You are here: Home > Message Board > News & Politics > General Election 2017
November 2 2026 6.37pm

This page is no longer updated, and is the old forum. For new topics visit the New HOL forum.

General Election 2017


Page 133 of 270 < 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 >
VeganPower Flag Chesham 24 May 17 9.34am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

You can't compare May to Corbyn on leadership or Brexit...Well I suppose you can but then again you just supported Vegan's conspiracy theory so there you go.

Corbyn isn't even supported by his own MPs. The EU would laugh at him. He's a nice but incapable man.

Edited by Stirlingsays (24 May 2017 9.33am)

Corbyn isn't supported by Blairite tory lite labour mp's ftfy

 


22 years eating a vegan diet. Perfectly happy and healthy on it.

Stirlingsays Flag 24 May 17 9.34am

Originally posted by VeganPower

I'm more comfortable with someone sane looking after the button

You will forgive me if I rather doubt your judgement on sanity.

 


'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

legaleagle Flag 24 May 17 9.34am

Originally posted by nickgusset

Can we talk about May's car crash interview with Andrew Neil on Monday yet.

She is crap. No wonder she doesn't want to debate with Corbyn.

God help us if weak and wobbly is in Charge of Brexit.

About as strong and stable as the average manager's tenure at Palace!

 

VeganPower Flag Chesham 24 May 17 9.35am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I get a sense that you were a virtual storm in the math's classroom.

I passed maths a level

 


22 years eating a vegan diet. Perfectly happy and healthy on it.

Stirlingsays Flag 24 May 17 9.36am

Originally posted by VeganPower

Corbyn isn't supported by Blairite tory lite labour mp's ftfy

Oh you mean that party that could actually win elections....oh sorry...I forgot you meant the talking shop where everyone talks b0llocks about policies they will never get to implement.

 


'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

VeganPower Flag Chesham 24 May 17 9.36am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

You will forgive me if I rather doubt your judgement on sanity.


To get sectioned in this country one must be considered a danger to others or a danger to oneself.

 


22 years eating a vegan diet. Perfectly happy and healthy on it.

VeganPower Flag Chesham 24 May 17 9.37am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Oh you mean that party that could actually win elections....oh sorry...I forgot you meant the talking shop where everyone talks b0llocks about policies they will never get to implement.

which policies are you so against?

 


22 years eating a vegan diet. Perfectly happy and healthy on it.

Stirlingsays Flag 24 May 17 9.37am

Originally posted by VeganPower

I passed maths a level

It must have been a conspiracy.

 


'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 24 May 17 9.38am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

You can't compare May to Corbyn on leadership or Brexit...Well I suppose you can but then again you just supported Vegan's conspiracy theory so there you go.

Corbyn isn't even supported by his own MPs. The EU would laugh at him. He's a nice but incapable man.

Edited by Stirlingsays (24 May 2017 9.33am)

Saying it's a reasonable question is not the same as saying it was a false flag. So I haven't supported a conspiracy theory as you say. In fact I don't even think Vegan has said it was a false flag, just raised the question.

 

Stirlingsays Flag 24 May 17 9.41am

Originally posted by VeganPower

which policies are you so against?

The idea that you can tax the wealthy to the tune of 45 billion and still maintain investment.

The defence review and doubts over the commitment to nuclear deterrence.

The lack of a commitment to reducing immigration.

 


'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

VeganPower Flag Chesham 24 May 17 9.41am

Originally posted by nickgusset

Saying it's a reasonable question is not the same as saying it was a false flag. So I haven't supported a conspiracy theory as you say. In fact I don't even think Vegan has said it was a false flag, just raised the question.

I just asked the question, I did actually say that I wasn't saying it was. I was just gauging the mood of the forum.

 


22 years eating a vegan diet. Perfectly happy and healthy on it.

Stirlingsays Flag 24 May 17 9.42am

Originally posted by VeganPower


To get sectioned in this country one must be considered a danger to others or a danger to oneself.

Thanks for that.

 


'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

.TUX. Flag 24 May 17 9.43am

Originally posted by Lyons550


False flag events are rarely (if ever) carried out by Government...as these are simply temporary custodians of the country...they're carried out by the Military and secret services.

Agreed.
I was trying to negate the red v blue stances here.

Do they happen...of course they do...how often is clearly open to debate...it's also suggested that they're used for matters far far bigger than a bloody election

I believe the election (to a degree) is an irrelevance tbh. It's more about the continued control through fear of the masses.

...however to consider a false flag event would be initiated on Children...and then by a British born civilian is beyond teh pale in my book.

As i said, it is unsavoury, but it should never be fully dismissed.

Surely if one were to happen it'd be by a nationalised individual from overseas and on a bigger scale.(?)

 


Buy Litecoin.

VeganPower Flag Chesham 24 May 17 9.46am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

The idea that you can tax the wealthy to the tune of 45 billion and still maintain investment.

