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.TUX. 29 Sep 19 5.23pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 What a final speech it will be by Johnson:- 'Johnny Foreigner'. 'Hang-em' 'Bash-em' An add-on this year - 'rape-em'. Hysterical applause from the blue-rinse brigade. I'm still praying for the final speech from 'Wisbech'. Buy Litecoin.

.TUX.

29 Sep 19 5.23pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

What a final speech it will be by Johnson:-

'Johnny Foreigner'.

'Hang-em'

'Bash-em'

An add-on this year - 'rape-em'.

Hysterical applause from the blue-rinse brigade.

I'm still praying for the final speech from 'Wisbech'.

Buy Litecoin.

susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 29 Sep 19 6.58pm
Originally posted by .TUX. I'm still praying for the final speech from 'Wisbech'. I wish !!!! Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

susmik

PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 29 Sep 19 6.58pm

Originally posted by .TUX.

I'm still praying for the final speech from 'Wisbech'.

I wish !!!!

Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

cryrst The garden of England 29 Sep 19 7.18pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Sometimes people accept the need to swallow the most bitter of pills if the alternative is even worse. A short dose of Corbyn, with his arms tied behind his back, or an out of control Johnson determined to sideline Parliament and plunge the UK into something they cannot accept? I don't think it will happen though because I think it's exactly what Johnson wants. Him baying for an election last week was part of the same strategy. He could then shift the blame squarely onto Parliament for having to extend on Oct 31 and then try to win the next election. I think they will force him to come back without a deal before they force him out of office, whilst keeping an eye on the timing of his next prorogation. You dont know the alternative is the worst do you? You like lots believe what you see,read and hear. It could be a whole lot better not being in the EU. You cannot dispute this statement as you have absolutely no way of knowing. Do you see now. You are giving legal this and that without actually having an absolute scooby what you are defending in reference to the decision. Ie leaving the EU.

cryrst

The garden of England 29 Sep 19 7.18pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Sometimes people accept the need to swallow the most bitter of pills if the alternative is even worse.

A short dose of Corbyn, with his arms tied behind his back, or an out of control Johnson determined to sideline Parliament and plunge the UK into something they cannot accept?

I don't think it will happen though because I think it's exactly what Johnson wants. Him baying for an election last week was part of the same strategy.

He could then shift the blame squarely onto Parliament for having to extend on Oct 31 and then try to win the next election.

I think they will force him to come back without a deal before they force him out of office, whilst keeping an eye on the timing of his next prorogation.

You dont know the alternative is the worst do you?
You like lots believe what you see,read and hear.
It could be a whole lot better not being in the EU.
You cannot dispute this statement as you have absolutely no way of knowing.
Do you see now.
You are giving legal this and that without actually having an absolute scooby what you are defending in reference to the decision.
Ie leaving the EU.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 29 Sep 19 8.48pm
Originally posted by the silurian Worry not wisbech, looks like you will get your wishes...Corbyn as PM and remain in the 'democratic EU' Not my wishes at all.Just my observation. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 29 Sep 19 8.48pm

Originally posted by the silurian

Worry not wisbech, looks like you will get your wishes...Corbyn as PM and remain in the 'democratic EU'

Not my wishes at all.Just my observation.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 29 Sep 19 8.52pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Not my wishes at all.Just my observation. yeah right, of course it is..

the silurian

The garden of England.(not really) 29 Sep 19 8.52pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Not my wishes at all.Just my observation.

yeah right, of course it is..

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 29 Sep 19 9.00pm
Originally posted by the silurian and what about McDonnell talking about assassinating Thatcher, another Labour MP talking about stabbing someone in the front, not the back....Lammy talking bollox as ever....emotive...no? Firstly, Johnson is, unfortunately, the PM and what he says matters a great deal more than anyone else in these matters. He needs to show statesmanship and leadership for the WHOLE country and not just a large, noisy section of it. Secondly, I didn't exclude others from the criticism. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 29 Sep 19 9.00pm

Originally posted by the silurian

and what about McDonnell talking about assassinating Thatcher, another Labour MP talking about stabbing someone in the front, not the back....Lammy talking bollox as ever....emotive...no?

