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nickgusset  Shizzlehurst 10 Sep 16 12.15am |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
'Crushing by election defeat for Labour': I am sure our trotty friends on here will point out that Corbyn increased the number of votes for Labour in the Ward and this should be viewed as a good thing, or something similar.
As you could have predicted, the right of the Labour Party are laying blame for this loss firmly and squarely at the feet of Jeremy Corbyn.Local council by-elections for Labour happen on an almost weekly basis yet Creagh seems to have difficulty in re-tweeting or drawing any conclusions from them. The anti-Corbyn Daily Mirror claimed that the 45% vote from a 28% turnout was a “crushing defeat.” As risible as the Mirror’s sensationalist take are the spurious claims from the right of the Labour Party that it is all Jeremy Corbyn’s fault. Conveniently, they choose to omit some key information and context from their attacks. Safe Seat? They claim that this was a safe Labour seat and should have been a given that it was retained. They omit to say that Mosborough was a Liberal Democrat seat as recently as 2008 – when they had overall control of the council. It must also have slipped their minds that the winner of yesterday’s election, Gail Smith, had been a Councillor in Mosborough previously, up until the post-coalition collapse. Therefore, it was hardly beyond the realms of possibility that Labour could expect to have lost the seat. The failed Labour Councillor was rabidly anti-Corbyn Corbyn’s critics point to a recent rally in Sheffield and claim that it is proof that big rallies do not translate to votes or election victories, and that Corbyn’s popularity does not stretch beyond his core constituency. Again, what the anti-Corbyn brigade conveniently forget to mention is that the candidate that Sheffield Labour nominated to contest the Mosborough seat, Julie Grocutt, is herself rabidly anti-Corbyn. Her Twitter account – until she closed it down – was an endless stream of anti-Corbyn bile and propaganda. Picture the scene; Sheffield Labour nominate an anti-Corbyn candidate, who leaves Corbyn off her election materials, and when she loses it is the fault of Jeremy Corbyn, because he is so unpopular. You couldn’t make this up. Except that ‘Team Smith’ actually have done. To add the icing to this particularly grubby cake, a local journalist for the Sheffield Star, Chris Burn, has pointed out that Grocutt doesn’t actually live in Mosborough. Infact it has been claimed that Grocutt had been parachuted in to stand from 16 miles away. The winner, Gail Smith, has lived in the area for over twenty years, and served as its Councillor. Furthermore, she was the only candidate out of the five who actually lives in Mosborough. When you start putting the pieces of the jigsaw together you see a number of reasons as to why Labour lost the Mosborough constituency. The Labour right will have you believe that any electoral victories are won in-spite of Corbyn, whereas any loses are because of Corbyn – even when the candidate is vehemently opposed to Corbyn.
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| Hoof Hearted 10 Sep 16 9.01am | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Once again you go on about scruffy. Is that really the pinnacle of your political debating skills? Edited by nickgusset (09 Sep 2016 6.25pm) Edited by nickgusset (09 Sep 2016 6.25pm) Are you saying he's not scruffy then? And just to remind you I suggested his wife might have left him due to his scruffy unkempt appearance rather than just an argument about where their child went to school. My assertion did not need my A game that I reserve for political debate.... it was just a humorous dig that you should be able to shrug off rather than get all tetchy. Lighten up Gusset!
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| Hoof Hearted 10 Sep 16 9.11am | |
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Originally posted by leifandersonshair
Smith didn't seem to know who he was really appealing to. He tried to out-Corbyn Corbyn at times, but no takers- Smith's voting record speaks for itself. Thought the nuclear weapons part was interesting- one of the few areas where Smith actually in tune with the electorate (sort of) but he flubbed it a bit, because Corbyn managed to spin it as 'are you happy to give the Tories a blank cheque for this when they cut everything else'? If you meshed them together, Corbyn's ideals and policies in Smith's slick exterior, you'd have one hell of a politician. Realistically though... You'd have a scruffy welsh tw*t that whinged about every vote they lost like the Referendum and then wanted a re-run, that would never carry out a Nuclear Strike even if we were under attack from North Korea.... but the Unions/SWP would love him despite the public never even remotely wanting to vote for him.
