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Stirlingsays Flag 24 Apr 19 10.07am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Oh I read it but did not regard those words as serious policy suggestions.

Froth is indeed what that was. Impracticable and irrelevant pieces of nonsense that would just make things worse. We need societal change that requires a deep structural approach and not just silly tokenism. So what I said is completely true. You have no answers and no policies. Just complaints.

You carry on with your delusions old boy. In the meantime real life will play out.

You carry on fighting 'racism' with 'love and healing'......from Cornwall.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 24 Apr 19 11.13am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

You carry on with your delusions old boy. In the meantime real life will play out.

You carry on fighting 'racism' with 'love and healing'......from Cornwall.

Love and healing are not policies. They are what guide the formation of policy. Sometimes hard love is necessary to produce good for all.

Your approach, along with all those who simply complain, is conflict and aggression which makes things worse and increases division.


My home is in Cornwall but I live in the UK and travel the world. Both my eyes and my heart are open. You seem to live in a bubble of hatred and despair in which anyone not like you is either a "snowflake", a terrorist or a potential terrorist, because they have a religious belief that you don't like.

Delusional? Yes you are!

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 24 Apr 19 11.52am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Love and healing are not policies. They are what guide the formation of policy. Sometimes hard love is necessary to produce good for all.

Your approach, along with all those who simply complain, is conflict and aggression which makes things worse and increases division.

My home is in Cornwall but I live in the UK and travel the world. Both my eyes and my heart are open. You seem to live in a bubble of hatred and despair in which anyone not like you is either a "snowflake", a terrorist or a potential terrorist, because they have a religious belief that you don't like.

Delusional? Yes you are!

 


'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Teddy Eagle Flag 24 Apr 19 12.04pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I didn't say he should be banned, only that inviting him in the first place is a mistake. Inviting an allie to celebrate D day is fine but we all know that Trump will try to turn the attention onto himself and then he will face huge demonstrations that will themselves distract from the serious nature of the events. With him likely to be embroiled in increasing controversy and only in office for another 18 months at most I think a diplomatic reason should have been found to delay a state visit. A visit just to celebrate D day but without all the state pomp might have been OK.

As for the others well every one needs to be assessed on it's merits and whilst all of them were objectionable I guess the reasoning was that we might be able to use the occasion to modify and influence things for the better. No chance of that with Trump. He is more likely to try to give us the benefit of his enormous ego on Brexit than absorb any of our wisdom.

The chances of influencing muderous dictators during the course of one visit aren’t good.
In this instance we are recognising the office of President rather than the incumbent and the bottom line, to me anyway, is what has he actually done which is so reprehensible?

 

Maine Eagle Flag USA 24 Apr 19 2.00pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

The chances of influencing muderous dictators during the course of one visit aren’t good.
In this instance we are recognising the office of President rather than the incumbent and the bottom line, to me anyway, is what has he actually done which is so reprehensible?

Just ask this guy, for one. He has some pretty good examples.

[Link]

Another one bites the dust.

Trump is like brexit, he doesn’t create new supporters as time goes on, he simply loses them. His approval rating tells the story.

Edited by Maine Eagle (24 Apr 2019 2.00pm)

 


Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

Teddy Eagle Flag 24 Apr 19 2.45pm

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

Just ask this guy, for one. He has some pretty good examples.

[Link]

Another one bites the dust.

Trump is like brexit, he doesn’t create new supporters as time goes on, he simply loses them. His approval rating tells the story.

Edited by Maine Eagle (24 Apr 2019 2.00pm)

So another person who doesn’t like Trump’s personality. This is not exactly wrecking the USA. You can’t just say “He’s a bully. Case closed”. What has he actively done that adversely affects people? Has he destroyed the economy or gone into an unwinnable war?
His approval ratings before the election told a story as well. In fact many experts were convinced there was no way he could win.


 

Pussay Patrol Flag 24 Apr 19 3.13pm

For me it's not just his persona but the general dumbing down of politics these days and populism of which he is symbolic. I think he is clever in that it is easy to get the mob vote by saying the things they want to hear, he knows they will never scrutinise his policies closely or judge his character. Feed into their patriotism, make out you're on their side, paint an enemy, then say we'll build a wall, make our country great again. That would obviously appeal to the mob but what surprises me is why seemingly intelligent people are seduced by this and not see through such patronising claptrap. You know people are hoodwinked when Donald Trump is seen as the anti-establishment figure

The problem is it is dangerous because what you end up with is disingenuous politicians which has crept in over here, for instance Mrs May stating things in Parliament she doesn't believe in

Edited by Pussay Patrol (24 Apr 2019 3.16pm)

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 24 Apr 19 3.29pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