Firstly, Johnson is, unfortunately, the PM and what he says matters a great deal more than anyone else in these matters. He needs to show statesmanship and leadership for the WHOLE country and not just a large, noisy section of it.

Secondly, I didn't exclude others from the criticism.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Teddy Eagle 29 Sep 19 9.04pm
Originally posted by cryrst You dont know the alternative is the worst do you? You like lots believe what you see,read and hear. It could be a whole lot better not being in the EU. You cannot dispute this statement as you have absolutely no way of knowing. Do you see now. You are giving legal this and that without actually having an absolute scooby what you are defending in reference to the decision. Ie leaving the EU. From a list of 80 countries ranked by quality of life Norway & Switzerland are no’s 4 & 5. They seem to be doing alright without being in the EU.

Teddy Eagle

29 Sep 19 9.04pm

Originally posted by cryrst

From a list of 80 countries ranked by quality of life Norway & Switzerland are no’s 4 & 5. They seem to be doing alright without being in the EU.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 29 Sep 19 9.16pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Yes, another referendum would be insane under any circumstances. Since referendum results seem to count for nothing in some people's eyes when they lose, the perfect solution would be for the electorate to vote in as many Leavers as possible, be they Tory or Brexit Party at the coming election, so any success Remainers had at halting Brexit can be erased in the near future. Insane? No, some perfectly sane people want one. Undemocratic and undesirable? Certainly. Letting whatever Parliament we elect at the next GE decide what we do is exactly the correct way. As it is right now. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 29 Sep 19 9.16pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Yes, another referendum would be insane under any circumstances.

Since referendum results seem to count for nothing in some people's eyes when they lose, the perfect solution would be for the electorate to vote in as many Leavers as possible, be they Tory or Brexit Party at the coming election, so any success Remainers had at halting Brexit can be erased in the near future.

Insane? No, some perfectly sane people want one.

Undemocratic and undesirable? Certainly.

Letting whatever Parliament we elect at the next GE decide what we do is exactly the correct way. As it is right now.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

cryrst The garden of England 29 Sep 19 9.20pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Firstly, Johnson is, unfortunately, the PM and what he says matters a great deal more than anyone else in these matters. He needs to show statesmanship and leadership for the WHOLE country and not just a large, noisy section of it. Secondly, I didn't exclude others from the criticism. The discussion subject is about ALL MPs. Not just BJ or the Tories. Why is he 'unfortunatly' the PM. Your ok wissy you are on the home straight of life and will never be affected directly in your pocket by your BF Corbyn's socialist utopia. Dont wish the worst as it may be your house broken into by some poor sod who has had everything taken by the new system should it be JC. Clearly you enjoyed your last holiday in the great country that is Venezuela; oh sorry WAS great.

cryrst

The garden of England 29 Sep 19 9.20pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Secondly, I didn't exclude others from the criticism.

The discussion subject is about ALL MPs.
Not just BJ or the Tories.
Why is he 'unfortunatly' the PM.
Your ok wissy you are on the home straight of life and will never be affected directly in your pocket by your BF Corbyn's socialist utopia.
Dont wish the worst as it may be your house broken into by some poor sod who has had everything taken by the new system should it be JC.
Clearly you enjoyed your last holiday in the great country that is Venezuela; oh sorry WAS great.

cryrst The garden of England 29 Sep 19 9.22pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Insane? No, some perfectly sane people want one. Undemocratic and undesirable? Certainly. Letting whatever Parliament we elect at the next GE decide what we do is exactly the correct way. As it is right now. As you seem to infer, how can something be undemocratic when it was never democratic.

cryrst

The garden of England 29 Sep 19 9.22pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Insane? No, some perfectly sane people want one.

Undemocratic and undesirable? Certainly.

Letting whatever Parliament we elect at the next GE decide what we do is exactly the correct way. As it is right now.