The defence review and doubts over the commitment to nuclear deterrence.

The lack of a commitment to reducing immigration.

Yes, these are legitimate questions which would be foolish to gloss over.

The first is easily dealt with. Any proper investigation into how Scandinavian countries economic strategy operates will soon show the casual observer that a more equal distribution of wealth is actually good for business. Just not great for the 1% at the top of the pile. More cash in most peoples pockets is spent in shops and creates a virtuous circle.

Corbyn doesn't want Trident, but the Labour party as a whole does, so Trident will be renewed.

Labour are likely to be soft on immigration, that's true. Although Theresa has had years to be hard on it and not delivered

 


22 years eating a vegan diet. Perfectly happy and healthy on it.

CambridgeEagle Flag Sydenham 24 May 17 9.53am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

The idea that you can tax the wealthy to the tune of 45 billion and still maintain investment.

The defence review and doubts over the commitment to nuclear deterrence.

The lack of a commitment to reducing immigration.

All of these points aren't accurate. The Funding Britain document which costs Labour's spending plans sets out extra revenue from income tax of £6.4bn. This is also adjusted downwards for uncertainty so is a conservative estimate. They also allow for £3.9bn reduction due to changes in behaviour.

The manifesto sets out a clear commitment to renewing trident. There is no ambiguity.

The manifesto clearly states that "freedom of movement will end when we leave the EU". The proposal is for a fair immigration system without arbitrary targets. They will crack down on unscrupulous employers who have migrant worker only policies and get away with paying below minimum wages and offering substandard working conditions. It would be a system based on needs of business but not giving businesses unfettered access to cheap labour. They would also set up a Migrant Impact Fund to target areas most adversely affected by migration. An actual sensible targeted policy to ensure we have sufficient labour but strain on public services are managed and improved. The Tories just have an arbitrary target.

 

hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 24 May 17 9.56am

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

All of these points aren't accurate. The Funding Britain document which costs Labour's spending plans sets out extra revenue from income tax of £6.4bn. This is also adjusted downwards for uncertainty so is a conservative estimate. They also allow for £3.9bn reduction due to changes in behaviour.

The manifesto sets out a clear commitment to renewing trident. There is no ambiguity.

The manifesto clearly states that "freedom of movement will end when we leave the EU". The proposal is for a fair immigration system without arbitrary targets. They will crack down on unscrupulous employers who have migrant worker only policies and get away with paying below minimum wages and offering substandard working conditions. It would be a system based on needs of business but not giving businesses unfettered access to cheap labour. They would also set up a Migrant Impact Fund to target areas most adversely affected by migration. An actual sensible targeted policy to ensure we have sufficient labour but strain on public services are managed and improved. The Tories just have an arbitrary target.

Apart from the prospective Prime Minister wanting to get rid of it.

 


We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 24 May 17 9.58am

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

All of these points aren't accurate. The Funding Britain document which costs Labour's spending plans sets out extra revenue from income tax of £6.4bn. This is also adjusted downwards for uncertainty so is a conservative estimate. They also allow for £3.9bn reduction due to changes in behaviour.

The manifesto sets out a clear commitment to renewing trident. There is no ambiguity.

The manifesto clearly states that "freedom of movement will end when we leave the EU". The proposal is for a fair immigration system without arbitrary targets. They will crack down on unscrupulous employers who have migrant worker only policies and get away with paying below minimum wages and offering substandard working conditions. It would be a system based on needs of business but not giving businesses unfettered access to cheap labour. They would also set up a Migrant Impact Fund to target areas most adversely affected by migration. An actual sensible targeted policy to ensure we have sufficient labour but strain on public services are managed and improved. The Tories just have an arbitrary target.

People can argue whether Trident is worth the money or the most suitable deterrent but all the time Corbyn is in charge they may as well remove that commitment. He has said on numerous occasions he won't use it

 


the dignified don't even enter in the game

CambridgeEagle Flag Sydenham 24 May 17 9.59am

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Apart from the prospective Prime Minister wanting to get rid of it.


PM not dictator. This point has been covered. He doesn't unilaterally set policy or make decisions. Trident would be renewed without doubt under a Labour government.

 

hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 24 May 17 10.02am

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

PM not dictator. This point has been covered. He doesn't unilaterally set policy or make decisions. Trident would be renewed without doubt under a Labour government.

It is indicative of the detachment from reality of the new left that they think a leader can hold views that are diametrically opposed to his party's published policy.

 


We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

VeganPower Flag Chesham 24 May 17 10.03am

Originally posted by hedgehog50

It is indicative of the detachment from reality of the new left that they think a leader can hold views that are diametrically opposed to his party's published policy.

Because he is a democrat and not a dictator

 


22 years eating a vegan diet. Perfectly happy and healthy on it.

Page 133 of 270 < 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 >

You are here: Home > Message Board > News & Politics > General Election 2017