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becky Flag over the moon 28 Sep 19 7.23am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Agreed, but who suggested you should?

All that has ever been said by, and for, these female MPs, is that their fear is real, the threats regular and frightening and that the current language and tactics of the government, and particularly by the PM, concerns them.

As I don't believe Johnson is naturally like that the conclusion is that this is a deliberate strategy, planned by his advisers, tested in focus groups and passed as being effective in capturing votes back from the Brexit party.

I prefer honesty in politics and for voters not to be treated as consumers of products in a marketing campaign.

Especially when people's lives could be put at risk.

I would refer you to your post yesterday @6.06pm, in response to one by steeleye20 suggesting that the threats could make women voters change sides......

"I hadn't contemplated the effect on women voters but it's a good and strong point. The idea that their families are also being threatened will weigh heavily in some minds. It isn't just the women who are affected of course, but they seemed genuinely frightened."

But I'm sure you will be able to explain that that wasn't what you said at all.

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 28 Sep 19 7.59am

Originally posted by becky

I would refer you to your post yesterday @6.06pm, in response to one by steeleye20 suggesting that the threats could make women voters change sides......

"I hadn't contemplated the effect on women voters but it's a good and strong point. The idea that their families are also being threatened will weigh heavily in some minds. It isn't just the women who are affected of course, but they seemed genuinely frightened."

But I'm sure you will be able to explain that that wasn't what you said at all.

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Spiderman Flag Horsham 28 Sep 19 8.28am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I didn't put them in the same category!One is a terrorist organisation. The other is a newspaper.

They are though both disgusting examples within their own categories.

Thanks for the clarification! although many in the Labour party would disagree with you about the IRA. To be pedantic you didn't say the IRA were worse than the Mail.
What is your view on the Amazon link?

 

Tom-the-eagle Flag Croydon 28 Sep 19 8.57am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I didn't put them in the same category!One is a terrorist organisation. The other is a newspaper.

They are though both disgusting examples within their own categories.

Out of interest Wisbech, who are good examples of terrorist organisations?

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 28 Sep 19 9.02am

Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle

Out of interest Wisbech, who are good examples of terrorist organisations?

Good point. Presumably ones we’ve never heard of.

 

Midlands Eagle Flag 28 Sep 19 9.06am

Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle

Out of interest Wisbech, who are good examples of terrorist organisations?

Labour Party?

 

susmik Flag PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 28 Sep 19 9.08am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I rest my case.

Really is that the best you can up with when the truth hurts?

 


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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 28 Sep 19 10.20am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Oh look it's the Scottish nationalist who voted for independence back to moan about people asking for independence.

Still, I guess it's his thread.

Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Sep 2019 6.21pm)

All I ever tried to do with the very first post was warn that it was a very crap idea. You need the right people in power to manage such a massive undertaking and not demagogues spoon feeding the ignorant and gullible and ridiculously idealistic with false promises and lies. If you truly love this country you would reject them and the destructive path they have steered Blighty on. Or...you could just let your prejudices continue to decide your thoughts for you as per.

 


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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 28 Sep 19 10.23am

Originally posted by susmik

Really is that the best you can up with when the truth hurts?

I’m just coming into Plymouth now Susmik on the train. Look out for a silver fox half - jock in a brown leather coat and say ‘hello’ if you are out and about .

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 28 Sep 19 10.28am

Originally posted by becky

I would refer you to your post yesterday @6.06pm, in response to one by steeleye20 suggesting that the threats could make women voters change sides......

"I hadn't contemplated the effect on women voters but it's a good and strong point. The idea that their families are also being threatened will weigh heavily in some minds. It isn't just the women who are affected of course, but they seemed genuinely frightened."

But I'm sure you will be able to explain that that wasn't what you said at all.

That's not suggesting that they should!

It's commenting that they could"! and as a consequence Johnson's words might have an impact I had not previously foreseen.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 28 Sep 19 10.33am

Originally posted by susmik

Really is that the best you can up with when the truth hurts?

Oh I am perfectly comfortable to allow truth to be the arbiter.

Mind you finding an untainted neutral jury pool from the population in this neck of the woods is going to prove very challenging.

Truth has a different meaning around here.

 


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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 28 Sep 19 10.49am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That's not suggesting that they should!

It's commenting that they could"! and as a consequence Johnson's words might have an impact I had not previously foreseen.

What does Becky think having your phone confiscated and being marched out of your office by a plod, or having your office and phone bombarded by filth, actually is?

A carrot dangled to women voters?

 

Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 28 Sep 19 11.06am

Originally posted by Spiderman

Thanks for the clarification! although many in the Labour party would disagree with you about the IRA. To be pedantic you didn't say the IRA were worse than the Mail.
What is your view on the Amazon link?

I have no time at all for anyone, whatever their political affiliations, who offers support to any terrorist organisation, including the IRA. I don't have any time either for the current manifestation of the Labour Party. They are as much to blame for our current mess as Farage and the ERG.

The Amazon story is a ridiculous attempt to conflate a lump of cheese with the white cliffs of Dover! As are many of these stupid "comparisons" being offered up as examples of bad behaviour by the "other side"!

Someone at Amazon has made a mistake and allowed an inappropriate item to be listed. The item itself is offensive and stupid but hardly mainstream. I am sure it's not Amazon policy to allow such things to be listed by them and someone will be feeling the heat, maybe even losing their job.

