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HKOwen Hong Kong 12 Mar 23 6.57am
BBC reaping what it has sown. A public broadcaster's version of go woke, go broke. Edited by HKOwen (13 Mar 2023 5.02pm) Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

HKOwen

Hong Kong 12 Mar 23 6.57am

BBC reaping what it has sown.

A public broadcaster's version of go woke, go broke.

Edited by HKOwen (13 Mar 2023 5.02pm)

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

cryrst The garden of England 12 Mar 23 7.07am
Originally posted by inflikted If they had done that immediately then it would still be hypocritical given what they allow their right wing presenters to say, but may have been easier to explain. The fact they were willing to let it die down until hard right MPs complained to the Tory stooges in charge of the BBC that they had sudden heel turn, is the problem. And now Rishi is desperately backpedalling and trying to distance the government from it because it's backfired and they've been found out. Hard right MPs. And your definition of hard right would be ? I doubt anyone on here would object to the poor souls who are escaping persecution the help they need. I think that is a small amount of who is coming in though. How can that be filtered without knowing where they are from and who they are. Why would someone allegedly in many cases destroy their ID if they were genuinely escaping persecution? Surely this would help their case!

cryrst

The garden of England 12 Mar 23 7.07am

Originally posted by inflikted

If they had done that immediately then it would still be hypocritical given what they allow their right wing presenters to say, but may have been easier to explain. The fact they were willing to let it die down until hard right MPs complained to the Tory stooges in charge of the BBC that they had sudden heel turn, is the problem. And now Rishi is desperately backpedalling and trying to distance the government from it because it's backfired and they've been found out.

Hard right MPs. And your definition of hard right would be ?
I doubt anyone on here would object to the poor souls who are escaping persecution the help they need. I think that is a small amount of who is coming in though. How can that be filtered without knowing where they are from and who they are. Why would someone allegedly in many cases destroy their ID if they were genuinely escaping persecution? Surely this would help their case!

georgenorman 12 Mar 23 7.16am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle This has nothing at all to do with any "group of celebrities promoting the idea that we can just have unlimited immigration into this country". Firstly because no-one actually believes that. More importantly, even they did, it's not about that. ________________________________________________________ What are your objections to unlimited immigration? ________________________________________________________ Are you going to answer this - he who responds to every post? Edited by georgenorman (12 Mar 2023 7.16am)

georgenorman

12 Mar 23 7.16am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

This has nothing at all to do with any "group of celebrities promoting the idea that we can just have unlimited immigration into this country".

Firstly because no-one actually believes that. More importantly, even they did, it's not about that.
________________________________________________________

What are your objections to unlimited immigration?
________________________________________________________

Are you going to answer this - he who responds to every post?

Edited by georgenorman (12 Mar 2023 7.16am)

Spiderman Horsham 12 Mar 23 7.40am
Originally posted by inflikted "illegal immigration" (no refugees are illegal under international law) is actually down compared to how it was 20 years ago Economic migrants entering the UK without documentation are illegal entrants. Not sure where you get your figures from. The only possible explanation for it being down is that the main stream media etc insist on calling all illegal entrants “asylum seekers “ Edited by Spiderman (12 Mar 2023 7.44am)

Spiderman

Horsham 12 Mar 23 7.40am

Originally posted by inflikted

"illegal immigration" (no refugees are illegal under international law) is actually down compared to how it was 20 years ago

Economic migrants entering the UK without documentation are illegal entrants. Not sure where you get your figures from. The only possible explanation for it being down is that the main stream media etc insist on calling all illegal entrants “asylum seekers “

Edited by Spiderman (12 Mar 2023 7.44am)

