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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 20 Apr 22 10.12pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays She's been making steady progress for years now. As the direction Macron seeks will only result in more decline I think the next election will be her moment. Hopefully it will only last a moment, in political terms. Just a one term Presidency, in which she clashes frequently with the EU and especially Germany, gets nothing done because she is blocked at every turn by EU directives. Her supporters get frustrated and split, with the really far right gaining ground. She would probably try to follow them, as that's her natural home, and her popularity with the centre right would decline again, and out she goes. All speculation, of course, but the latter half of this decade could be a very uncomfortable one for France. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 20 Apr 22 10.12pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

She's been making steady progress for years now. As the direction Macron seeks will only result in more decline I think the next election will be her moment.

Hopefully it will only last a moment, in political terms. Just a one term Presidency, in which she clashes frequently with the EU and especially Germany, gets nothing done because she is blocked at every turn by EU directives. Her supporters get frustrated and split, with the really far right gaining ground. She would probably try to follow them, as that's her natural home, and her popularity with the centre right would decline again, and out she goes.

All speculation, of course, but the latter half of this decade could be a very uncomfortable one for France.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Stirlingsays 21 Apr 22 4.51am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Hopefully it will only last a moment, in political terms. Just a one term Presidency, in which she clashes frequently with the EU and especially Germany, gets nothing done because she is blocked at every turn by EU directives. Her supporters get frustrated and split, with the really far right gaining ground. She would probably try to follow them, as that's her natural home, and her popularity with the centre right would decline again, and out she goes. All speculation, of course, but the latter half of this decade could be a very uncomfortable one for France. All a bit fan fiction, but fair enough I have no issue with speculation from your perspective. All I can say is that from the direction Europe and obviously France is travelling it appears likely that Le Pen has a great chance next time round......but that's not particularly hard to summise, similar to predicting the Democrats losing badly in November. Over and above that I haven't a clue.....the way our elites are running things I'll be happy to still be breathing. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

21 Apr 22 4.51am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

All speculation, of course, but the latter half of this decade could be a very uncomfortable one for France.

All a bit fan fiction, but fair enough I have no issue with speculation from your perspective.

All I can say is that from the direction Europe and obviously France is travelling it appears likely that Le Pen has a great chance next time round......but that's not particularly hard to summise, similar to predicting the Democrats losing badly in November.

Over and above that I haven't a clue.....the way our elites are running things I'll be happy to still be breathing.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Badger11 Beckenham 21 Apr 22 7.58am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Hopefully it will only last a moment, in political terms. Just a one term Presidency, in which she clashes frequently with the EU and especially Germany, gets nothing done because she is blocked at every turn by EU directives. Her supporters get frustrated and split, with the really far right gaining ground. She would probably try to follow them, as that's her natural home, and her popularity with the centre right would decline again, and out she goes. All speculation, of course, but the latter half of this decade could be a very uncomfortable one for France. Ah yes the democratic EU that doesn't interfere in the internal politics of its members One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 21 Apr 22 7.58am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Hopefully it will only last a moment, in political terms. Just a one term Presidency, in which she clashes frequently with the EU and especially Germany, gets nothing done because she is blocked at every turn by EU directives. Her supporters get frustrated and split, with the really far right gaining ground. She would probably try to follow them, as that's her natural home, and her popularity with the centre right would decline again, and out she goes.

All speculation, of course, but the latter half of this decade could be a very uncomfortable one for France.

