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EddieMac Flag 09 Jan 21 10.02am

Originally posted by Spiderman

I have, you are right but why were we expecting Eze to mark one of the strongest running wingers in the PL? We had an International LB playing, although you wouldn’t have thought it. I find the criticism of Eze staggering

I 100% agree about finding the criticism of Eze to be madness. PVA was standing in no mans land a good 10 metres back. Any decent full back would have anticipated Eze getting taken on and been there to mop up.

PVA doesn’t look like he cares anymore so it is for the best if he just runs down his contract and moves on. Which is what he has planned for a while anyway.

 

EddieMac Flag 09 Jan 21 10.06am

Originally posted by Spiderman

Don’t agree sorry, you don’t go through the Ajax youth academy and play in Europa league final if you are not even Champioship standard, but it’s a game of opinions though isn’t it

Edited by Spiderman (09 Jan 2021 9.58am)

He may be a decent player playing in a back 5. (Which is why FDB signed him), but in my opinion he is completely out of his depth in midfield. Roy has to take slot of flack for preserving with trying to turn him into a centre mid player when it’s plain to see he is not capable.

 

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 09 Jan 21 10.10am

Originally posted by Spiderman

Don’t agree sorry, you don’t go through the Ajax youth academy and play in Europa league final if you are not even Champioship standard, but it’s a game of opinions though isn’t it

Edited by Spiderman (09 Jan 2021 9.58am)

Riedewald was purchased by FDB with a view to deploying him in a back three or in midfield.

Probably about 3 or 4 years ago it had been commented that he had moments when he 'Switches off' but the same could be said of every player!
My understanding is that around that time Messrs Hodgson and Lewington were of the opinion that the lad does not react and get back fast enough in the PL but these views might not hold at the present time.

What I would assert about Riedewald is that when he gets the ball to feet I have a degree of confidence that he will find one of our players with a pass in fact when he signed I had heard that one of his attributes was his long range passing.
The Ajax academy does produce players who are comfortable in possession.

 

NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 09 Jan 21 10.20am

Last nights team selection looked like the names had been drawn out of a hat.

With the predictable resulting lame performance and meek exit from the competition.

I'm not bothered about a cup run as such, but the approach to a competitive game is important and it was all wrong last night.

To not even draw a save from the opposition goalkeeper is a complete embarrassment

 


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Slimey Toad Flag Karsiyaka, North Cyprus 09 Jan 21 11.11am

PVA being skipped past by Traore in the Second half for what should have been Wolves 2nd goal was embarrassing.

 

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 09 Jan 21 11.14am

Originally posted by Slimey Toad

PVA being skipped past by Traore in the Second half for what should have been Wolves 2nd goal was embarrassing.

It was disgraceful, but PVA has been guilty of abject embarrassing defending in recent games.
His whole body language is shouting "I want out".

 

Slimey Toad Flag Karsiyaka, North Cyprus 09 Jan 21 11.14am

For RH to seemingly dismiss the defeat as being undone by a wonder goal is breathtaking in it's denial. Poor defending, and Guiata would have quite likely saved the shot (but Butland was coming back from a long lay-off and otherwise played rather well so no blame attached to him).

 

southnorwoodhill Flag 09 Jan 21 11.16am

Originally posted by Willo

It was disgraceful, but PVA has been guilty of abject embarrassing defending in recent games.
His whole body language is shouting "I want out".

Yet Hodgson has been selecting him, despite the fact that there is more than adequate cover. Poor square peg round hole Roy!

 

taylors lovechild Flag 09 Jan 21 11.18am

It was a weird game. It was like we were watching an over-50s walking football team. There was so little movement that players ended up having to constantly pass sideways and backwards. Ayew was the only really dynamic player and he may be knocking on Roy's door ahead of the Arsenal game. Other than that...

PvA stood so far off Traore that I thought he must have some kind of restraining order. McCarthy looked like it was pub closing time and he was looking to start a fight with everyone, and our front two were just useless, summed up when a ball to Batshuayi hit him on the back!

Like most of our cup games under Roy it was a non event and felt more like a training exercise or preseason game. Nuno put out his first team because he said he wants the club to respect the cup. He is one of the few managers left that seems to have that opinion until you get to the quarter-finals.

 

Slimey Toad Flag Karsiyaka, North Cyprus 09 Jan 21 11.22am

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

It was a weird game. It was like we were watching an over-50s walking football team. There was so little movement that players ended up having to constantly pass sideways and backwards. Ayew was the only really dynamic player and he may be knocking on Roy's door ahead of the Arsenal game. Other than that...

PvA stood so far off Traore that I thought he must have some kind of restraining order. McCarthy looked like it was pub closing time and he was looking to start a fight with everyone, and our front two were just useless, summed up when a ball to Batshuayi hit him on the back!

Like most of our cup games under Roy it was a non event and felt more like a training exercise or preseason game. Nuno put out his first team because he said he wants the club to respect the cup. He is one of the few managers left that seems to have that opinion until you get to the quarter-finals.


How about that? A foreign manager having more respect for the Cup than 'Old School' English Roy Hodgson.

 

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 09 Jan 21 11.22am

Originally posted by Slimey Toad

For RH to seemingly dismiss the defeat as being undone by a wonder goal is breathtaking in it's denial. Poor defending, and Guiata would have quite likely saved the shot (but Butland was coming back from a long lay-off and otherwise played rather well so no blame attached to him).