Badger11 Beckenham 12 Mar 23 7.49am
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle What Dyke said may have been true in his day but the BBC rules on impartiality have been tightened up since then due to what is sometimes referred to as the Lineker Effect after his past indiscretions I never thought I would feel sorry for the BBC management but Samson is trying to pull down the temple. Lineker is a first class sh*t for putting the BBC in an untenable position they are dammed if they sanction him and dammed if they don't. He knew what he was doing and seems quite gleeful about it. The issue for me and I suspect the BBC has now moved on from Gary to who actually runs the BBC them or Gary and his football mates. The lunatics cannot be allowed to run the asylum. I suspect that the BBC will cave in which will only encourage the likes of me to demand an end to the licence fee, a pyrrhic victory for Gary and his chums. As for the argument that he is a freelancer this doesn't hold water ask HMRC they are currently in conflict with Gary and a few others over this. According to his supporters the BBC employs Gary's company not him well if that is true the why doesn't other employees of Gary's firm appear on MOTD? You call Pimlico Plumbers you don't get Gary Mullins you get whoever is available. Gary has worked for the BBC for around 20 years not as a stand in when someone is on holiday but as their key sports presenter he is a de facto BBC employee. Whatever happens here I think the BBC will come out of this badly and is yet another nail in their coffin all because he thinks his rights trumps everybody else. If you want free speech Gary join one of the other broadcasters who know doubt will be delighted to hear the political wisdom of a pampered ex footballer who happily takes money from dodgy regimes. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 12 Mar 23 7.49am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

What Dyke said may have been true in his day but the BBC rules on impartiality have been tightened up since then due to what is sometimes referred to as the Lineker Effect after his past indiscretions

I never thought I would feel sorry for the BBC management but Samson is trying to pull down the temple.

Lineker is a first class sh*t for putting the BBC in an untenable position they are dammed if they sanction him and dammed if they don't. He knew what he was doing and seems quite gleeful about it.

The issue for me and I suspect the BBC has now moved on from Gary to who actually runs the BBC them or Gary and his football mates. The lunatics cannot be allowed to run the asylum.

I suspect that the BBC will cave in which will only encourage the likes of me to demand an end to the licence fee, a pyrrhic victory for Gary and his chums.

As for the argument that he is a freelancer this doesn't hold water ask HMRC they are currently in conflict with Gary and a few others over this.

According to his supporters the BBC employs Gary's company not him well if that is true the why doesn't other employees of Gary's firm appear on MOTD? You call Pimlico Plumbers you don't get Gary Mullins you get whoever is available.

Gary has worked for the BBC for around 20 years not as a stand in when someone is on holiday but as their key sports presenter he is a de facto BBC employee.

Whatever happens here I think the BBC will come out of this badly and is yet another nail in their coffin all because he thinks his rights trumps everybody else. If you want free speech Gary join one of the other broadcasters who know doubt will be delighted to hear the political wisdom of a pampered ex footballer who happily takes money from dodgy regimes.

One more point

Midlands Eagle 12 Mar 23 8.49am
Originally posted by Badger11 I never thought I would feel sorry for the BBC management but Samson is trying to pull down the temple. Lineker is a first class sh*t for putting the BBC in an untenable position they are dammed if they sanction him and dammed if they don't. He knew what he was doing and seems quite gleeful about it. The issue for me and I suspect the BBC has now moved on from Gary to who actually runs the BBC them or Gary and his football mates. The lunatics cannot be allowed to run the asylum. I suspect that the BBC will cave in which will only encourage the likes of me to demand an end to the licence fee, a pyrrhic victory for Gary and his chums. As for the argument that he is a freelancer this doesn't hold water ask HMRC they are currently in conflict with Gary and a few others over this. According to his supporters the BBC employs Gary's company not him well if that is true the why doesn't other employees of Gary's firm appear on MOTD? You call Pimlico Plumbers you don't get Gary Mullins you get whoever is available. Gary has worked for the BBC for around 20 years not as a stand in when someone is on holiday but as their key sports presenter he is a de facto BBC employee. Whatever happens here I think the BBC will come out of this badly and is yet another nail in their coffin all because he thinks his rights trumps everybody else. If you want free speech Gary join one of the other broadcasters who know doubt will be delighted to hear the political wisdom of a pampered ex footballer who happily takes money from dodgy regimes. Agreed

Midlands Eagle

12 Mar 23 8.49am

Originally posted by Badger11

I never thought I would feel sorry for the BBC management but Samson is trying to pull down the temple.