Ah yes the democratic EU that doesn't interfere in the internal politics of its members

One more point

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 21 Apr 22 10.11am
Originally posted by Badger11 Ah yes the democratic EU that doesn't interfere in the internal politics of its members There is a huge difference between "interfering" and the member's voluntary agreeing to abide by decisions taken at EU level. Become a member, then you make that agreement. Some things you will like, some you won't, but there will always be some people who believe they are all wrong. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 21 Apr 22 10.11am

Originally posted by Badger11

Ah yes the democratic EU that doesn't interfere in the internal politics of its members

There is a huge difference between "interfering" and the member's voluntary agreeing to abide by decisions taken at EU level. Become a member, then you make that agreement. Some things you will like, some you won't, but there will always be some people who believe they are all wrong.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

PalazioVecchio south pole 21 Apr 22 10.15am
the emergence of Religious ethno-politics in France (or anywhere else) is not new. Belgium & France know all about it. We have seen in Northern Ireland that it can be a dangerous thing. below is the kind of thing that fuels the rise of Le Pen.... [Tweet Link] Edited by PalazioVecchio (21 Apr 2022 10.16am) Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

PalazioVecchio

south pole 21 Apr 22 10.15am

the emergence of Religious ethno-politics in France (or anywhere else) is not new. Belgium & France know all about it.

We have seen in Northern Ireland that it can be a dangerous thing.

below is the kind of thing that fuels the rise of Le Pen....

[Tweet Link]

Edited by PalazioVecchio (21 Apr 2022 10.16am)

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

Hrolf The Ganger 21 Apr 22 10.47am
As if this couldn't be predicted by people of intelligence. They either didn't care or they did it on purpose. It is sad to think that we might have to start voting for far right wing parties to combat the steady destruction of our culture and safety. The ultimate outcome of all this will be civil war.

Hrolf The Ganger

21 Apr 22 10.47am

As if this couldn't be predicted by people of intelligence.

They either didn't care or they did it on purpose.

It is sad to think that we might have to start voting for far right wing parties to combat the steady destruction of our culture and safety.
The ultimate outcome of all this will be civil war.

W12 21 Apr 22 1.58pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger As if this couldn't be predicted by people of intelligence. They either didn't care or they did it on purpose. It is sad to think that we might have to start voting for far right wing parties to combat the steady destruction of our culture and safety. The ultimate outcome of all this will be civil war. What "far right wings parties" even exist to vote for?

W12 21 Apr 22 1.58pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

As if this couldn't be predicted by people of intelligence.

They either didn't care or they did it on purpose.

It is sad to think that we might have to start voting for far right wing parties to combat the steady destruction of our culture and safety.
The ultimate outcome of all this will be civil war.

What "far right wings parties" even exist to vote for?

Hrolf The Ganger 21 Apr 22 3.38pm
Originally posted by W12 What "far right wings parties" even exist to vote for? Not a lot in Britain, but you saw with Brexit how quickly a few individuals can gain a lot of influence and support when they strike a chord with the public. We even had lifelong Labour supporters voting Tory when they felt that it achieved a certain objective.

Hrolf The Ganger

21 Apr 22 3.38pm

Originally posted by W12

What "far right wings parties" even exist to vote for?

Not a lot in Britain, but you saw with Brexit how quickly a few individuals can gain a lot of influence and support when they strike a chord with the public.
We even had lifelong Labour supporters voting Tory when they felt that it achieved a certain objective.

W12 21 Apr 22 4.02pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Not a lot in Britain, but you saw with Brexit how quickly a few individuals can gain a lot of influence and support when they strike a chord with the public. We even had lifelong Labour supporters voting Tory when they felt that it achieved a certain objective. By not a lot you really mean none. There were none during Brexit either. Why do you say "It is sad to think that we might have to start voting for far right wing parties to combat the steady destruction of our culture and safety" What is it about stopping mass immigration that makes someone "far right" and if you don't think that's a far right position what other far right policies would concern you? Genuinely interested because you seem to be threatening yourself with a good time.

W12 21 Apr 22 4.02pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

By not a lot you really mean none. There were none during Brexit either.

Why do you say "It is sad to think that we might have to start voting for far right wing parties to combat the steady destruction of our culture and safety"

What is it about stopping mass immigration that makes someone "far right" and if you don't think that's a far right position what other far right policies would concern you?

