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 Teddy Eagle  29 Sep 19 10.37pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It most certainly. Parliamentary democracy asserting it's supremacy over the executive. Well at least one person in the country is OK with it so it must be democratic.
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Wisbech Eagle  Truro Cornwall 29 Sep 19 10.38pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
But it's OK to ignore the referendum? You are deluded. On the bright side, we only have your repetitive tosh to endure and not that lefty loon 'Nick Gussett' who is up to his old tricks with a new name on another Palace site. The first Russian in space would be proud. Who is ignoring the referendum? Parliament as a whole is trying to interpret and then implement the referendum. Only the LibDems have spoken of offering to cancel completely but only if at a GE they achieve an outright victory. Not very likely is it? What you really mean is what YOU think is meant by the 52% TO 48% result 3 years ago, before all the various problems were identified, is being ignored. Not everyone agrees with you. Particularly the MPs.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 29 Sep 19 10.51pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Who is ignoring the referendum? Parliament as a whole is trying to interpret and then implement the referendum. Only the LibDems have spoken of offering to cancel completely but only if at a GE they achieve an outright victory. Not very likely is it? What you really mean is what YOU think is meant by the 52% TO 48% result 3 years ago, before all the various problems were identified, is being ignored. Not everyone agrees with you. Particularly the MPs. It's because you keep saying nonsensical drivel like this that I ignore you 99% of the time.
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| Teddy Eagle 29 Sep 19 10.55pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Better, or worse, will always be a matter of opinion. Finding a compromise which suits no-one 100% but most could live with is what is needed. Which is what Parliament needs to do, and is trying to do. Too many seem to think that a 52%:48% referendum result means that the view of the 48% can just be disregarded. That's as irresponsible as suggesting that the 52% ought to be disregarded or that all the 52% voted as they did for the same reasons and wanted the same kind of Brexit as Farage now wants. To try and reconcile the various positions is Parliament's job and they have decided that the government's approach is not in our best interests. As they have the final word the government ought to abide by their decisions but are trying to find ways to avoid them. This ought to be unacceptable to EVERYONE, whatever their personal opinion might be about Brexit. Hats off. Your wind up credentials are now set in stone.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 29 Sep 19 11.05pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
It's because you keep saying nonsensical drivel like this that I ignore you 99% of the time. It's because people like you seem incapable of understanding that referendums have no legal status in the British system that I keep having to state the facts. Parliament promised to implement the result and they have been trying to do just that. They do though have other responsibilities to keep in mind, the most important of which is to always do what they think is in the county's best interests. If they think that leaving without a deal does not match that, then they must reject it. It's their duty. If it upsets people like you then that's unfortunate but unavoidable.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 29 Sep 19 11.11pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Hats off. Your wind up credentials are now set in stone. No wind up intended. It's the simple truth. If you get wound up by the truth then I suggest that you calm down and try to look at those facts objectively.
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| Teddy Eagle 29 Sep 19 11.18pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
No wind up intended. It's the simple truth. If you get wound up by the truth then I suggest that you calm down and try to look at those facts objectively. I can assure you there are mill ponds that resemble maelstroms compared to my level of calmness.
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| Teddy Eagle 29 Sep 19 11.23pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It's because people like you seem incapable of understanding that referendums have no legal status in the British system that I keep having to state the facts. Parliament promised to implement the result and they have been trying to do just that. They do though have other responsibilities to keep in mind, the most important of which is to always do what they think is in the county's best interests. If they think that leaving without a deal does not match that, then they must reject it. It's their duty. If it upsets people like you then that's unfortunate but unavoidable. And of course Labour opposed every proposal for the good of the country. No benefit for them at all. I see.
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cpfc_chap  koh samui 29 Sep 19 11.40pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
He is ignoring the "remainers" along with all those, like me, who treasure our system of democracy. That's the biggest problem. About time, he needs to think about the majority and do what he is doing with Brexit. He wanted a G E but all other parties are scared about losing there seats to a committed Brexit candidate. The country want out. Also when article 50 was invoked if a deal was not agreed we'd go WTO trade deal I thought and didn't a majority vote to invoke article 50 so the mps knew a no deal was possible!
