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I wonder if you contravene the forum's rule 14 which includes "14.Do not use The Holmesdale Online's features in a manner that adversely affects the availability of its resources to other users (e.g. excessive shouting [use of all caps] or flooding [continuous posting of repetitive text or topics])."

I wouldn't mind betting that you've spouted on about representatives and not delegates at least fifty times in this thread until most of us are heartily sick of hearing it.

Your cynicism is unworthy. Most MPs do a thoroughly decent and public spirited job.

I have a great deal of time for my own local MP, Sarah Newton who has helped me on occasions with problems. I also think Ben Bradshaw in Exeter is a sound guy but there are many more.

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2 from 650...well done....what about all the expense fiddlers, the drunks, the liars (Peterboro MP) ????
Most/all MPs claim vast expenses, they have subsidised bars and restaurants and are only in it for what they can get out of it..ie David Millibband, Neil Kinnock etc etc getting fat at your and my expense via the EU, thats why they dont want to get out, it will derail their gravy train..

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Happily. When no more transparent falsehoods are claimed and the insults stop there will be no more need.

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I think it's neither.

It's much more likely that there is now greater public scrutiny of, and less deference to, public figures who in the past were regarded as our betters.

It's all society which has changed.

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Spouting on? Continuous posting of repetitive text? I always post in the context of the post I am responding to and rarely to never in an original comment. There have been far more than 50 times in this thread when the basic understanding of how our democratic system actually works is in error. Do you seriously want such mistakes to stand? This is not just an opinion by the way. It's a cold hard fact.

If the point was taken and accepted then there would be no need for constant reminder. All I am doing is stating fact in the face of repeated denial of fact.

So when the repeated denial of facts ceases so will the need to state the facts.

Falsehoods ought never be allowed to stand unchallenged. That's how fake news spreads and conspiracy theories flourish. If things aren't true then they need to be shown not to be true and that applies just as much to me as to anyone else.

So if our system isn't a Parliamentary democracy and we actually elect delegates and not representatives let someone explain why that is. No-one has yet tried to, but just go on posting the same mistaken claims.

If you want any verification then listen to the lawyers presenting their case to the Supreme Court. They could hardly have been clearer on this subject and they repeated it many times to the Justices. Maybe you will believe them if you don't believe me.

This matters, because unless and until folk understand that their approaches are based on a fundamental error of understanding there is no chance that this country can begin to heal.

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A YouGov survey shows that there is a majority of the population that shows that they aren't happy with MPs doing their own thing and would prefer a more direct democracy

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Imagine having a job where your employer pays your wages and you say, 'I'll do what I like'.

No, the people are ultimately sovereign and their wishes can't be divorced from their parliament like this clown pushes.

A certain type of elite needs a certain type of reckoning.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Are you saying they previously “got away” with the things which now get them suspended? If so that doesn’t speak well of the calibre of those entrusted to decide what’s best for the rest of us.