Genuinely interested because you seem to be threatening yourself with a good time.

Hrolf The Ganger 21 Apr 22 7.37pm
Originally posted by W12 By not a lot you really mean none. There were none during Brexit either. Why do you say "It is sad to think that we might have to start voting for far right wing parties to combat the steady destruction of our culture and safety" What is it about stopping mass immigration that makes someone "far right" and if you don't think that's a far right position what other far right policies would concern you? Genuinely interested because you seem to be threatening yourself with a good time. Fair question. I don't think that curtailing immigration is a 'far right' policy. Neither is protecting the culture, heritage and security of this country. The problem is with labels. Anything right of the Tories is deemed to be far right. Unfortunately, Any politics which involves focusing on those types of issues encourages a percentage of rather unsavoury people who damage the image of those who only want a sensible way forward and an end to the current madness. Anyone who considers themselves a Neo Nazi or the like would never represent me or get my genuine support. Unfortunately, if we are forced to vote for a nationalist party, it often comes with those kinds of characters. If someone starts a party that can win significant votes on those issues and keeps out the little fascists, then I will vote for it.

Hrolf The Ganger

21 Apr 22 7.37pm

Originally posted by W12

By not a lot you really mean none. There were none during Brexit either.

Why do you say "It is sad to think that we might have to start voting for far right wing parties to combat the steady destruction of our culture and safety"

What is it about stopping mass immigration that makes someone "far right" and if you don't think that's a far right position what other far right policies would concern you?

Genuinely interested because you seem to be threatening yourself with a good time.

Fair question.

I don't think that curtailing immigration is a 'far right' policy. Neither is protecting the culture, heritage and security of this country.
The problem is with labels. Anything right of the Tories is deemed to be far right.
Unfortunately, Any politics which involves focusing on those types of issues encourages a percentage of rather unsavoury people who damage the image of those who only want a sensible way forward and an end to the current madness.
Anyone who considers themselves a Neo Nazi or the like would never represent me or get my genuine support.
Unfortunately, if we are forced to vote for a nationalist party, it often comes with those kinds of characters.

If someone starts a party that can win significant votes on those issues and keeps out the little fascists, then I will vote for it.

Stirlingsays 21 Apr 22 8.56pm
Deleted. Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Apr 2022 2.31am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

21 Apr 22 8.56pm

Deleted.

Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Apr 2022 2.31am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 21 Apr 22 10.50pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Fair question. I don't think that curtailing immigration is a 'far right' policy. Neither is protecting the culture, heritage and security of this country. The problem is with labels. Anything right of the Tories is deemed to be far right. Unfortunately, Any politics which involves focusing on those types of issues encourages a percentage of rather unsavoury people who damage the image of those who only want a sensible way forward and an end to the current madness. Anyone who considers themselves a Neo Nazi or the like would never represent me or get my genuine support. Unfortunately, if we are forced to vote for a nationalist party, it often comes with those kinds of characters. If someone starts a party that can win significant votes on those issues and keeps out the little fascists, then I will vote for it. I hope someone does start one. Then people like you can vote for it, the Tory Party can be free of them and return to the type of centre-right politics that I support. As I see no prospect at all of any party of the type you advocate for being anything other than a sideshow, then this is all to the good. UKIP mark 2 would be fine. Maybe Farage could lead it. Just remember, despite all the noise, they never succeeded in gaining a seat through the ballot box. Other, ironically, in the European Parliament. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 21 Apr 22 10.50pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Fair question.

If someone starts a party that can win significant votes on those issues and keeps out the little fascists, then I will vote for it.

I hope someone does start one. Then people like you can vote for it, the Tory Party can be free of them and return to the type of centre-right politics that I support. As I see no prospect at all of any party of the type you advocate for being anything other than a sideshow, then this is all to the good.

