Errrr....This act was approved by the Queen.

The courts have literally said an act she approved was illegal....they have stepped into the political sphere....So now so should the Queen.

The session brought to an end was one of the longest in parliamentary history.

A general election will kick out these weasels.

Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Sep 2019 7.59pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

I think Parliament will assert itself over the government, and that the UK will remain in the EU.

There is a real power shift here to parliament.

Of course, it was about delivering Brexit. And quite rightly so. I am beyond caring about the legal niceties because it is all bollocks of the highest order. Way past that, ever since we did not leave on March 29th as we were meant to.

f*** Parliament and f*** those judges. We were asked to make a choice and were assured it would be acted upon. And we did. A victory for leaving the EU. Parliament supported the process for leaving to be started, none of which mentioned it requiring a deal of any kind and we should now be out. End of story.

Instead, we are not. I don't care now if it takes a full-on revolution to achieve the outcome. We played by the rules. We voted on June 23rd and did everything that was asked of us. And have already been stiffed the once. If we still in on November 1st then as far as I am concerned then all bets are off. Why should I ever bother wasting my time to vote if I have no faith it will be acted upon?

Ultimately democracy does boil down to one side winning and the other(s) losing. And one side did win. No ifs, no buts. Ignore that and the centre does not hold.

Edited by Matov (24 Sep 2019 8.01pm)

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Corbyn was offered a GE, he turned down the offer!! Mainly because hes a c***

Oh indeed. And opens up a whole can of worms down the road. Who needs an official opposition anymore when Judges can best decide for us? In fact, why not do away with MP's altogether? And elections. Utterly pointless really. Perhaps make them all just advisory from now on? Let 11 people from privilaged backgrounds decide what is the best for us all.

Or lets just have Graduates voting. Or people who own property worth more than say a million quid? Or at least have their votes worth a litte bit more than everybody elses.

And certainly not a referendum where votes are simply put into two piles with the largest one being deemed the winner. That is just plain daft and, when you think about it logically, not democracy at all. Pure populism. In fact, the losing side should now actually be the winners. Because the winners did not know what they were voting for. Thick f***ers that they are.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

The only person (or people) who have embarrassed her is Boris and his advisors.

I rather think it's worth remembering what the president of the supreme court said before kick off - that there were serious and difficult question as evidenced "by the fact that three senior judges in Scotland have reached a different conclusion to three senior judges in England and Wales”.

That narrative paints her as a simpleton.

We shall see......Perhaps we should be doing away with the whole system.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

The Queen (or any sitting monarch) has been purely a symbolic part of the process for decades and decades. She relies purely on advice from the sitting government.

The problem in trying to have a "reasoned debate" with you is that no amount of reason seems to penetrate your fixed position. No matter when areas of agreement can be offered, or compromises suggested nothing changes. The post above could have been written 100 pages ago, minus the new target, the Judiciary.

I know my position also remains firm but mine is based on verifiable facts some of which have now been unanimously confirmed by the highest Court in the land.

I, nor I believe does anyone else, think those who hold your position are "w***ers" of the highest order". I just think you are mistaken about the way our democracy works and that your attitudes and frustrations all flow from that.

Unfortunately Johnson is reinforcing those attitudes, entirely for his own reasons, in his efforts to position this as "Boris and the Brexiteers defending the people against the elite", when the truth is that it's absolutely the very opposite. This is Parliament and the law defending the people against an elite.

The hard line Brexiteers are no more "the people" than Corbyn's hard liners are. Most of the 52% wouldn't have come from that group but were sucked in to that camp for a variety of reasons. Therefore to make the claims that he does, and you repeat, that the vote of the majority being betrayed is simply untrue.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.