As you seem to infer, how can something be undemocratic when it was never democratic.

cpfc_chap koh samui 29 Sep 19 9.24pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Firstly, Johnson is, unfortunately, the PM and what he says matters a great deal more than anyone else in these matters. He needs to show statesmanship and leadership for the WHOLE country and not just a large, noisy section of it. Secondly, I didn't exclude others from the criticism. Exactly why he needs to ignore the remainers, the country have listened long enough to them trying to betray brexit.

cpfc_chap

koh samui 29 Sep 19 9.24pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Secondly, I didn't exclude others from the criticism.

Exactly why he needs to ignore the remainers, the country have listened long enough to them trying to betray brexit.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 29 Sep 19 9.36pm
Originally posted by .TUX. I'm still praying for the final speech from 'Wisbech'. Might I suggest that you keep a super soft padded hassock handy.You will likely be a long time down on your knees. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 29 Sep 19 9.36pm

Originally posted by .TUX.

I'm still praying for the final speech from 'Wisbech'.

Might I suggest that you keep a super soft padded hassock handy.You will likely be a long time down on your knees.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Teddy Eagle 29 Sep 19 9.37pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Insane? No, some perfectly sane people want one. Undemocratic and undesirable? Certainly. Letting whatever Parliament we elect at the next GE decide what we do is exactly the correct way. As it is right now. But if one party wants to stay in and the other wants to leave they can’t both be right. One course, whichever it may be, must be better.

Teddy Eagle

29 Sep 19 9.37pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Insane? No, some perfectly sane people want one.

Undemocratic and undesirable? Certainly.

Letting whatever Parliament we elect at the next GE decide what we do is exactly the correct way. As it is right now.

But if one party wants to stay in and the other wants to leave they can’t both be right. One course, whichever it may be, must be better.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 29 Sep 19 9.44pm
Originally posted by cryrst You dont know the alternative is the worst do you? You like lots believe what you see,read and hear. It could be a whole lot better not being in the EU. You cannot dispute this statement as you have absolutely no way of knowing. Do you see now. You are giving legal this and that without actually having an absolute scooby what you are defending in reference to the decision. Ie leaving the EU. No-one knows. They have opinions. Right now neither your nor my opinion matters very much. Parliament's opinion is what matters most at the moment in our democracy. Our's matters when we choose the Parliament. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 29 Sep 19 9.44pm

Originally posted by cryrst

You dont know the alternative is the worst do you?

You like lots believe what you see,read and hear.
It could be a whole lot better not being in the EU.
You cannot dispute this statement as you have absolutely no way of knowing.
Do you see now.
You are giving legal this and that without actually having an absolute scooby what you are defending in reference to the decision.
Ie leaving the EU.

No-one knows. They have opinions.

Right now neither your nor my opinion matters very much.

Parliament's opinion is what matters most at the moment in our democracy. Our's matters when we choose the Parliament.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 29 Sep 19 10.03pm
Originally posted by cryrst The discussion subject is about ALL MPs. Not just BJ or the Tories. Why is he 'unfortunatly' the PM. Your ok wissy you are on the home straight of life and will never be affected directly in your pocket by your BF Corbyn's socialist utopia. Dont wish the worst as it may be your house broken into by some poor sod who has had everything taken by the new system should it be JC. Clearly you enjoyed your last holiday in the great country that is Venezuela; oh sorry WAS great. The tactic of the government in seeking to shift the focus away from them onto others has clearly worked with you! Not everybody falls for that though. The plain fact is that what Johnson and his primary lieutenants say matters more than what any opposition politician says at the moment. No-one argues that everyone needs to be careful with language but Johnson most of all. If you cannot see why it's unfortunate that Johnson is PM then I am not going to be able to help you. Its because I care about the future for my children, grandchildren and now great grandchildren that I would have preferred we stay inside the EU. What concerns me now is that we protect and nourish our Parliamentary democracy and not allow it to become damaged through carelessness. I don't know how many times I have to say this but I have about as much time for Corbyn and left wing politics as I do for Johnson and right wing politics. Which is no time at all. I am a one nation Conservative. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 29 Sep 19 10.03pm

Originally posted by cryrst

The tactic of the government in seeking to shift the focus away from them onto others has clearly worked with you! Not everybody falls for that though.