This and other "examples" all need to be kept in their context.

Johnson is the PM. What he says reaches a very wide audience and is taken literally by many people. What he says matters.

The impact of his words is on a different scale completely to a pocket book published on Amazon.

My local school have an important game of football this afternoon. So do Palace. It's the same game but not quite at the same level.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 28 Sep 19 11.16am

Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle

Out of interest Wisbech, who are good examples of terrorist organisations?

On reflection the IRA are actually a good example whilst also being a disgusting organisation.

 


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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 28 Sep 19 12.38pm

Phillip Hammond in todays Times, which of course all HOL people read as a matter of course. (satire).

Brexit is backed by speculators who have bet billions on a disorderly exit from the European Union, the ex-chancellor Philip Hammond has claimed.

The ex-chancellor, who had the Tory whip removed for voting against the government to block a no-deal exit from the European Union (EU), wrote in an article for The Times: "Boris Johnson asserts, ever more boldly, that we will leave the EU on 31 October, 'with or without a deal'.

"But as his sister has reminded us, he is backed by speculators who have bet billions on a hard Brexit – and there is only one outcome that works for them: a crash out no-deal Brexit that sends the currency tumbling and inflation soaring.

"So they, at least, will be reassured to see no evidence at all that his government has seriously pursued a deliverable deal; still less that it has been pursuing a deal that could get us out by 31 October."

Speaking earlier this week Rachel Johnson, the prime minister's sister, was asked on BBC Radio 4's World at One who could be behind the strategy to deliver Brexit in any shape or form.

Downing Street declined to comment on Mr Hammond's remarks on the eve of the party's annual conference when approached by The Independent.

Brexit is actually b****r all about leaving the EU.

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 28 Sep 19 1.41pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Phillip Hammond in todays Times, which of course all HOL people read as a matter of course. (satire).

Brexit is backed by speculators who have bet billions on a disorderly exit from the European Union, the ex-chancellor Philip Hammond has claimed.

The ex-chancellor, who had the Tory whip removed for voting against the government to block a no-deal exit from the European Union (EU), wrote in an article for The Times: "Boris Johnson asserts, ever more boldly, that we will leave the EU on 31 October, 'with or without a deal'.

"But as his sister has reminded us, he is backed by speculators who have bet billions on a hard Brexit – and there is only one outcome that works for them: a crash out no-deal Brexit that sends the currency tumbling and inflation soaring.

"So they, at least, will be reassured to see no evidence at all that his government has seriously pursued a deliverable deal; still less that it has been pursuing a deal that could get us out by 31 October."

Speaking earlier this week Rachel Johnson, the prime minister's sister, was asked on BBC Radio 4's World at One who could be behind the strategy to deliver Brexit in any shape or form.

Downing Street declined to comment on Mr Hammond's remarks on the eve of the party's annual conference when approached by The Independent.

Brexit is actually b****r all about leaving the EU.

We see through all this garbage.
Give it up.

 

DANGERCLOSE Flag London 28 Sep 19 2.04pm

 

Midlands Eagle Flag 28 Sep 19 2.10pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Speaking earlier this week Rachel Johnson, the prime minister's sister, was asked on BBC Radio 4's World at One who could be behind the strategy to deliver Brexit in any shape or form.

Is this the same Rachel Johnson who is an ardent Remainer and who stood as a prospective MEP for the No Change UK Party in the European Elections but unlike her brother turned out to be a loser

 

Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 28 Sep 19 2.30pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Is this the same Rachel Johnson who is an ardent Remainer and who stood as a prospective MEP for the No Change UK Party in the European Elections but unlike her brother turned out to be a loser

It's the Rachel Johnson who said on Radio 4 this week (I heard the interview) that she loved her brother dearly, that he behaves differently at home with the family and that he is thoroughly enjoying being PM. She also said that his reasons for adopting the strategy he is might be that his backers would make a pile of money from a no deal exit. She has subsequently also heavily criticised his choice of language.

As she is closer to him than anyone here I think it is likely she is better informed than us.

 


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Cucking Funt Flag Clapham on the Back 28 Sep 19 5.05pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Phillip Hammond in todays Times, which of course all HOL people read as a matter of course. (satire).

Brexit is backed by speculators who have bet billions on a disorderly exit from the European Union, the ex-chancellor Philip Hammond has claimed.

The ex-chancellor, who had the Tory whip removed for voting against the government to block a no-deal exit from the European Union (EU), wrote in an article for The Times: "Boris Johnson asserts, ever more boldly, that we will leave the EU on 31 October, 'with or without a deal'.

"But as his sister has reminded us, he is backed by speculators who have bet billions on a hard Brexit – and there is only one outcome that works for them: a crash out no-deal Brexit that sends the currency tumbling and inflation soaring.

"So they, at least, will be reassured to see no evidence at all that his government has seriously pursued a deliverable deal; still less that it has been pursuing a deal that could get us out by 31 October."

Speaking earlier this week Rachel Johnson, the prime minister's sister, was asked on BBC Radio 4's World at One who could be behind the strategy to deliver Brexit in any shape or form.

Downing Street declined to comment on Mr Hammond's remarks on the eve of the party's annual conference when approached by The Independent.

Brexit is actually b****r all about leaving the EU.

Jeez. Are you still howling at the moon?

 


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