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  Hrolf The Ganger  11 Nov 16 11.34am |
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Originally posted by Cucking Funt
You miss my point. It was seen as normal and utterly unremarkable. Not missing the point. You are correct. Just suggesting that religious belief is often political.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 11 Nov 16 11.41am |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Ok you need some help here. The SNP voted against the Parliamentary Act for the Referendum in the House of Commons. They did not enter Scotland 'in good faith'. They had to legally. They now, possibly, have the legal right to put Brexit proposals before the Scottish Parliament. They are exploring if they can very soon. And If successful they can they can block things that the Scottish people don't agree with. It's going to be all above board if it happens. But no doubt there will whining and bitching from those who go on about the importance of democracy even though that's exactly what will be happening in its purest form in Holyrood. Imagine, for example, for a country to leave the EU the whole of the EU could vote on it. The Country votes 62% to Leave but when all the votes are tallied from other countries Remain wins overall. Wouldn't be fair would it? It would be democratic - the people who have a right to vote have voted - but it wouldn't be fair. Then, the country discovers it can take the decision back to its own Parliament to enforce the will of its own people. Hoorah - victory! That's the very similar scenario for Scotland being played out now. They didn't want the referendum in the first place. I, for one, hope they - the people- succeed. Edited by Kermit8 (10 Nov 2016 11.07pm) Key point, they lost. And with so few votes for so many seats in Parliament it would have been a travesty otherwise. Now they want their haggis and eat it by trying to use the Scottish Parliament to ignore the referendum. I would suggest that we should throw Scottish MP's out of Westminster since they can't abide by. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (11 Nov 2016 11.42am)
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| We are goin up! Coulsdon 11 Nov 16 11.45am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Key point, they lost. And with so few votes for so many seats in Parliament it would have been a travesty otherwise. Now they want their haggis and eat it by trying to use the Scottish Parliament to ignore the referendum. I would suggest that we should throw Scottish MP's out of Westminster since they can't abide by.
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| Hoof Hearted 11 Nov 16 11.46am | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Ok you need some help here. The SNP voted against the Parliamentary Act for the Referendum in the House of Commons. They did not enter Scotland 'in good faith'. They had to legally. They now, possibly, have the legal right to put Brexit proposals before the Scottish Parliament. They are exploring if they can very soon. And If successful they can they can block things that the Scottish people don't agree with. It's going to be all above board if it happens. But no doubt there will whining and bitching from those who go on about the importance of democracy even though that's exactly what will be happening in its purest form in Holyrood. Imagine, for example, for a country to leave the EU the whole of the EU could vote on it. The Country votes 62% to Leave but when all the votes are tallied from other countries Remain wins overall. Wouldn't be fair would it? It would be democratic - the people who have a right to vote have voted - but it wouldn't be fair. Then, the country discovers it can take the decision back to its own Parliament to enforce the will of its own people. Hoorah - victory! That's the very similar scenario for Scotland being played out now. They didn't want the referendum in the first place. I, for one, hope they - the people- succeed. Edited by Kermit8 (10 Nov 2016 11.07pm) Sorry Kermit but your "musings" are utter tripe. The Referendum was for the whole of the UK. The fact that some parts of the country voted in favour of remain, or women voted in favour of remain or those under 21 did etc etc....makes not a blind bit of difference. The UK voted to leave.... End of. 65% of much less than 7% of the UK population (ie the Scotland Remain voters) are unhappy with the outcome.... so what?
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| susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 11 Nov 16 11.49am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Key point, they lost. And with so few votes for so many seats in Parliament it would have been a travesty otherwise. Now they want their haggis and eat it by trying to use the Scottish Parliament to ignore the referendum. I would suggest that we should throw Scottish MP's out of Westminster since they can't abide by. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (11 Nov 2016 11.42am) I only wish we could throw out the Scottish MP's from Westminster as they have always said they would make it hard for us when it comes to voting. Its about time they towed the line and accepted they have to do as they are told now by a national vote and not just to back up the poison dwarf that is Nicola Sturgeon. She is quite a vindictive person and just makes trouble. Perhaps we should let Scotland leave the UK and go it on their own. They will of course then come up with "we will still want the cash from England though as we cannot survive on our own"....They want to eat their haggis and yet keep it...?????