Lineker is a first class sh*t for putting the BBC in an untenable position they are dammed if they sanction him and dammed if they don't. He knew what he was doing and seems quite gleeful about it.

The issue for me and I suspect the BBC has now moved on from Gary to who actually runs the BBC them or Gary and his football mates. The lunatics cannot be allowed to run the asylum.

I suspect that the BBC will cave in which will only encourage the likes of me to demand an end to the licence fee, a pyrrhic victory for Gary and his chums.

As for the argument that he is a freelancer this doesn't hold water ask HMRC they are currently in conflict with Gary and a few others over this.

Gary has worked for the BBC for around 20 years not as a stand in when someone is on holiday but as their key sports presenter he is a de facto BBC employee.

Agreed

Palace Old Geezer Midhurst 12 Mar 23 9.08am
What I dislike most about this whole sordid affair is Lineker's look of smug, self satisfaction yesterday after apparently garnering so much support and causing such havoc with the sporting output of the BBC. Dad and I watched games standing on the muddy slope of the Holmesdale Road end. He cheered and I rattled.

Palace Old Geezer

Midhurst 12 Mar 23 9.08am

What I dislike most about this whole sordid affair is Lineker's look of smug, self satisfaction yesterday after apparently garnering so much support and causing such havoc with the sporting output of the BBC.

Dad and I watched games standing on the muddy slope of the Holmesdale Road end. He cheered and I rattled.

Behind Enemy Lines Sussex 12 Mar 23 9.21am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Maybe it's you who is on drugs! What he actually said was that the government are pursuing an:- "immeasurably cruel policy directed at the most vulnerable people in language that is not dissimilar to that used by Germany in the 30s". That's not comparing us to the Third Reich. He thinks the policy is cruel and goes on to describe the language being used. The rhetoric and xenophobic terminology. Not about the people or their politics. Just the language. They are fair points, which are worth discussion, despite what you and Braverman think, or whether anyone else agrees or not. It's an opinion. In a free country we thrive on opinions. This could have been cleared up quite easily if Gary had stepped back and apologised for any offence he may have caused to those who are associated with the German’s actions during the 1930’s. But he didn’t. He has an air of smug superiority that he is always right and therefore no apology is due. Clarkson had the good grace to do so, as have several others who have inadvertently caused offence. But I think Gary designed his comments to be controversial; as such he should reap the ‘benefits’ of his words. hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing.

Behind Enemy Lines

Sussex 12 Mar 23 9.21am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Maybe it's you who is on drugs!

What he actually said was that the government are pursuing an:-

"immeasurably cruel policy directed at the most vulnerable people in language that is not dissimilar to that used by Germany in the 30s".

That's not comparing us to the Third Reich.

He thinks the policy is cruel and goes on to describe the language being used. The rhetoric and xenophobic terminology. Not about the people or their politics. Just the language.

They are fair points, which are worth discussion, despite what you and Braverman think, or whether anyone else agrees or not.

It's an opinion. In a free country we thrive on opinions.

This could have been cleared up quite easily if Gary had stepped back and apologised for any offence he may have caused to those who are associated with the German’s actions during the 1930’s. But he didn’t. He has an air of smug superiority that he is always right and therefore no apology is due. Clarkson had the good grace to do so, as have several others who have inadvertently caused offence. But I think Gary designed his comments to be controversial; as such he should reap the ‘benefits’ of his words.

hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing.

Badger11 Beckenham 12 Mar 23 9.27am
Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines This could have been cleared up quite easily if Gary had stepped back and apologised for any offence he may have caused to those who are associated with the German’s actions during the 1930’s. But he didn’t. He has an air of smug superiority that he is always right and therefore no apology is due. Clarkson had the good grace to do so, as have several others who have inadvertently caused offence. But I think Gary designed his comments to be controversial; as such he should reap the ‘benefits’ of his words. Exactly he could have stepped back from this without a grovelling apology instead he has doubled down. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 12 Mar 23 9.27am

Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines

Exactly he could have stepped back from this without a grovelling apology instead he has doubled down.