For me it's not just his persona but the general dumbing down of politics these days and populism of which he is symbolic. I think he is clever in that it is easy to get the mob vote by saying the things they want to hear, he knows they will never scrutinise his policies closely or judge his character. Feed into their patriotism, make out you're on their side, paint an enemy, then say we'll build a wall, make our country great again. That would obviously appeal to the mob but what surprises me is why seemingly intelligent people are seduced by this and not see through such patronising claptrap. You know people are hoodwinked when Donald Trump is seen as the anti-establishment figure

The problem is it is dangerous because what you end up with is disingenuous politicians which has crept in over here, for instance Mrs May stating things in Parliament she doesn't believe in

Edited by Pussay Patrol (24 Apr 2019 3.16pm)

Yes, I would agree with most of what you say but expecting politicians to say what they believe is unrealistic. We’ve been through this; Corbyn has been anti- Europe all his life but is now magically convinced of it's benefits?
Disingenuity is the byword of politicians. Except in dictatorships of course where it’s just self preservation.

 

Stirlingsays Flag 24 Apr 19 4.07pm

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

Just ask this guy, for one. He has some pretty good examples.

[Link]

Another one bites the dust.

Trump is like brexit, he doesn’t create new supporters as time goes on, he simply loses them. His approval rating tells the story.

Edited by Maine Eagle (24 Apr 2019 2.00pm)

Hasn't Trump's polling been around the 42-44 range for pretty much years?

 


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Maine Eagle Flag USA 24 Apr 19 5.55pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Hasn't Trump's polling been around the 42-44 range for pretty much years?

Every president since FDR has gone above 50.

Obama’s high point was 69.

Trump has never been north of mid 40s, ever.

That is historically unpopular.

No one has an average below 40, except trump.

The midterms were pretty patent in their results, it was a total rebuke of trump. It was the worst hammering with a solid economy in over 100 years.

But yeh, what has trump ever done wrong? Everyone loves him, right lads?

 


Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

Maine Eagle Flag USA 24 Apr 19 5.59pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

So another person who doesn’t like Trump’s personality. This is not exactly wrecking the USA. You can’t just say “He’s a bully. Case closed”. What has he actively done that adversely affects people? Has he destroyed the economy or gone into an unwinnable war?
His approval ratings before the election told a story as well. In fact many experts were convinced there was no way he could win.


If you go back a few weeks you will see a post where I listed every way in which is hurting the USA, and how he has actually impacted me personally.

My tax dollars paid for the mueller report, not yours, and let me tell you it was money well spent.

If you want to understand just some of what he has “actively done” I suggest you read it. He is only not charged with multiple counts of obstruction of justice due to DOJ guidelines. Mueller is basically begging for congress to nail him to the wall.

When Don McGahn testifies you may learn more about trump and how active he was with asking for illegal acts and people to lie about it to save his own skin.

 


Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

Stirlingsays Flag 24 Apr 19 6.10pm

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

Every president since FDR has gone above 50.

Obama’s high point was 69.

Trump has never been north of mid 40s, ever.

That is historically unpopular.

No one has an average below 40, except trump.

The midterms were pretty patent in their results, it was a total rebuke of trump. It was the worst hammering with a solid economy in over 100 years.

But yeh, what has trump ever done wrong? Everyone loves him, right lads?

These are strawman arguments. I simply stated reality.

You can't be objective Maine. Your distaste for Trump colours your perspective. There have been far more unpopular Presidents than Trump.

The overly emotional reaction to Trump by so many democratic activists and politicians just isn't going to help them with the 'undecided' sections of the voting base. It just comes across as unhinged.

The truth is that his national support has been remarkably steady.

Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Apr 2019 6.12pm)

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 24 Apr 19 6.23pm

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

Trump has never been north of mid 40s, ever.

No one has an average below 40, except trump.

These are very one eyed comments and they aren't accurate as stated.

This site here provides a far better reflection of Trump's historical popularity.

[Link]

 


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Maine Eagle Flag USA 24 Apr 19 6.26pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

These are strawman arguments. I simply stated reality.

You can't be objective Maine. Your distaste for Trump colours your perspective. There have been far more unpopular Presidents than Trump.

The overly emotional reaction to Trump by so many democratic activists and politicians just isn't going to help them with the 'undecided' sections of the voting base. It just comes across as unhinged.

The truth is that his national support has been remarkably steady.

Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Apr 2019 6.12pm)

Steadily under 50, yes, which is s***e.

Strawman? You asked about Trump's approval rating being steady in the low 40s, I replied. Not sure how that is a set of strawman arguments, Stirlingsays.

It is very hard to be objective with a human being like Trump, let alone a president. He goes out each and every day and lies, they number in the thousands now.

He is offensive, crude, mean spirited and is a cowardly bully.