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 Y Ddraig Goch  In The Crowd 10 Sep 16 9.20am |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
As you could have predicted, the right of the Labour Party are laying blame for this loss firmly and squarely at the feet of Jeremy Corbyn.Local council by-elections for Labour happen on an almost weekly basis yet Creagh seems to have difficulty in re-tweeting or drawing any conclusions from them. The anti-Corbyn Daily Mirror claimed that the 45% vote from a 28% turnout was a “crushing defeat.” As risible as the Mirror’s sensationalist take are the spurious claims from the right of the Labour Party that it is all Jeremy Corbyn’s fault. Conveniently, they choose to omit some key information and context from their attacks. Safe Seat? They claim that this was a safe Labour seat and should have been a given that it was retained. They omit to say that Mosborough was a Liberal Democrat seat as recently as 2008 – when they had overall control of the council. It must also have slipped their minds that the winner of yesterday’s election, Gail Smith, had been a Councillor in Mosborough previously, up until the post-coalition collapse. Therefore, it was hardly beyond the realms of possibility that Labour could expect to have lost the seat. The failed Labour Councillor was rabidly anti-Corbyn Corbyn’s critics point to a recent rally in Sheffield and claim that it is proof that big rallies do not translate to votes or election victories, and that Corbyn’s popularity does not stretch beyond his core constituency. Again, what the anti-Corbyn brigade conveniently forget to mention is that the candidate that Sheffield Labour nominated to contest the Mosborough seat, Julie Grocutt, is herself rabidly anti-Corbyn. Her Twitter account – until she closed it down – was an endless stream of anti-Corbyn bile and propaganda. Picture the scene; Sheffield Labour nominate an anti-Corbyn candidate, who leaves Corbyn off her election materials, and when she loses it is the fault of Jeremy Corbyn, because he is so unpopular. You couldn’t make this up. Except that ‘Team Smith’ actually have done. To add the icing to this particularly grubby cake, a local journalist for the Sheffield Star, Chris Burn, has pointed out that Grocutt doesn’t actually live in Mosborough. Infact it has been claimed that Grocutt had been parachuted in to stand from 16 miles away. The winner, Gail Smith, has lived in the area for over twenty years, and served as its Councillor. Furthermore, she was the only candidate out of the five who actually lives in Mosborough. When you start putting the pieces of the jigsaw together you see a number of reasons as to why Labour lost the Mosborough constituency. The Labour right will have you believe that any electoral victories are won in-spite of Corbyn, whereas any loses are because of Corbyn – even when the candidate is vehemently opposed to Corbyn. "Rabidly anti Corbyn" as always the Trotsky blogs like to use what can only be described as interesting language. Yes the candidate was anti Corbyn. This meant two things for the result Being labour there was naturally a % of people's turned off after recent shenanigans The hard left in Labour refused to support her to the extent that the day of the election Momentum were rallying troops for a JC phone around that evening. In stead of supporting the candidate They were nowhere to be seen. If the hard left cannot support anyone who is not "one of them" you are destined for oblivion
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| Hoof Hearted 10 Sep 16 9.28am | |
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Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch
"Rabidly anti Corbyn" as always the Trotsky blogs like to use what can only be described as interesting language. Yes the candidate was anti Corbyn. This meant two things for the result Being labour there was naturally a % of people's turned off after recent shenanigans The hard left in Labour refused to support her to the extent that the day of the election Momentum were rallying troops for a JC phone around that evening. In stead of supporting the candidate They were nowhere to be seen. If the hard left cannot support anyone who is not "one of them" you are destined for oblivion It's like that scene from Life of Brian.... "Are you the Judean Peoples Front?" "Fcuk off.... We're the Peoples Front of Judea" The Unions/SWP/Momentum are doing a fine job of keeping Labour unelectable with their antics. Long may it continue!
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| legaleagle 10 Sep 16 9.43am |
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long may (no pun intended) it continue? Really? continue being governed by the current mix mix of incompetents,jerks,comedians and some down right nasty people?
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| Hoof Hearted 10 Sep 16 9.55am | |
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Originally posted by legaleagle
long may (no pun intended) it continue? Really? continue being governed by the current mix mix of incompetents,jerks,comedians and some down right nasty people? You are talking about 1997 - 2010 right? Or did you mean Scotland? The current crop of elected ministers is far from ideal I grant you.... but can you imagine the shambolic government that Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott would lead/assemble? -.-' FFS
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| legaleagle 10 Sep 16 10.17am |
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FFS,indeed Hoof
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 Hrolf The Ganger 10 Sep 16 11.40am |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Do you believe in nuclear proliferation? I believe that anyone who serious believes that nuclear disarmament will ever be an option in the imaginable future is a loon and that someone who wants another referendum because he doesn't like the result of the last one has no business being involved in the democratic process of politics.