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| matt_himself Matataland 11 Nov 16 12.34pm |
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Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
Sorry Kermit but your "musings" are utter tripe. The Referendum was for the whole of the UK. The fact that some parts of the country voted in favour of remain, or women voted in favour of remain or those under 21 did etc etc....makes not a blind bit of difference. The UK voted to leave.... End of. 65% of much less than 7% of the UK population (ie the Scotland Remain voters) are unhappy with the outcome.... so what? Let's remove the Barnett Formula now and show these malcontents what life would be like outside of Her Majesty's sacred Kingdom. It would involve either proper austerity, making the current austerity looking very pansy, or astronomical debt resulting in proper austerity, making the current austerity looking very pansy.
"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02 |
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 11 Nov 16 12.42pm |
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Originally posted by We are goin up!
I think this stems from the fact that SNP largely succeed in Scotland but subsuming the support of the Scottish Labour Party etc. Until Corbyn ended up leader of the Labour Party (in a remarkably Trump like manner) the SNP were probably the 'opposition' in the UK parliament - far more than the Milipedo style New Labour ever was.
"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" |
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 11 Nov 16 12.45pm |
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Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
Sorry Kermit but your "musings" are utter tripe. The Referendum was for the whole of the UK. The fact that some parts of the country voted in favour of remain, or women voted in favour of remain or those under 21 did etc etc....makes not a blind bit of difference. The UK voted to leave.... End of. 65% of much less than 7% of the UK population (ie the Scotland Remain voters) are unhappy with the outcome.... so what? Don't be silly, the UK voted to leave, but Scotland overwhelming voted to remain. There's no ignoring that fact, and that's largely how the SNP have flourished by exploiting the fact that Scots are largely overlooked by the UK (rightly or wrongly). Its the same rhetoric as UKIP peddle (albeit a more left wing version). Regardless, they're representatives elected by their constituents, to represent their issues, which clearly include not wanting to leave the EU.
"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" |
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 11 Nov 16 12.48pm |
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Originally posted by susmik
I only wish we could throw out the Scottish MP's from Westminster as they have always said they would make it hard for us when it comes to voting. Its about time they towed the line and accepted they have to do as they are told now by a national vote and not just to back up the poison dwarf that is Nicola Sturgeon. She is quite a vindictive person and just makes trouble. Perhaps we should let Scotland leave the UK and go it on their own. They will of course then come up with "we will still want the cash from England though as we cannot survive on our own"....They want to eat their haggis and yet keep it...????? Really, I wish that UK MPs were as interested in the representation of their constituents as the SNP seems to be.
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| sickboy Deal or Croydon 11 Nov 16 12.51pm |
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Isnt it funny how people bang on about democracy until the result goes against their viewpoint. Then watch the wriggling start.
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| Part Time James 11 Nov 16 12.53pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Don't be silly, the UK voted to leave, but Scotland overwhelming voted to remain. There's no ignoring that fact, and that's largely how the SNP have flourished by exploiting the fact that Scots are largely overlooked by the UK (rightly or wrongly). Its the same rhetoric as UKIP peddle (albeit a more left wing version). Regardless, they're representatives elected by their constituents, to represent their issues, which clearly include not wanting to leave the EU. How is that silly? He's suggested if you break it down into different demographics you could come up with all sorts of stats but ultimately it was the UK voting in the referendum, not Scotland and the rest of the UK as two separate things. Hoof even made some sensible observation that if women and men had voted out disproportionately we would've laughed off a demand by a specific gender to re-vote or cast aside the decision. Maybe it needs to be more ludicrous. Does anyone know the split of dog owners vs non-dog owners that voted to leave? Was there overwhelming support from spaniel owners? I demand a second referendum. And some free Pedigree Chum.