He is setting back American politics and doing terrible damage to the already partisan political system here with pitching everything as a battle between right (good) and left (socialist evil). It is creating more Cesar Sayocs:

[Link]

He takes the side of foreign despots over this own intelligence community, he backed up Putin and MBS rather than take them to task as the leader of the free world must.

His foreign policy decisions are ill thought out nonsense. Remember "ISIS is defeated, we won" a few months back? Dangerous and totally moronic stuff.

When all you do is moronic bulls*** all day every day, dont expect good reviews.

The overly emotional stuff you speak of allowed the biggest swing in a midterm elections under a strong economy for over 100 years, so I guess it does work after all.

 


Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

Stirlingsays Flag 24 Apr 19 6.46pm

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

The overly emotional stuff you speak of allowed the biggest swing in a midterm elections under a strong economy for over 100 years, so I guess it does work after all.

I thought we were getting a 'blue wave'....In reality you couldn't even win both houses when plenty of presidents have lost both in mid terms.

I listened to one eyed democrats talk about Trump being a disaster for the economy for ages...It's on these very pages. I said I'd wait and see....utterly convinced they were. Yet he proves them wrong and is doing considerably better than they were.

Cool, you carry on Maine.

You get out there and convince those 'undecideds'.

 


'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Maine Eagle Flag USA 24 Apr 19 7.03pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I thought we were getting a 'blue wave'....In reality you couldn't even win both houses when plenty of presidents have lost both in mid terms.

I listened to one eyed democrats talk about Trump being a disaster for the economy for ages...It's on these very pages. I said I'd wait and see....utterly convinced they were. Yet he proves them wrong and is doing considerably better than they were.

Cool, you carry on Maine.

You get out there and convince those 'undecideds'.

Will do.

Not like you to selectively reply, Stirlingsays. Standards are slipping, just like in the White House.

Undecideds will become decided, all on their lonesome.

Lets see what happens once Mueller testifies and the tax returns come out.

I think Trump is more afraid of his tax returns than high winds:

[Link]

Trump inherited a strong economy from Obama. Once the Trump administration has guided America through a global financial crisis like sub prime, then lets talk about strong economic leadership.

Trump had a very favorable map for the senate, and did just fine there.

He had his ass handed to him in the house, big time. Epic blue wave.

 


Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

Teddy Eagle Flag 24 Apr 19 7.06pm

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

If you go back a few weeks you will see a post where I listed every way in which is hurting the USA, and how he has actually impacted me personally.

My tax dollars paid for the mueller report, not yours, and let me tell you it was money well spent.

If you want to understand just some of what he has “actively done” I suggest you read it. He is only not charged with multiple counts of obstruction of justice due to DOJ guidelines. Mueller is basically begging for congress to nail him to the wall.

When Don McGahn testifies you may learn more about trump and how active he was with asking for illegal acts and people to lie about it to save his own skin.

Your tax dollars are of no concern. Our tax money goes toward the EU and you’ve had enough to say about that.
Only four elected Presidents have lost out on reelection since 1900 so the odds are in Trump’s favour.

 

.TUX. Flag 24 Apr 19 7.42pm

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

Will do.

Not like you to selectively reply, Stirlingsays. Standards are slipping, just like in the White House.

Undecideds will become decided, all on their lonesome.

Lets see what happens once Mueller testifies and the tax returns come out.

I think Trump is more afraid of his tax returns than high winds:

[Link]

Trump inherited a strong economy from Obama. Once the Trump administration has guided America through a global financial crisis like sub prime, then lets talk about strong economic leadership.

Trump had a very favorable map for the senate, and did just fine there.

He had his ass handed to him in the house, big time. Epic blue wave.

Obama 'borrowed' more currency than every single POTUS before him, in history, all of them, and left nothing but a further indebted population (unless you happen to be extremely wealthy. Surprise suprise.)
This is not good.
Once again Wall Street is mistakenly used as an economic gauge yet Main Street is where the real action is. The economy for the Average Joe along with Joe Bloggs here, is poor. Rising debt levels being a very very simple gauge.
Trump hasn't improved things in reality as US manufacturing continues to slow and the debt continues to grow.
That aside, he's no more a 'criminal' than any of them which is what baffles me with this thread.

They're all crooks. Accept it and move on.

 


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Maine Eagle Flag USA 25 Apr 19 7.12pm

Biden has joined the party.

He can win over some blue collar folks and that will scare Trump more than high winds or a power outage at his tanning salon.

Biden could be the one to end the clown show.

 


Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

Badger11 Flag Beckenham 25 Apr 19 7.17pm

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

Biden has joined the party.

He can win over some blue collar folks and that will scare Trump more than high winds or a power outage at his tanning salon.

Biden could be the one to end the clown show.

A bit of a crowded field I believe that there are now 20 candidates vying for the Democratic nomination. It's going to be hard work for someone to free themselves from the pack.

 


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