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| Stirlingsays 10 Sep 16 11.49am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I believe that anyone who serious believes that nuclear disarmament will ever be an option in the imaginable future is a loon and that someone who wants another referendum because he doesn't like the result of the last one has no business being involved in the democratic process of politics.
Publicly stating that the would never push the button completely disfigured his own party's policy. You can't have it both ways. We can't have a leader who isn't prepared to push the button if the other side have. Mutually shared destruction has been the single largest contributor to world peace. It goes back to the playground. The bully doesn't hit you if he knows you will hit him back. He looks for the easily option. The tiger looks to attack the weak first, not the strong, so to avoid possible injury. Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Sep 2016 11.51am)
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| legaleagle 10 Sep 16 11.51am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I believe that anyone who serious believes that nuclear disarmament will ever be an option in the imaginable future is a loon and that someone who wants another referendum because he doesn't like the result of the last one has no business being involved in the democratic process of politics. Fair enough re referendums.I don't agree 100% but its a reasonable point of view.As a person of principle,you will therefore believe Farage has no place in politics since he spoke pre vote of having a second referendum if Brexit lost the first one....or do such principles only apply to those you disagree with? Edited by legaleagle (10 Sep 2016 11.52am)
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| legaleagle 10 Sep 16 11.53am |
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mutually assured destruction aka MAD,not without reason... Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Publicly stating that the would never push the button completely disfigured his own party's policy. You can't have it both ways. We can't have a leader who isn't prepared to push the button if the other side have. Mutually shared destruction has been the single largest contributor to world peace. It goes back to the playground. The bully doesn't hit you if he knows you will hit him back. He looks for the easily option. The tiger looks to attack the weak first, not the strong, so to avoid possible injury. Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Sep 2016 11.51am) Edited by legaleagle (10 Sep 2016 11.54am)
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| Stirlingsays 10 Sep 16 11.56am |
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Originally posted by legaleagle
Edited by legaleagle (10 Sep 2016 11.52am) Wasn't that eventually....in the future? I mean we haven't actually left the EU yet. If the country has a significant majority pushing for EU membership then I'm sure that another referendum will happen in the future. Maybe they should start a party and see how much support it gets....seemed like a successful idea that worked.
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| matt_himself Matataland 10 Sep 16 1.34pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I believe that anyone who serious believes that nuclear disarmament will ever be an option in the imaginable future is a loon and that someone who wants another referendum because he doesn't like the result of the last one has no business being involved in the democratic process of politics. 100% agree.
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| matt_himself Matataland 10 Sep 16 2.20pm |
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Originally posted by legaleagle
May 2016: "Nigel Farage warns today he would fight for a second referendum on Britain in Europe if the remain campaign won by a narrow margin next month. The Ukip leader said a small defeat for his leave camp would be “unfinished business” and predicted pressure would grow for a re-run of the 23 June ballot". Sometimes people are so busy having digs at those they disagree with,they overlook the bunch of complete jerks they agree with (and support)... Legal - we won. Deal with it.
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| Stirlingsays 10 Sep 16 2.28pm |
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Originally posted by legaleagle
May 2016: "Nigel Farage warns today he would fight for a second referendum on Britain in Europe if the remain campaign won by a narrow margin next month. The Ukip leader said a small defeat for his leave camp would be “unfinished business” and predicted pressure would grow for a re-run of the 23 June ballot". Sometimes people are so busy having digs at those they disagree with,they overlook the bunch of complete jerks they agree with (and support)... Without Farage we still would have had no say over EU membership. I don't have to agree with everything he says but I thank him for that. No doubt people you regard as not jerks wouldn't have allowed us that say. As for the actual point your comments don't really add anything. If you want a second referendum join a party that campaigns for one. I don't really see the problem. Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Sep 2016 2.33pm)
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| matt_himself Matataland 10 Sep 16 2.36pm |
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Originally posted by legaleagle
That's no issue.We'll end up IMHO will market access and freedom of movement (though a bit more limited than now). You guys do perhaps need to deal with your double standards vis a vis politicians you agree with and those you slag off all the time because you don't,no? And you are telling me there are no double standards in the Remain camp? Let's pick someone at random - Jeremy Corbyn. Did he even vote o stay in the EU? Nicola Sturgeon - seeking referendum after referendum until she gets what she wants. Also, the left is quite content to operate with double standards. The anti semitism row in Labour, Keith Vaz, Corbyn's declaration that MP's need to be loyal to their leader when there are a number of recorded incidents when Corbyn, as an MP, plotted against the leader of the party at the time. If you are calling out on hypocrisy, it's everywhere and not isolated to one party or ideology.
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