One more point

Midlands Eagle 12 Mar 23 9.37am
Interesting analysis of the Laura Kuenssberg on the BBC website in which she is referred to as Laura and the Chancellor of the Exchequer is referred to as Hunt.

Midlands Eagle

12 Mar 23 9.37am

Interesting analysis of the Laura Kuenssberg on the BBC website in which she is referred to as Laura and the Chancellor of the Exchequer is referred to as Hunt.

PalazioVecchio south pole 12 Mar 23 9.51am
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle In all honestly my guess is that the vast majority of the population couldn't care less about transgender or LBQT issues previously we were tolerant and didnt have much of an opinion. Today ? sick and tired of being preached at. Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

PalazioVecchio

south pole 12 Mar 23 9.51am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

In all honestly my guess is that the vast majority of the population couldn't care less about transgender or LBQT issues

previously we were tolerant and didnt have much of an opinion.

Today ?

sick and tired of being preached at.

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

Midlands Eagle 12 Mar 23 10.57am
Originally posted by PalazioVecchio previously we were tolerant and didnt have much of an opinion. Today ? sick and tired of being preached at. I still feel with the economic pressures on us all at the moment, the war in Ukraine and worries about heating costs that LGBQT issues come very low on everyone's priorities apart from the small minority of people directly affected

Midlands Eagle

12 Mar 23 10.57am

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

previously we were tolerant and didnt have much of an opinion.

Today ?

sick and tired of being preached at.

I still feel with the economic pressures on us all at the moment, the war in Ukraine and worries about heating costs that LGBQT issues come very low on everyone's priorities apart from the small minority of people directly affected

PalazioVecchio south pole 12 Mar 23 11.27am
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle I still feel with the economic pressures on us all at the moment, the war in Ukraine and worries about heating costs that LGBQT issues come very low on everyone's priorities apart from the small minority of people directly affected how do you feel about men in lipstick & dresses doing a public reading of Nursery Rhymes to kids ? in a public library ? and these are doctored Lefty nursery rhymes. i was always tolerant of LGBTQ, but now it is looking more and more like an ideological power-grab. Sadiq Khan attempting to tell us all who is the boss. a teacher in Ireland got thrown in jail , ultimately because his christian beliefs conflicted with the he/she/they pronoun madness. Freedom of speech has been destroyed by the likes of Linekar. Putting a gagging order on everybody. He who lives by the gag, dies by the gag. Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

PalazioVecchio

south pole 12 Mar 23 11.27am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

how do you feel about men in lipstick & dresses doing a public reading of Nursery Rhymes to kids ? in a public library ? and these are doctored Lefty nursery rhymes.

i was always tolerant of LGBTQ, but now it is looking more and more like an ideological power-grab. Sadiq Khan attempting to tell us all who is the boss.

a teacher in Ireland got thrown in jail , ultimately because his christian beliefs conflicted with the he/she/they pronoun madness.

Freedom of speech has been destroyed by the likes of Linekar. Putting a gagging order on everybody. He who lives by the gag, dies by the gag.

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

inflikted 12 Mar 23 12.53pm
Originally posted by PalazioVecchio how do you feel about men in lipstick & dresses doing a public reading of Nursery Rhymes to kids ? in a public library ? and these are doctored Lefty nursery rhymes. i was always tolerant of LGBTQ, but now it is looking more and more like an ideological power-grab. Sadiq Khan attempting to tell us all who is the boss. a teacher in Ireland got thrown in jail , ultimately because his christian beliefs conflicted with the he/she/they pronoun madness. Freedom of speech has been destroyed by the likes of Linekar. Putting a gagging order on everybody. He who lives by the gag, dies by the gag. I guess you want classic children's cartoons like Loony Toons banned too? Characters in that were regularly in drag. Milkshakes Against Fascism

inflikted

12 Mar 23 12.53pm

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

how do you feel about men in lipstick & dresses doing a public reading of Nursery Rhymes to kids ? in a public library ? and these are doctored Lefty nursery rhymes.

i was always tolerant of LGBTQ, but now it is looking more and more like an ideological power-grab. Sadiq Khan attempting to tell us all who is the boss.

a teacher in Ireland got thrown in jail , ultimately because his christian beliefs conflicted with the he/she/they pronoun madness.