The plain fact is that what Johnson and his primary lieutenants say matters more than what any opposition politician says at the moment. No-one argues that everyone needs to be careful with language but Johnson most of all.

If you cannot see why it's unfortunate that Johnson is PM then I am not going to be able to help you.

Its because I care about the future for my children, grandchildren and now great grandchildren that I would have preferred we stay inside the EU. What concerns me now is that we protect and nourish our Parliamentary democracy and not allow it to become damaged through carelessness.

I don't know how many times I have to say this but I have about as much time for Corbyn and left wing politics as I do for Johnson and right wing politics. Which is no time at all. I am a one nation Conservative.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 29 Sep 19 10.06pm
Originally posted by cpfc_chap Exactly why he needs to ignore the remainers, the country have listened long enough to them trying to betray brexit. He is ignoring the "remainers" along with all those, like me, who treasure our system of democracy. That's the biggest problem. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 29 Sep 19 10.06pm

Originally posted by cpfc_chap

Exactly why he needs to ignore the remainers, the country have listened long enough to them trying to betray brexit.

He is ignoring the "remainers" along with all those, like me, who treasure our system of democracy.

That's the biggest problem.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Teddy Eagle 29 Sep 19 10.13pm
[Link] Democracy in action.

Teddy Eagle

29 Sep 19 10.13pm

[Link]

Democracy in action.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 29 Sep 19 10.23pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle But if one party wants to stay in and the other wants to leave they can’t both be right. One course, whichever it may be, must be better. Better, or worse, will always be a matter of opinion. Finding a compromise which suits no-one 100% but most could live with is what is needed. Which is what Parliament needs to do, and is trying to do. Too many seem to think that a 52%:48% referendum result means that the view of the 48% can just be disregarded. That's as irresponsible as suggesting that the 52% ought to be disregarded or that all the 52% voted as they did for the same reasons and wanted the same kind of Brexit as Farage now wants. To try and reconcile the various positions is Parliament's job and they have decided that the government's approach is not in our best interests. As they have the final word the government ought to abide by their decisions but are trying to find ways to avoid them. This ought to be unacceptable to EVERYONE, whatever their personal opinion might be about Brexit. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 29 Sep 19 10.23pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

But if one party wants to stay in and the other wants to leave they can’t both be right. One course, whichever it may be, must be better.

Better, or worse, will always be a matter of opinion.

Finding a compromise which suits no-one 100% but most could live with is what is needed.

Which is what Parliament needs to do, and is trying to do.

Too many seem to think that a 52%:48% referendum result means that the view of the 48% can just be disregarded. That's as irresponsible as suggesting that the 52% ought to be disregarded or that all the 52% voted as they did for the same reasons and wanted the same kind of Brexit as Farage now wants.

To try and reconcile the various positions is Parliament's job and they have decided that the government's approach is not in our best interests. As they have the final word the government ought to abide by their decisions but are trying to find ways to avoid them.

This ought to be unacceptable to EVERYONE, whatever their personal opinion might be about Brexit.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Hrolf The Ganger 29 Sep 19 10.26pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle He is ignoring the "remainers" along with all those, like me, who treasure our system of democracy. That's the biggest problem. But it's OK to ignore the referendum? You are deluded. On the bright side, we only have your repetitive tosh to endure and not that lefty loon 'Nick Gussett' who is up to his old tricks with a new name on another Palace site. The first Russian in space would be proud.

Hrolf The Ganger

29 Sep 19 10.26pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

He is ignoring the "remainers" along with all those, like me, who treasure our system of democracy.

That's the biggest problem.

But it's OK to ignore the referendum?

You are deluded.

On the bright side, we only have your repetitive tosh to endure and not that lefty loon 'Nick Gussett' who is up to his old tricks with a new name on another Palace site. The first Russian in space would be proud.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 29 Sep 19 10.28pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle [Link] Democracy in action. It most certainly. Parliamentary democracy asserting it's supremacy over the executive. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 29 Sep 19 10.28pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

[Link]

Democracy in action.

It most certainly.

Parliamentary democracy asserting it's supremacy over the executive.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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