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 DanH  SW2 24 Aug 16 2.29pm |
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Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch
I see you pulled me up on my spin, b*stard.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 24 Aug 16 2.31pm |
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Originally posted by Part Time James
Maybe he made them up too. I bet he isn't even really called Jeremy. Like George Osborne is really called Gideon?
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| Part Time James 24 Aug 16 2.34pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Like George Osborne is really called Gideon?
Is he? I bet he's that c**t that has been putting the bible in hotel rooms. I got so bored on a business trip I started reading one of them once.
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Y Ddraig Goch  In The Crowd 24 Aug 16 2.35pm |
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Originally posted by DanH
I see you pulled me up on my spin, b*stard.
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Jimenez  SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 24 Aug 16 2.40pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Like George Osborne is really called Gideon?
I'd rather believe Branson over Corbyn. Here is a guy who like most entrepreneurs started with nothing and actually creates wealth & jobs rather than someone who in all fairness couldn't run a bath...
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| OknotOK Cockfosters, London 24 Aug 16 3.10pm |
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Originally posted by Johnny Eagles
I'm a bit bored of this statement (not getting at you personally, but it's a trope which I've heard trotted out by politicians in the media a lot recently). While it's true in principle (an adversarial parliament DOES need an effective opposition), I don't think the corollary (ie, that Corbyan somehow makes Labour ineffective as an opposition) is true at all. The truth is that all these so-called 'Blairites', (which is my term for all the trendy, metropolitan, centre-ground, conventional wisdom, equality-and-diversity loving people who make up so much of the parliamentary Labour party) would feel very comfortable in the Blairite Tory party. It's run by an arch-Blairite, who took over from a poor imitation of Tony Blair. If you have Blairites running both of the largest parties in parliament (which is what all these moaning Labour MPs basically want) then have a pretend opposition, not an effective one. The Brexit referendum showed the true divide in the UK. It's not between Tory MPs and Labour MPs (who actually agree with each other on pretty much everything) but between MPs in general and the public they are supposed to represent. I don't disagree with any of that I don't think. I see the current Labour party as a very poor opposition. But at least half of that is because the party is so divided. If the backbenchers shut their mouths and stood behind Corbyn I still think they'd lose the election but at least they would be a more effective unit.
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| Stuk Top half 24 Aug 16 3.19pm |
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Originally posted by Jimenez
I'd rather believe Branson over Corbyn. Here is a guy who like most entrepreneurs started with nothing and actually creates wealth & jobs rather than someone who in all fairness couldn't run a bath... It was an 11am train from London to Newcastle. It would never be "ram-packed". Which incidentally isn't even a phrase, apart from in the urban dictionary.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 24 Aug 16 3.42pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
It was an 11am train from London to Newcastle. It would never be "ram-packed". Which incidentally isn't even a phrase, apart from in the urban dictionary. Lots of people on the train have said it was.
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| Stuk Top half 24 Aug 16 4.52pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Lots of people on the train have said it was. It's just all the video evidence that undermines them. Define lots too, as I thought it meant a large number.
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| Charlie Croker Hampshire 24 Aug 16 5.07pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Lots of people on the train have said it was. Having used Virgin trains many times, I have no doubt that it became very busy as the train journey progressed, but the CCTV seems to show that it's not very busy when he joins the train. Surely this just shows that regardless of the politician or their ideology, they are all open to spinning a story - or at the very least allowing their PR teams to do just that. Edited by Charlie Croker (24 Aug 2016 5.08pm)
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Johnny Eagles  berlin 25 Aug 16 11.41am |
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Originally posted by OknotOK
I don't disagree with any of that I don't think. I see the current Labour party as a very poor opposition. But at least half of that is because the party is so divided. If the backbenchers shut their mouths and stood behind Corbyn I still think they'd lose the election but at least they would be a more effective unit. Ah, ok, I thought you were "throwing in your lot" with the Blairies, as it were. Imagine if Corbyn had stuck with his principles over the EU referendum. As the leader of the only party which was for out, he'd be in such a strong position. I actually think Corbyn much better reflects the views of large parts of the population than all his 'rebels'. But the politico-media class have it in for him, which is why we're constantly told what a lunatic and hopeless leader he is.
