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palace_in_frogland In a broken dream 20 Jun 24 12.57pm
Originally posted by PalazioVecchio absent so far , on this thread, are all the foreign eejits who claim to be english, irish, or whatever........and they patently are not. we have all met many of these, often living tens of thousands of miles away. Deluded looneys. you get them in the USA, India, Japan and loads of places. Or, as they are known colloquially, “Man Utd fans”

palace_in_frogland

In a broken dream 20 Jun 24 12.57pm

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

absent so far , on this thread, are all the foreign eejits who claim to be english, irish, or whatever........and they patently are not.

we have all met many of these, often living tens of thousands of miles away. Deluded looneys.

you get them in the USA, India, Japan and loads of places.

Or, as they are known colloquially, “Man Utd fans”

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 20 Jun 24 3.37pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger You claim to hate religion, and yet you live in this delusion of quasi religious ideology. You argue around in circles because you want to stop others being 'wrong'. Your endless self important drone will not change the reality of what is happening to this country. Your posts often puzzle with logic that doesn’t make any sense. This one seems to have no connection at all to the subject. We aren’t discussing “what is happening to the country”! We are discussing “who is English”. It’s not difficult to understand. Trying to determine anyone’s ethnicity on genetics doesn’t work. It’s neither accurate nor practical. How on earth do you propose to do it? Insist everyone takes a DNA test? Then exclude those who don’t meet a level that you have determined meets a particular criteria? I shudder to think how many would be shocked to learn that they are no longer English. Or do you think it should be done on appearance alone? So those whose skin tones or nose sizes aren’t right get excluded. This seems to be what is actually driving these ideas. Once again there would be some really odd outcomes. It’s nonsensical. Ethnicity is a cultural matter. If you treasure English values and our heritage, behave to our standards and consider yourself to be English then why should anybody else try to interfere. Why should your opinion matter more than how somebody feels about themselves? Especially when we need people who care about our culture and values. By your standards we would include some complete tossers who couldn’t care less about these important issues whilst excluding many who do. It’s not accurate but more importantly it’s not wise either. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 20 Jun 24 3.37pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

You claim to hate religion, and yet you live in this delusion of quasi religious ideology.

You argue around in circles because you want to stop others being 'wrong'.
Your endless self important drone will not change the reality of what is happening to this country.

Your posts often puzzle with logic that doesn’t make any sense.

This one seems to have no connection at all to the subject. We aren’t discussing “what is happening to the country”! We are discussing “who is English”.

It’s not difficult to understand. Trying to determine anyone’s ethnicity on genetics doesn’t work. It’s neither accurate nor practical. How on earth do you propose to do it? Insist everyone takes a DNA test? Then exclude those who don’t meet a level that you have determined meets a particular criteria? I shudder to think how many would be shocked to learn that they are no longer English.

Or do you think it should be done on appearance alone? So those whose skin tones or nose sizes aren’t right get excluded. This seems to be what is actually driving these ideas. Once again there would be some really odd outcomes.

It’s nonsensical. Ethnicity is a cultural matter. If you treasure English values and our heritage, behave to our standards and consider yourself to be English then why should anybody else try to interfere. Why should your opinion matter more than how somebody feels about themselves? Especially when we need people who care about our culture and values. By your standards we would include some complete tossers who couldn’t care less about these important issues whilst excluding many who do.

It’s not accurate but more importantly it’s not wise either.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Stirlingsays 20 Jun 24 3.45pm
This guy thinks that by continually repeating the same b0llocks that people will believe it. The actual truth is that genes are a significant input into any outcome, ethnicity included. Anyone saying otherwise is selling you something and waffling ideology not reality. In his case it's because he's seemingly frightened by nationalism and wants to mix everything up. Still living out the Hitler Jewish genocide meme of eighty years ago. That approach actually ends up creating what he says he's afraid of but....perhaps instinctively or subconsciously he wants that as well....don't know. Demonic. Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Jun 2024 3.47pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

20 Jun 24 3.45pm

This guy thinks that by continually repeating the same b0llocks that people will believe it.

The actual truth is that genes are a significant input into any outcome, ethnicity included.

Anyone saying otherwise is selling you something and waffling ideology not reality. In his case it's because he's seemingly frightened by nationalism and wants to mix everything up. Still living out the Hitler Jewish genocide meme of eighty years ago.

That approach actually ends up creating what he says he's afraid of but....perhaps instinctively or subconsciously he wants that as well....don't know.

Demonic.

Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Jun 2024 3.47pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays 20 Jun 24 6.48pm
'Race, which has for its flower the family and the individual, is wiser than Government, and it is the source of all initiative'. – W. B. Yeats 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

20 Jun 24 6.48pm

'Race, which has for its flower the family and the individual, is wiser than Government, and it is the source of all initiative'.
– W. B. Yeats

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Hrolf The Ganger 21 Jun 24 9.59am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Your posts often puzzle with logic that doesn’t make any sense. This one seems to have no connection at all to the subject. We aren’t discussing “what is happening to the country”! We are discussing “who is English”. It’s not difficult to understand. Trying to determine anyone’s ethnicity on genetics doesn’t work. It’s neither accurate nor practical. How on earth do you propose to do it? Insist everyone takes a DNA test? Then exclude those who don’t meet a level that you have determined meets a particular criteria? I shudder to think how many would be shocked to learn that they are no longer English. Or do you think it should be done on appearance alone? So those whose skin tones or nose sizes aren’t right get excluded. This seems to be what is actually driving these ideas. Once again there would be some really odd outcomes. It’s nonsensical. Ethnicity is a cultural matter. If you treasure English values and our heritage, behave to our standards and consider yourself to be English then why should anybody else try to interfere. Why should your opinion matter more than how somebody feels about themselves? Especially when we need people who care about our culture and values. By your standards we would include some complete tossers who couldn’t care less about these important issues whilst excluding many who do. It’s not accurate but more importantly it’s not wise either. Your sole intention is to obfuscate and dilute what any person with eyes knows is happening to the makeup of this country. Arguing definitions, denying science and endless fudging. You are just an irritating buzz in the background, not to be taken seriously. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (21 Jun 2024 10.00am)

Hrolf The Ganger

21 Jun 24 9.59am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Your posts often puzzle with logic that doesn’t make any sense.

This one seems to have no connection at all to the subject. We aren’t discussing “what is happening to the country”! We are discussing “who is English”.

It’s not accurate but more importantly it’s not wise either.

Your sole intention is to obfuscate and dilute what any person with eyes knows is happening to the makeup of this country.

Arguing definitions, denying science and endless fudging.

You are just an irritating buzz in the background, not to be taken seriously.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (21 Jun 2024 10.00am)

ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 21 Jun 24 11.42am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays 'Race, which has for its flower the family and the individual, is wiser than Government, and it is the source of all initiative'. – W. B. Yeats I presume that's when they were strengthening Irish Nationalism, which realistically needs little strengthening. Although there are less Irish flags recently, more Palestinian ones. Red and Blue Army!

ASCPFC

Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 21 Jun 24 11.42am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

'Race, which has for its flower the family and the individual, is wiser than Government, and it is the source of all initiative'.
– W. B. Yeats

I presume that's when they were strengthening Irish Nationalism, which realistically needs little strengthening. Although there are less Irish flags recently, more Palestinian ones.

Red and Blue Army!

HKOwen Hong Kong 21 Jun 24 11.49am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Your sole intention is to obfuscate and dilute what any person with eyes knows is happening to the makeup of this country. Arguing definitions, denying science and endless fudging. You are just an irritating buzz in the background, not to be taken seriously. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (21 Jun 2024 10.00am) Best way to extinguish a fire is deny it oxygen Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

HKOwen

Hong Kong 21 Jun 24 11.49am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Your sole intention is to obfuscate and dilute what any person with eyes knows is happening to the makeup of this country.

Arguing definitions, denying science and endless fudging.

You are just an irritating buzz in the background, not to be taken seriously.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (21 Jun 2024 10.00am)

Best way to extinguish a fire is deny it oxygen

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

Stirlingsays 21 Jun 24 12.07pm
Originally posted by ASCPFC I presume that's when they were strengthening Irish Nationalism, which realistically needs little strengthening. Although there are less Irish flags recently, more Palestinian ones. God knows what he'd say today. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

21 Jun 24 12.07pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

I presume that's when they were strengthening Irish Nationalism, which realistically needs little strengthening. Although there are less Irish flags recently, more Palestinian ones.

God knows what he'd say today.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

PalazioVecchio south pole 21 Jun 24 12.52pm
in terms of DNA, different National identities must surely have a different gauge for Multicultural influences. At the extremes.....ANYBODY can claim to be an American. Regardless of ancestry. Got the accent, got the paperwork ? bang, you are a yank. And at the other extreme are loads of countries that are relatively a Mono-culture. Mongolia, Finland, Japan etc. Its extremely difficult to just walk into those places and take the p1.ss by claiming to be from there. England and Englishness is certainly closer to the American model than the Mongolian mono culture. Sterling is arguing strongly for dna, but i can only half agree with him. Or maybe only a quarter. Che Guevara was not Irish, no matter what a dna test is telling us. Nor the tons of Murphys, Gallaghers, and O'Briens in New York or wearing a Chelsea shirt. Not really fully irish. Accent & upbringing matters a lot. To exaggerate the argument of Sterling, Clint Eastwood is more English than Declan Rice, Jack Grealish, Conor Gallagher, Kalvin Phillips Harry Maguire, and Harry Kane.... who are all mostly irish genes. what makes you English.....accent, languages known, paperwork, allegiance & upbringing spent in England, family ties, place of birth, local schooling & friends. Clint Eastwood is not English - even with the dna. Conor Gallagher is not really irish. James Gandalfini was not really Italian....even though he could speak excellent Italian. Edited by PalazioVecchio (21 Jun 2024 1.16pm) Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

PalazioVecchio

south pole 21 Jun 24 12.52pm

in terms of DNA,

different National identities must surely have a different gauge for Multicultural influences.

