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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 23 May 17 10.16am

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

Hoping that this will solve the problem is like putting your house on red at the casino.

We need a proper national social care service akin to the NHS. Not this Tory dementia tax.

Lyons is right, they are more forthcoming with preventative measures, how effective we'll find out.

I'm sure I saw on BBC that there is a pill that's either close or should be released and it's being held back till 2019. I'm not sure whether it's preventative, slowing or curing. Current medication doesn't do anything.

 


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Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 23 May 17 10.19am

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

One important point to note is that Corbyn doesn't unilaterally decide on Labour policy. So he's perfectly within his rights, even as leader, to have different opinions from the policies in the manifesto. The important thing is that they are in the manifesto and will be government policy if they win. Trident has always been Labour policy despite Corbyn not being in favour, as has being pro-EU (much as it was official Tory party policy).


It was interesting to see the manifesto launches and the Tories being very much Theresa and her manifesto and Labour being a manifesto from the Labour movement.

I think that was more to do with the currency of the respective leaders. Lots of people have already commented on how few Labour candidates have any reference to Corbyn on their literature.

Whilst the Tories keep being called the Nasty party so they are focusing on May who so far (recent NHS U turn aside) seems to resonate with a lot of people.

 


the dignified don't even enter in the game

Hansy Flag 23 May 17 10.21am

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

One important point to note is that Corbyn doesn't unilaterally decide on Labour policy. So he's perfectly within his rights, even as leader, to have different opinions from the policies in the manifesto. The important thing is that they are in the manifesto and will be government policy if they win. Trident has always been Labour policy despite Corbyn not being in favour, as has being pro-EU (much as it was official Tory party policy).


It was interesting to see the manifesto launches and the Tories being very much Theresa and her manifesto and Labour being a manifesto from the Labour movement.

The leader builds a big part of the manifesto, along with their perspective cabinet. This is the most left-sided manifesto from Labour we have seen in a long time, which suggests Corbyn had a huge part in it.

Maybe not as left as he had hoped, but he had to meet in the middle ground with other Labour MPs for them to sign it off I'd imagine.

Plus reducing the Armed Forces size, removing the Trident etc. Will not be appealing to some that are now swinging towards Labour. Just my opinion.

 

croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 23 May 17 10.21am

Originally posted by susmik

I do not know where you dug that little gem up from because the kids down here do not pay a penny to sit in the dining hall and eat their pack lunches. Also for the £2 a day breakfast club is pretty good too as the kids get a vast choice for what they want. The reason we have to pay £2 per day is because the teachers wanted to make a bit more money for coming in early despite their great wages they get anyway!


I unearthed this gem in your very own daily mail!

 

hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 23 May 17 10.30am

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

One important point to note is that Corbyn doesn't unilaterally decide on Labour policy. So he's perfectly within his rights, even as leader, to have different opinions from the policies in the manifesto. The important thing is that they are in the manifesto and will be government policy if they win. Trident has always been Labour policy despite Corbyn not being in favour, as has being pro-EU (much as it was official Tory party policy).

It was interesting to see the manifesto launches and the Tories being very much Theresa and her manifesto and Labour being a manifesto from the Labour movement.

It is laughable that you think it is feasible for a candidate for Prime Minister to hold diametric views from his manifesto on two of the most important issues, Brexit and defence.

 


We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

Lyons550 Flag Shirley 23 May 17 10.32am

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

Hoping that this will solve the problem is like putting your house on red at the casino.

We need a proper national social care service akin to the NHS. Not this Tory dementia tax.

I agree ...but there again I never said i didnt...

 


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CambridgeEagle Flag Sydenham 23 May 17 10.34am

Originally posted by Hansy

The leader builds a big part of the manifesto, along with their perspective cabinet. This is the most left-sided manifesto from Labour we have seen in a long time, which suggests Corbyn had a huge part in it.

Maybe not as left as he had hoped, but he had to meet in the middle ground with other Labour MPs for them to sign it off I'd imagine.

Plus reducing the Armed Forces size, removing the Trident etc. Will not be appealing to some that are now swinging towards Labour. Just my opinion.

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Also if you read the manifesto they commit to 2% of GDP on defence spending, renewing trident and providing more support for our armed forces personnel in their daily lives. It's the same level of spending as the Tories but with more practical help to the people in the army etc. who are struggling to make ends meet.

 

CambridgeEagle Flag Sydenham 23 May 17 10.37am

Originally posted by hedgehog50

It is laughable that you think it is feasible for a candidate for Prime Minister to hold diametric views from his manifesto on two of the most important issues, Brexit and defence.


Leader do it in all walks of life. What he clearly believes in is doing things collectively and the Labour movement, but allowing individuals to have their own views. I'd fully expect a PM Corbyn to carry out party policy on defence and EU. The Labour party is not a dictatorship and neither is the UK.

 

Kermit8 Flag Hevon 23 May 17 10.38am

Originally posted by hedgehog50

It is laughable that you think it is feasible for a candidate for Prime Minister to hold diametric views from his manifesto on two of the most important issues, Brexit and defence.


I dunno. Thatcher did similar contradictory actions with the EEC/EU and with Northern Ireland and Hong Kong for political expediency and you still voted for her.