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| susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 11 Nov 16 12.57pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Really, I wish that UK MPs were as interested in the representation of their constituents as the SNP seems to be. I know my MP Johnny Mercer is concerned about aspects of his constituents and is always available to have a chat with. I like you wish all MP's could be the same. In regard to the Scottish MP's they are having a ball with poison dwarf in charge justifying their existence in the government and just want to reap havoc I am afraid Jamie. They said they would and boy are they having a good do. Its a good Theresa May puts the little poison dwarf in her place.
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| Sedlescombe Sedlescombe 11 Nov 16 12.58pm |
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Originally posted by We are goin up!
The EU referendum was to decide if the UK, not Scotland, remained part of the European Union. It really is that simple. So you would presumably also agree that Scotland would be entitled to review that decision if they wanted to given the UK vote.
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| Sedlescombe Sedlescombe 11 Nov 16 1.09pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Funnily enough the majority chose Clinton - she got more votes - so not democratic at all really. Fvcked up system. He's a tw@t and she's a bunny boiler. Been better if neither of them had got in. I suspect the founding fathers might think the Electoral College has done its job, not out of sympathy for a borderline fascist as Trump (and I normally loathe the use of fascist as a term of political abuse but in Trump's case there is some truth to it) but the system was designed to stop it just being about the most populous areas and make even the smaller states important. It may be an odd system and it does appear to favour the Republicans. It also produces outcomes I don't like but there is a logic in requiring politicians to appeal across the country and not just in the big population areas.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 11 Nov 16 1.10pm |
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Originally posted by Sedlescombe
So you would presumably also agree that Scotland would be entitled to review that decision if they wanted to given the UK vote. No. They voted as part of Britain not as Scotland.
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| Stuk Top half 11 Nov 16 1.12pm |
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Originally posted by Part Time James
How is that silly? He's suggested if you break it down into different demographics you could come up with all sorts of stats but ultimately it was the UK voting in the referendum, not Scotland and the rest of the UK as two separate things. Hoof even made some sensible observation that if women and men had voted out disproportionately we would've laughed off a demand by a specific gender to re-vote or cast aside the decision. Maybe it needs to be more ludicrous. Does anyone know the split of dog owners vs non-dog owners that voted to leave? Was there overwhelming support from spaniel owners? I demand a second referendum. And some free Pedigree Chum. Scotland seems to forget that it's not an EU member, the UK is.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 11 Nov 16 1.16pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Don't be silly, the UK voted to leave, but Scotland overwhelming voted to remain. There's no ignoring that fact, and that's largely how the SNP have flourished by exploiting the fact that Scots are largely overlooked by the UK (rightly or wrongly). Its the same rhetoric as UKIP peddle (albeit a more left wing version). Regardless, they're representatives elected by their constituents, to represent their issues, which clearly include not wanting to leave the EU. Weird logic. Scotland is part of the UK. Would it be OK for California to reject Trump as President because they voted for Clinton. And before you tell me that's different, it really isn't.
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| mezzer Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 11 Nov 16 1.16pm |
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Originally posted by Part Time James
How is that silly? He's suggested if you break it down into different demographics you could come up with all sorts of stats but ultimately it was the UK voting in the referendum, not Scotland and the rest of the UK as two separate things. Hoof even made some sensible observation that if women and men had voted out disproportionately we would've laughed off a demand by a specific gender to re-vote or cast aside the decision. Maybe it needs to be more ludicrous. Does anyone know the split of dog owners vs non-dog owners that voted to leave? Was there overwhelming support from spaniel owners? I demand a second referendum. And some free Pedigree Chum. Must be rubbish being a dog-owning voter. They never seem to winalot.
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| Sedlescombe Sedlescombe 11 Nov 16 1.20pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
No. They voted as part of Britain not as Scotland.
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| Stuk Top half 11 Nov 16 1.23pm |
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Originally posted by Sedlescombe
They still can't stay. They're not a member. They would have to apply and then change currency, amongst a whole host of other things, before even being considered. Edited by Stuk (11 Nov 2016 1.24pm)
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