At the extremes.....ANYBODY can claim to be an American. Regardless of ancestry. Got the accent, got the paperwork ? bang, you are a yank.

And at the other extreme are loads of countries that are relatively a Mono-culture.

Mongolia, Finland, Japan etc. Its extremely difficult to just walk into those places and take the p1.ss by claiming to be from there.

England and Englishness is certainly closer to the American model than the Mongolian mono culture.

Sterling is arguing strongly for dna, but i can only half agree with him. Or maybe only a quarter. Che Guevara was not Irish, no matter what a dna test is telling us.

Nor the tons of Murphys, Gallaghers, and O'Briens in New York or wearing a Chelsea shirt. Not really fully irish. Accent & upbringing matters a lot.

To exaggerate the argument of Sterling, Clint Eastwood is more English than Declan Rice, Jack Grealish, Conor Gallagher, Kalvin Phillips Harry Maguire, and Harry Kane.... who are all mostly irish genes.

what makes you English.....accent, languages known, paperwork, allegiance & upbringing spent in England, family ties, place of birth, local schooling & friends. Clint Eastwood is not English - even with the dna. Conor Gallagher is not really irish. James Gandalfini was not really Italian....even though he could speak excellent Italian.

Edited by PalazioVecchio (21 Jun 2024 1.16pm)

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 21 Jun 24 2.57pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Your sole intention is to obfuscate and dilute what any person with eyes knows is happening to the makeup of this country. Arguing definitions, denying science and endless fudging. You are just an irritating buzz in the background, not to be taken seriously. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (21 Jun 2024 10.00am) Another seriously puzzling comment! The last I looked with my eyes I had eyes to look with! I don’t have a “sole” purpose to be here. One of them is to point out nonsense, for which I am provide many opportunities with posts such as the above. You are the one trying to deny science. The science is crystal clear. Genes have no role in determining ethnicity. Not a hint of fudge involved. You are wrong. That the mix of ethnicities in our country might be expanding, at least temporarily, is true. That though doesn’t mean those ethnicities are defined by genetics. That’s what we are discussing! Not any pet conspiracy theories. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 21 Jun 24 2.57pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Your sole intention is to obfuscate and dilute what any person with eyes knows is happening to the makeup of this country.

Arguing definitions, denying science and endless fudging.

You are just an irritating buzz in the background, not to be taken seriously.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (21 Jun 2024 10.00am)

Another seriously puzzling comment!

The last I looked with my eyes I had eyes to look with!

I don’t have a “sole” purpose to be here. One of them is to point out nonsense, for which I am provide many opportunities with posts such as the above.

You are the one trying to deny science. The science is crystal clear. Genes have no role in determining ethnicity. Not a hint of fudge involved. You are wrong.

That the mix of ethnicities in our country might be expanding, at least temporarily, is true. That though doesn’t mean those ethnicities are defined by genetics. That’s what we are discussing!

Not any pet conspiracy theories.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Teddy Eagle 21 Jun 24 3.03pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Another seriously puzzling comment! The last I looked with my eyes I had eyes to look with! I don’t have a “sole” purpose to be here. One of them is to point out nonsense, for which I am provide many opportunities with posts such as the above. You are the one trying to deny science. The science is crystal clear. Genes have no role in determining ethnicity. Not a hint of fudge involved. You are wrong. That the mix of ethnicities in our country might be expanding, at least temporarily, is true. That though doesn’t mean those ethnicities are defined by genetics. That’s what we are discussing! Not any pet conspiracy theories. [Link]

Teddy Eagle

21 Jun 24 3.03pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Another seriously puzzling comment!

The last I looked with my eyes I had eyes to look with!

I don’t have a “sole” purpose to be here. One of them is to point out nonsense, for which I am provide many opportunities with posts such as the above.

You are the one trying to deny science. The science is crystal clear. Genes have no role in determining ethnicity. Not a hint of fudge involved. You are wrong.

That the mix of ethnicities in our country might be expanding, at least temporarily, is true. That though doesn’t mean those ethnicities are defined by genetics. That’s what we are discussing!

Not any pet conspiracy theories.