 


Big chest and massive boobs

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Hansy Flag 23 May 17 10.40am

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

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Also if you read the manifesto they commit to 2% of GDP on defence spending, renewing trident and providing more support for our armed forces personnel in their daily lives. It's the same level of spending as the Tories but with more practical help to the people in the army etc. who are struggling to make ends meet.

Against what Corbyn believes and campaigned about, yet he's their leader.

Edited by Hansy (23 May 2017 10.41am)

 

legaleagle Flag 23 May 17 10.40am

Originally posted by hedgehog50

It is laughable that you think it is feasible for a candidate for Prime Minister to hold diametric views from his manifesto on two of the most important issues, Brexit and defence.


Arguably, not half as laughable as someone being current Tory PM who actually thinks Brexit could be negative because "we risk bringing the development of the single market to a halt, we risk a loss of investors and businesses to remaining EU member states driven by discriminatory EU policies, and we risk going backwards when it comes to international trade".

Arguably, not half as laughable as being a PM who said only last July that she would not trigger Article 50 “until I think that we have a U.K. approach and objectives for negotiations”....“I think it is important that we establish that before we trigger Article 50.”

Arguably,not half as laughable as being PM of a party which volte faces on its policy on social care in the middle of an election campaign,only a week after announcing said policy.


Edited by legaleagle (23 May 2017 10.41am)

 

Hansy Flag 23 May 17 10.44am

Originally posted by legaleagle


Arguably, not half as laughable as someone being current Tory PM who actually thinks Brexit could be negative because "we risk bringing the development of the single market to a halt, we risk a loss of investors and businesses to remaining EU member states driven by discriminatory EU policies, and we risk going backwards when it comes to international trade".

Arguably, not half as laughable as being a PM who said only last July that she would not trigger Article 50 “until I think that we have a U.K. approach and objectives for negotiations”....“I think it is important that we establish that before we trigger Article 50.”

Arguably,not half as laughable as being PM of a party which volte faces on its policy on social care in the middle of an election campaign,only a week after announcing said policy.


Edited by legaleagle (23 May 2017 10.41am)

How can Corbyn push through laws when he has 3/4 of his party that oppose him?

 

Mr_Gristle Flag In the land of Whelk Eaters 23 May 17 11.06am

Originally posted by Hansy

How can Corbyn push through laws when he has 3/4 of his party that oppose him?

Which new laws do you think his party would try and block? Surely not anything linked to manifesto commitments?

 


Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune)

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 23 May 17 11.08am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Because the poorer you are the more you spend, so if you're taxing mainly goods, it's more as a percentage of income the state is taking the less you earn. You'll end up with CEO's paying 10% tax, having more savings and bigger property portfolios to rent out to plebs.

That is the same as saying that you have less money than some other people.
That is a fact of life.

Why is a flat tax unfair and penalising people for being better off fair? Sounds like the politics of envy to me.

Only a tiny percentage of people are what you could describe as super rich. Even the poorest in the UK are among the richest in the world.

 

Hansy Flag 23 May 17 11.09am

Manifesto commitments wouldn't be the only laws he has to put forward. If he wins, we also have Brexit negotiations and the laws that will need to be adopted during and after talks are finalised.

 

hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 23 May 17 11.15am

Originally posted by Kermit8

I dunno. Thatcher did similar contradictory actions with the EEC/EU and with Northern Ireland and Hong Kong for political expediency and you still voted for her.

I never voted for Thatcher in any election.

 


We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

CambridgeEagle Flag Sydenham 23 May 17 11.16am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

That is the same as saying that you have less money than some other people.
That is a fact of life.

Why is a flat tax unfair and penalising people for being better off fair? Sounds like the politics of envy to me.

Only a tiny percentage of people are what you could describe as super rich. Even the poorest in the UK are among the richest in the world.

A flat tax is unfair as it would mean people on lower incomes pay a higher percentage of their income in tax than rich people do. That's grossly unfair.

Thankfully none of the parties contesting this election are advocating such an appalling policy.

 

Hansy Flag 23 May 17 11.18am

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

A flat tax is unfair as it would mean people on lower incomes pay a higher percentage of their income in tax than rich people do. That's grossly unfair.

Thankfully none of the parties contesting this election are advocating such an appalling policy.

Those in poorer circumstances will see the benefits of the Tax allowance a lot more though. But yeah, I agree it is an appalling system none are going for.

 

CambridgeEagle Flag Sydenham 23 May 17 11.19am

Originally posted by Hansy

Manifesto commitments wouldn't be the only laws he has to put forward. If he wins, we also have Brexit negotiations and the laws that will need to be adopted during and after talks are finalised.


Their manifesto covers laws that would be converted from EU law into UK law i.e. ones that parliament deem to be most worthy, principally those that protect workers' rights and the environment, which the Tories would scrap.

I see no evidence that, if Labour win, their MPs won't back such legislation. They only don't like Corbyn as they don't think he can win. If he does win I would imagine many would be keen to get down to the job of governing.

 

hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 23 May 17 11.19am

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

A flat tax is unfair as it would mean people on lower incomes pay a higher percentage of their income in tax than rich people do. That's grossly unfair.

Thankfully none of the parties contesting this election are advocating such an appalling policy.

It is already here with 20% VAT [VAT of course being something that membership of the EEC (EU) insisted upon]

 


We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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