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 29 Sep 19 11.57pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
I can assure you there are mill ponds that resemble maelstroms compared to my level of calmness. That's good then. I always try to stay calm, often in the face of some quite objectionable comments. Of all the many who take the opposite line to me you seem the most reasonable. I am quite sure that over a pint or two we could find a workable compromise. Let's hope that common sense breaks out soon among our politicians.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 30 Sep 19 12.00am |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
And of course Labour opposed every proposal for the good of the country. No benefit for them at all. I see. Labour under Corbyn are a significant part of the overall problem. We are very badly served by both major parties right now.
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| Teddy Eagle 30 Sep 19 12.19am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That's good then. I always try to stay calm, often in the face of some quite objectionable comments. Of all the many who take the opposite line to me you seem the most reasonable. I am quite sure that over a pint or two we could find a workable compromise. Let's hope that common sense breaks out soon among our politicians. I’m always up for a few pints and have no intention to insult you or anyone else.
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cryrst  The garden of England 30 Sep 19 6.35am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Better, or worse, will always be a matter of opinion. Finding a compromise which suits no-one 100% but most could live with is what is needed. Which is what Parliament needs to do, and is trying to do. Too many seem to think that a 52%:48% referendum result means that the view of the 48% can just be disregarded. That's as irresponsible as suggesting that the 52% ought to be disregarded or that all the 52% voted as they did for the same reasons and wanted the same kind of Brexit as Farage now wants. To try and reconcile the various positions is Parliament's job and they have decided that the government's approach is not in our best interests. As they have the final word the government ought to abide by their decisions but are trying to find ways to avoid them. This ought to be unacceptable to EVERYONE, whatever their personal opinion might be about Brexit. Scenario.
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| chris123 hove actually 30 Sep 19 7.26am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
We joined the EEC after a referendum. Referendums have been part of European democracy for decades. The UK has had 12 referendums....all agreed by parliament and acted upon by parliament....Many other European countries have them and act upon them. When you continually hear someone state that huge massive decisions that alter the direction of a nation mean that no specific question should be asked of the population....because 'elites'.....Well... You know what they are. Point of order - the referendum was whether to stay in.
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| Stirlingsays 30 Sep 19 7.30am |
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Originally posted by chris123
Point of order - the referendum was whether to stay in. Noted.
'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen) |
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| Badger11 Beckenham 30 Sep 19 7.43am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Better, or worse, will always be a matter of opinion. Finding a compromise which suits no-one 100% but most could live with is what is needed. Which is what Parliament needs to do, and is trying to do. Too many seem to think that a 52%:48% referendum result means that the view of the 48% can just be disregarded. That's as irresponsible as suggesting that the 52% ought to be disregarded or that all the 52% voted as they did for the same reasons and wanted the same kind of Brexit as Farage now wants. To try and reconcile the various positions is Parliament's job and they have decided that the government's approach is not in our best interests. As they have the final word the government ought to abide by their decisions but are trying to find ways to avoid them. This ought to be unacceptable to EVERYONE, whatever their personal opinion might be about Brexit. Ordinarily I would agree with you I prefer consensus politics to Yah boo politics. In this case though I don't see how there can be an consensus, you can't be a little bit pregnant. We either stay in the EU or we leave with or without a deal. As this was voted for by a majority you have to go with their wishes. Anything else is not democratic. The democratic solution is once we leave for those who wish to Remain they should campaign to re-join. This is one of those times when you can't fudge it, May tried that and failed miserably as nobody liked her deal.
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| Midlands Eagle 30 Sep 19 8.20am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
The democratic solution is once we leave for those who wish to Remain they should campaign to re-join.
Or go and live in Bulgaria
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| Badger11 Beckenham 30 Sep 19 8.45am |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
Or go and live in Bulgaria Or take out citizenship of another EU country and then expect to be treated differently.
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