UKIP mark 2 would be fine. Maybe Farage could lead it. Just remember, despite all the noise, they never succeeded in gaining a seat through the ballot box. Other, ironically, in the European Parliament.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Teddy Eagle 21 Apr 22 11.01pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I hope someone does start one. Then people like you can vote for it, the Tory Party can be free of them and return to the type of centre-right politics that I support. As I see no prospect at all of any party of the type you advocate for being anything other than a sideshow, then this is all to the good. UKIP mark 2 would be fine. Maybe Farage could lead it. Just remember, despite all the noise, they never succeeded in gaining a seat through the ballot box. Other, ironically, in the European Parliament. Isn’t he already involved with Reform UK?

Teddy Eagle

21 Apr 22 11.01pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Isn’t he already involved with Reform UK?

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 21 Apr 22 11.27pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle Isn’t he already involved with Reform UK? Multitasking is no problem for our Nige, is it? He can easily manage running Reform, the new party, being on GB News 12 hours per day, making TV adverts selling dodgy investments and being Trump's best mate, whilst quaffing a pint like the common man he obviously is(n't). For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 21 Apr 22 11.27pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Isn’t he already involved with Reform UK?

Multitasking is no problem for our Nige, is it?

He can easily manage running Reform, the new party, being on GB News 12 hours per day, making TV adverts selling dodgy investments and being Trump's best mate, whilst quaffing a pint like the common man he obviously is(n't).

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Teddy Eagle 21 Apr 22 11.35pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Multitasking is no problem for our Nige, is it? He can easily manage running Reform, the new party, being on GB News 12 hours per day, making TV adverts selling dodgy investments and being Trump's best mate, whilst quaffing a pint like the common man he obviously is(n't). Isn’t Reform UK UKIP Mark 2?

Teddy Eagle

21 Apr 22 11.35pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Multitasking is no problem for our Nige, is it?

Isn’t Reform UK UKIP Mark 2?

W12 22 Apr 22 9.29am
This maybe of interest to people looking for real alternatives: This party is totally politically agnostic. [Link]

W12 22 Apr 22 9.29am

This maybe of interest to people looking for real alternatives:

This party is totally politically agnostic.

[Link]

georgenorman 22 Apr 22 9.54am
Originally posted by W12 This maybe of interest to people looking for real alternatives: This party is totally politically agnostic. [Link] A party with no statement of policies whatsoever!

georgenorman

22 Apr 22 9.54am

Originally posted by W12

This maybe of interest to people looking for real alternatives:

This party is totally politically agnostic.

[Link]

A party with no statement of policies whatsoever!

Hrolf The Ganger 22 Apr 22 9.57am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I hope someone does start one. Then people like you can vote for it, the Tory Party can be free of them and return to the type of centre-right politics that I support. As I see no prospect at all of any party of the type you advocate for being anything other than a sideshow, then this is all to the good. UKIP mark 2 would be fine. Maybe Farage could lead it. Just remember, despite all the noise, they never succeeded in gaining a seat through the ballot box. Other, ironically, in the European Parliament. Nothing you say leads me to the conclusion that you are centre right. 'People like' me want to save this country from people like you.

Hrolf The Ganger

22 Apr 22 9.57am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Nothing you say leads me to the conclusion that you are centre right.

'People like' me want to save this country from people like you.

W12 22 Apr 22 10.07am
[Tweet Link]

W12 22 Apr 22 10.07am

[Tweet Link]

ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 22 Apr 22 11.00am
Originally posted by W12 [Tweet Link] Biden was simply not Trump plus postal votes. Useless, but not Trump. Macron is simply not Le Pen - that is the similar situation. Useless, a prat, but not Le Pen. Red and Blue Army!

ASCPFC

Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 22 Apr 22 11.00am

Originally posted by W12

[Tweet Link]

Biden was simply not Trump plus postal votes. Useless, but not Trump.
Macron is simply not Le Pen - that is the similar situation. Useless, a prat, but not Le Pen.

Red and Blue Army!

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