the long term. No-one knows, hence why most people can only respond to what is happening/will happen now and in the immediate future. Normacly bias also applies here, so leaving is even more scary to most people. With this farce playing out daily, 'Just keep it the same' has never been so appealing to the average Joe.

That said it's interesting to see a rare admission from a brexiteer that leaving is, at least in the short term, going to have a negative effect. Some objectivity at last.

 


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EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 12 Sep 19 11.46am

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Let's be honest, that's not guaranteed. You could well be right, but it's just as fanciful as saying remaining in the EU will be better than leaving in the long term. No-one knows, hence why most people can only respond to what is happening/will happen now and in the immediate future. Normacly bias also applies here, so leaving is even more scary to most people. With this farce playing out daily, 'Just keep it the same' has never been so appealing to the average Joe.

That said it's interesting to see a rare admission from a brexiteer that leaving is, at least in the short term, going to have a negative effect. Some objectivity at last.

The position now is that they all knew this all along, and voted leave in spite of it - never mind that a huge part of the leave campaign was about financing to the EU, leavers didn’t vote for economic reasons.

Similar to how everyone really wanted no deal all along, despite being told pre-referendum it would be the easiest trade deal in history.

Easier to shift the goalposts than admit you were sold bulls***, init? (Before the usual tiresome ‘I know what I voted for’ respnoses, this is true in all walks of life and certainly not exclusive to Brexit or leavers).

 

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