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| DanH SW2 25 Aug 16 11.52am |
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Originally posted by Johnny Eagles
Ah, ok, I thought you were "throwing in your lot" with the Blairies, as it were. Imagine if Corbyn had stuck with his principles over the EU referendum. As the leader of the only party which was for out, he'd be in such a strong position. I actually think Corbyn much better reflects the views of large parts of the population than all his 'rebels'. But the politico-media class have it in for him, which is why we're constantly told what a lunatic and hopeless leader he is. Very much agree with this Johnny.
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| Hoof Hearted 25 Aug 16 11.53am | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
No.... you just hoped I had. I promised to keep reading the posts and if I felt it necessary would make the effort to get my gnarled hands typing a response. Felt Corbyn's lies and deceit on the Virgin train was worthy of comment/discussion.... thank you for asking.
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| Hoof Hearted 25 Aug 16 12.41pm | |
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Originally posted by Johnny Eagles
Ah, ok, I thought you were "throwing in your lot" with the Blairies, as it were. Imagine if Corbyn had stuck with his principles over the EU referendum. As the leader of the only party which was for out, he'd be in such a strong position. I actually think Corbyn much better reflects the views of large parts of the population than all his 'rebels'. But the politico-media class have it in for him, which is why we're constantly told what a lunatic and hopeless leader he is. My assessment of him has come about observing him, his actions and what he says.... I've not been told what to think about him! For a start if he had principles he would have backed the EU Leave campaign but he chose to bat for Remain even though that went against his 40 year battle to discredit the EU bureaucracy. His stance on not wanting to press the Nuclear button, his appearance.... this PMQ's faux pas.... I just look at the scruffy tw@t, listen to what he has to say and either cringe or laugh. He is not a credible candidate for Prime Minister!
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 25 Aug 16 1.49pm |
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Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
My assessment of him has come about observing him, his actions and what he says.... I've not been told what to think about him! For a start if he had principles he would have backed the EU Leave campaign but he chose to bat for Remain even though that went against his 40 year battle to discredit the EU bureaucracy. His stance on not wanting to press the Nuclear button, his appearance.... this PMQ's faux pas.... I just look at the scruffy tw@t, listen to what he has to say and either cringe or laugh. He is not a credible candidate for Prime Minister! Through what prism have you been observing him and finding out what he said? - and I don't mean out of context snippets
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 25 Aug 16 1.51pm |
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Attachment: | OknotOK Cockfosters, London 25 Aug 16 2.37pm |
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Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
My assessment of him has come about observing him, his actions and what he says.... I've not been told what to think about him! For a start if he had principles he would have backed the EU Leave campaign but he chose to bat for Remain even though that went against his 40 year battle to discredit the EU bureaucracy. His stance on not wanting to press the Nuclear button, his appearance.... this PMQ's faux pas.... I just look at the scruffy tw@t, listen to what he has to say and either cringe or laugh. He is not a credible candidate for Prime Minister! Your constant reference to his appearance says you are strongly influenced by things that should make no difference to you. As JE has suggested, when the public are polled on his stated policies (anonymously) they are almost universally popular. His views are widely shared amongst the public. He struggles with his persona and his media perception. But there's nothing about his political views that make him necessarily unelectable (the closest is probably his views on defense and nuclear weapons).
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| dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 25 Aug 16 4.26pm |
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Originally posted by OknotOK
Your constant reference to his appearance says you are strongly influenced by things that should make no difference to you. As JE has suggested, when the public are polled on his stated policies (anonymously) they are almost universally popular. His views are widely shared amongst the public. He struggles with his persona and his media perception. But there's nothing about his political views that make him necessarily unelectable (the closest is probably his views on defense and nuclear weapons). Just the small matter of him not wanting any. I could see this being a tiny tiny problem.
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pefwin  Where you have to have an English ... 25 Aug 16 6.53pm |
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Originally posted by Charlie Croker
Having used Virgin trains many times, I have no doubt that it became very busy as the train journey progressed, but the CCTV seems to show that it's not very busy when he joins the train. Surely this just shows that regardless of the politician or their ideology, they are all open to spinning a story - or at the very least allowing their PR teams to do just that. Edited by Charlie Croker (24 Aug 2016 5.08pm) Not used Virgin rail for a while, but.... Never had a problem with Virgin and they have always offered a free Breakfast or wine.
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