Freedom of speech has been destroyed by the likes of Linekar. Putting a gagging order on everybody. He who lives by the gag, dies by the gag.

I guess you want classic children's cartoons like Loony Toons banned too? Characters in that were regularly in drag.

Milkshakes Against Fascism

Teddy Eagle 12 Mar 23 1.02pm
ITV to triple Lineker's wages? And he can tweet to his hearts content. It's almost like he's planned it. [Link]

Teddy Eagle

12 Mar 23 1.02pm

ITV to triple Lineker's wages?
And he can tweet to his hearts content.
It's almost like he's planned it.

[Link]

Spiderman Horsham 12 Mar 23 1.02pm
Originally posted by inflikted I guess you want classic children's cartoons like Loony Toons banned too? Characters in that were regularly in drag. Well if the characters were in drag, there is not a cat in hells chance of them being banned

Spiderman

Horsham 12 Mar 23 1.02pm

Originally posted by inflikted

I guess you want classic children's cartoons like Loony Toons banned too? Characters in that were regularly in drag.

Well if the characters were in drag, there is not a cat in hells chance of them being banned

Spiderman Horsham 12 Mar 23 1.05pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle ITV to triple Lineker's wages? And he can tweet to his hearts content. It's almost like he's planned it. [Link] If they are prepared to pay him £4m they have more money than sense. Maybe he already had this offer on the table, upset people, get suspended, then possibly sacked. Large payoff from BBC and then carry on with a god-like status elsewhere.

Spiderman

Horsham 12 Mar 23 1.05pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

ITV to triple Lineker's wages?
And he can tweet to his hearts content.
It's almost like he's planned it.

[Link]

If they are prepared to pay him £4m they have more money than sense.
Maybe he already had this offer on the table, upset people, get suspended, then possibly sacked. Large payoff from BBC and then carry on with a god-like status elsewhere.

Teddy Eagle 12 Mar 23 1.08pm
Originally posted by Spiderman If they are prepared to pay him £4m they have more money than sense. Maybe he already had this offer on the table, upset people, get suspended, then possibly sacked. Large payoff from BBC and then carry on with a god-like status elsewhere. That would be like criticising Qatar's human rights record then taking £1.6m from them. How likely is that for such a principled person?

Teddy Eagle

12 Mar 23 1.08pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

That would be like criticising Qatar's human rights record then taking £1.6m from them. How likely is that for such a principled person?

inflikted 12 Mar 23 1.30pm
PSA saying you "used to tolerate" gay people is really not a good look. Milkshakes Against Fascism

inflikted

12 Mar 23 1.30pm

PSA saying you "used to tolerate" gay people is really not a good look.

Milkshakes Against Fascism

georgenorman 12 Mar 23 1.49pm
Originally posted by georgenorman Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle This has nothing at all to do with any "group of celebrities promoting the idea that we can just have unlimited immigration into this country". Firstly because no-one actually believes that. More importantly, even they did, it's not about that. ________________________________________________________ What are your objections to unlimited immigration? ________________________________________________________ Are you going to answer this - he who responds to every post? Edited by georgenorman (12 Mar 2023 7.16am) The silence is deafening - and very telling.

georgenorman

12 Mar 23 1.49pm

Originally posted by georgenorman

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

This has nothing at all to do with any "group of celebrities promoting the idea that we can just have unlimited immigration into this country".

Firstly because no-one actually believes that. More importantly, even they did, it's not about that.
________________________________________________________

What are your objections to unlimited immigration?
________________________________________________________

Are you going to answer this - he who responds to every post?

Edited by georgenorman (12 Mar 2023 7.16am)

The silence is deafening - and very telling.

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