What darned "Wonder goal" ?

Overhead kick, beats 3 men, scored from one's own half,mazy dribble, multiple passes leading to goal ????
Traore cuts in, given acres of space, no challenge at all and scores from inside the area.

 

jeeagles Flag 09 Jan 21 11.25am

Originally posted by Slimey Toad

For RH to seemingly dismiss the defeat as being undone by a wonder goal is breathtaking in it's denial. Poor defending, and Guiata would have quite likely saved the shot (but Butland was coming back from a long lay-off and otherwise played rather well so no blame attached to him).

I'm glad people are starting to realise the amount of media friendly s*** he spouts after games.

If you don't watch our games, up until recently it is possible to realise how bad the problems are.

Looking at the Sheffield United game last week. Whilst there scorelines haven't been bad, once teams take a 1-0 lead against them they know there won't be any risk of losing. That's pretty much what it's like playing us. If we don't score in the first 14 minutes, we don't win. If we don't score first, we lose.

 

Dixie Eagle Flag Chatham 09 Jan 21 11.45am

I'd sooner see us relegated than play like that every week. It was yet another predictable embarrassment.

 

Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 09 Jan 21 12.00pm

I could see the problem as soon as I saw the selections and gap between central midfield and attack at the beginning. Switched over soon after the goal. Nothing missed..... again.

 


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Booted Eagle Flag Bristol 09 Jan 21 12.07pm

Said about square pegs in round holes before the match. Needed a cohesive team with some passion but not to be. Not surprising under rinse and repeat Roy.

Edited by Booted Eagle (09 Jan 2021 12.09pm)

 


“ [T]here are known knowns; there are things we know that we know.There are known unknowns; that is to say there are things that, we now know we don't know.But there are also unknown unknowns – there are things we do not know we don't know. ”
—United States Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld

doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 09 Jan 21 12.13pm

Originally posted by jeeagles

I'm glad people are starting to realise the amount of media friendly s*** he spouts after games.

If you don't watch our games, up until recently it is possible to realise how bad the problems are.

Looking at the Sheffield United game last week. Whilst there scorelines haven't been bad, once teams take a 1-0 lead against them they know there won't be any risk of losing. That's pretty much what it's like playing us. If we don't score in the first 14 minutes, we don't win. If we don't score first, we lose.


Since 'Project Restart', that has been the case (apart from a couple of draws against Spurs). The converse is also true - when we score first, we don't lose (it's been almost 30 games of scoring first since we last got beat).

Last season prior to lockdown, we had a good record of winning points from losing positions (W. Ham twice, Brighton, Citeh, Arsenal, Norwich).

 

Spiderman Flag Horsham 09 Jan 21 12.21pm

Originally posted by Willo

What darned "Wonder goal" ?

Overhead kick, beats 3 men, scored from one's own half,mazy dribble, multiple passes leading to goal ????
Traore cuts in, given acres of space, no challenge at all and scores from inside the area.

He was outside the box. Agreed poor defending but still an extremely good strike

 

Booted Eagle Flag Bristol 09 Jan 21 12.21pm

Originally posted by jeeagles

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A couple of seasons old but still a good indicator.

Jimmy Mac has clocked up the most milage in a game for us this season at 33.

In the article, the Palace player with most miles covered in a game was Max Meyer.

Seems like the players are clocking up the miles. One reason for Luka being top in 2019 was lack of rotation.

Obviously this doesn't include sprints but it's still the best indicator I could find.

Other reasons exist which means stats can be manipulated, but there are only so aren't many ways to creatively manipulated a ratio of distance and time.

Conclusion - the way we are set up is a bigger issue than age.

Correct. But why not kill 2 birds with 1 stone and put out a team of 11 with every position with a player who is playing in their favoured position, be it the youngsters and fringe players ? The FA Cup has become so debased now that it is largely a free hit. Think it is clear Roy isn't tough enough with a fair few members of the current squad to do this, producing the shambles like last night.

 


“ [T]here are known knowns; there are things we know that we know.There are known unknowns; that is to say there are things that, we now know we don't know.But there are also unknown unknowns – there are things we do not know we don't know. ”
—United States Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld

silvertop Flag Portishead 09 Jan 21 12.22pm

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

It was a weird game. It was like we were watching an over-50s walking football team. There was so little movement that players ended up having to constantly pass sideways and backwards. Ayew was the only really dynamic player and he may be knocking on Roy's door ahead of the Arsenal game. Other than that...

PvA stood so far off Traore that I thought he must have some kind of restraining order. McCarthy looked like it was pub closing time and he was looking to start a fight with everyone, and our front two were just useless, summed up when a ball to Batshuayi hit him on the back!

Like most of our cup games under Roy it was a non event and felt more like a training exercise or preseason game. Nuno put out his first team because he said he wants the club to respect the cup. He is one of the few managers left that seems to have that opinion until you get to the quarter-finals.

Roy once said the cup is not the glittering prize it was.

Also, we had a good cup run a few years ago and the club were able to count the beans and assess the relative benefits of progressing.

I suspect we went into last night with that attitude. The cup is not worth the candle.

Thus your description is quite possibly what happened.

 

Jacey Flag 09 Jan 21 12.26pm

Originally posted by Willo

What darned "Wonder goal" ?

Overhead kick, beats 3 men, scored from one's own half,mazy dribble, multiple passes leading to goal ????
Traore cuts in, given acres of space, no challenge at all and scores from inside the area.

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