[Link]

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 21 Jun 24 3.17pm
Anyone who constantly posts that genes have a significant input into ethnicity is just repeating b0ll0cks in the hope that some believe it. Unfortunately it seems that some here do! Which says a whole lot more about the population here than ever it does about the verocity of the claim. [Link] [Link] [Link] For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 21 Jun 24 3.17pm

Anyone who constantly posts that genes have a significant input into ethnicity is just repeating b0ll0cks in the hope that some believe it.

Unfortunately it seems that some here do! Which says a whole lot more about the population here than ever it does about the verocity of the claim.

[Link]

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 21 Jun 24 3.45pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle [Link] Are you surprised? I am not at all. What point do you think you are making? For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 21 Jun 24 3.45pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

[Link]

Are you surprised? I am not at all.

What point do you think you are making?

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Teddy Eagle 21 Jun 24 3.50pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Are you surprised? I am not at all. What point do you think you are making? Why does everything have to be a point. It's an observation that Cornish DNA is closer to English than Celtic. That's all.

Teddy Eagle

21 Jun 24 3.50pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Are you surprised? I am not at all.

What point do you think you are making?

Why does everything have to be a point. It's an observation that Cornish DNA is closer to English than Celtic. That's all.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 21 Jun 24 4.40pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle Why does everything have to be a point. It's an observation that Cornish DNA is closer to English than Celtic. That's all. OK, so it has nothing to do with the subject then! For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 21 Jun 24 4.40pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Why does everything have to be a point. It's an observation that Cornish DNA is closer to English than Celtic. That's all.

OK, so it has nothing to do with the subject then!

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Teddy Eagle 21 Jun 24 4.45pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle OK, so it has nothing to do with the subject then! Except that Cornish people are more closely related to the rest of England than they are to those in Devon. I thought it was mildly interesting. Apparently not.

Teddy Eagle

21 Jun 24 4.45pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

OK, so it has nothing to do with the subject then!

Except that Cornish people are more closely related to the rest of England than they are to those in Devon. I thought it was mildly interesting. Apparently not.

Hrolf The Ganger 21 Jun 24 6.23pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Another seriously puzzling comment! The last I looked with my eyes I had eyes to look with! I don’t have a “sole” purpose to be here. One of them is to point out nonsense, for which I am provide many opportunities with posts such as the above. You are the one trying to deny science. The science is crystal clear. Genes have no role in determining ethnicity. Not a hint of fudge involved. You are wrong. That the mix of ethnicities in our country might be expanding, at least temporarily, is true. That though doesn’t mean those ethnicities are defined by genetics. That’s what we are discussing! Not any pet conspiracy theories. Your definition of genetic science. Ethnicity is a blanket word introduced by you to fudge the topic.

Hrolf The Ganger

21 Jun 24 6.23pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Another seriously puzzling comment!

The last I looked with my eyes I had eyes to look with!

I don’t have a “sole” purpose to be here. One of them is to point out nonsense, for which I am provide many opportunities with posts such as the above.

You are the one trying to deny science. The science is crystal clear. Genes have no role in determining ethnicity. Not a hint of fudge involved. You are wrong.

That the mix of ethnicities in our country might be expanding, at least temporarily, is true. That though doesn’t mean those ethnicities are defined by genetics. That’s what we are discussing!

Not any pet conspiracy theories.

Your definition of genetic science.

Ethnicity is a blanket word introduced by you to fudge the topic.

Hrolf The Ganger 21 Jun 24 6.24pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle Except that Cornish people are more closely related to the rest of England than they are to those in Devon. I thought it was mildly interesting. Apparently not. Wisbech thinks that Genetics is Nazi witchcraft.

Hrolf The Ganger

21 Jun 24 6.24pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Except that Cornish people are more closely related to the rest of England than they are to those in Devon. I thought it was mildly interesting. Apparently not.

Wisbech thinks that Genetics is Nazi witchcraft.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 21 Jun 24 6.42pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle Except that Cornish people are more closely related to the rest of England than they are to those in Devon. I thought it was mildly interesting. Apparently not. There are many things that are mildly interesting that also have nothing to do with this subject. We could spend all day….. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 21 Jun 24 6.42pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Except that Cornish people are more closely related to the rest of England than they are to those in Devon. I thought it was mildly interesting. Apparently not.

There are many things that are mildly interesting that also have nothing to do with this subject. We could spend all day…..

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 21 Jun 24 6.45pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Your definition of genetic science. Ethnicity is a blanket word introduced by you to fudge the topic. Don’t be silly. The ethnicity of the English is what we are discussing. Genetics is a science, not a conspiracy theory. It just doesn’t define ethnicity. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 21 Jun 24 6.45pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Your definition of genetic science.

Ethnicity is a blanket word introduced by you to fudge the topic.

Don’t be silly.

The ethnicity of the English is what we are discussing.

Genetics is a science, not a conspiracy theory. It just doesn’t define ethnicity.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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