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  Hrolf The Ganger  13 Mar 23 6.32pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
'A final thought: however difficult the last few days have been, it simply doesn’t compare to having to flee your home from persecution or war to seek refuge in a land far away. It’s heartwarming to have seen the empathy towards their plight from so many of you'. Well that's a very thoughtful parting shot from this debate from Gary Lineker. A totally misinformed one designed to disguise the stupidity of his earlier statement. There is no desire by the government to return any genuine refugees, just ones who come from safe countries, passing through numerous other safe countries and end up making no contribution to this country other than raising the crime rate. Lineker is just another BBC leftist who talks out of his arse on most subjects. Hopefully all this will lead to a tightening of rules and an end to the licence fee. What it has already done is to expose what many of us already knew. Certainly not the Director General.
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PalazioVecchio  south pole 13 Mar 23 6.43pm |
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Defund the Linekar Broadcasting Corporation
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cryrst  The garden of England 13 Mar 23 7.15pm |
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Originally posted by inflikted
Says 1900 in the article so just a little off In 50 days! Some job that. Reality is that’s what they know about. Maybe if his employment lasted 500 days it’s near the mark.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Mar 23 11.13pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
A totally misinformed one designed to disguise the stupidity of his earlier statement. There is no desire by the government to return any genuine refugees, just ones who come from safe countries, passing through numerous other safe countries and end up making no contribution to this country other than raising the crime rate. Lineker is just another BBC leftist who talks out of his arse on most subjects. Hopefully all this will lead to a tightening of rules and an end to the licence fee. What it has already done is to expose what many of us already knew. Certainly not the Director General. Not for the first time I give thanks that your views are only held by a noisy but tiny minority. Apparently a poll today found more than 75% of those asked supported Lineker, In fact, your comment contains, with a little creative editing a pretty good summary of itself:- "What it has done is to expose what many of us already knew. It comes from someone who talks out of his arse on most subjects." Should the right of the Tory party ever manage to persuade the government to mess with the licence fee it would more likely signal the end of the Tory party than the end of the BBC. I cannot imagine a bigger vote loser. It would completely destroy
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Teddy Eagle  13 Mar 23 11.57pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Not for the first time I give thanks that your views are only held by a noisy but tiny minority. Apparently a poll today found more than 75% of those asked supported Lineker, In fact, your comment contains, with a little creative editing a pretty good summary of itself:- "What it has done is to expose what many of us already knew. It comes from someone who talks out of his arse on most subjects." Should the right of the Tory party ever manage to persuade the government to mess with the licence fee it would more likely signal the end of the Tory party than the end of the BBC. I cannot imagine a bigger vote loser. It would completely destroy Hasn't it already been decided?
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| georgenorman 14 Mar 23 7.14am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Not for the first time I give thanks that your views are only held by a noisy but tiny minority. Apparently a poll today found more than 75% of those asked supported Lineker, In fact, your comment contains, with a little creative editing a pretty good summary of itself:- "What it has done is to expose what many of us already knew. It comes from someone who talks out of his arse on most subjects." Should the right of the Tory party ever manage to persuade the government to mess with the licence fee it would more likely signal the end of the Tory party than the end of the BBC. I cannot imagine a bigger vote loser. It would completely destroy It's very simple, if you break the rules that you signed in your contract of employment, then you are in trouble. It doesn't matter at all what 75% of those asked think. It is your usual hypocrisy when you support him while cheering on the persecution of people standing silently in streets or businesses declining to engage in campaigns to support dubious causes. In any case the BBC will cease to be funded by tax-payers money within the next five years - good job too.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 14 Mar 23 9.12am |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
It's very simple, if you break the rules that you signed in your contract of employment, then you are in trouble. It doesn't matter at all what 75% of those asked think. It is your usual hypocrisy when you support him while cheering on the persecution of people standing silently in streets or businesses declining to engage in campaigns to support dubious causes. In any case the BBC will cease to be funded by tax-payers money within the next five years - good job too. It isn’t that simple! He is not an employee so has no contract of employment. He is a freelancer and although has a contract none of us knows what it says. Unless and until any contract is tested in court whether its restrictions are enforceable remains in doubt. Doubly so because of the doubt about how deep and wide the requirements go. I support anyone’s right to be heard. That doesn’t imply I agree with all they say, where or how they say it and that’s as true with Lineker as anyone else. Repeating your errors again over the lady who broke an order in a designated area and The BBC will continue to be funded by us, unless we decide to go even further backwards than we have since 2016. Along with the NHS the BBC remains one of the few things that the UK has that the rest of the world admires. We won’t be that stupid! Hopefully!
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| Teddy Eagle 14 Mar 23 9.18am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
There's been quite a lot of water under the bridge since the odious Dorries was culture secretary and allowed allowed to throw this kind of red meat to the rabid right. The pushback followed immediately as it was exactly the kind of stupidity I mean. Do things like this and the Tories are finished. The Tories are very unlikely to be in power in 2027 and should they pull off a miracle it won't be because they have adopted hard right politics again. Those days are over, hopefully for ever. I'm not so sure;the argument being that fewer and fewer young people watch or listen to the BBC, don't have any emotional attachment to it and don't see why they should pay for something they don't use.
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| georgenorman 14 Mar 23 9.26am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It isn’t that simple! He is not an employee so has no contract of employment. He is a freelancer and although has a contract none of us knows what it says. Unless and until any contract is tested in court whether its restrictions are enforceable remains in doubt. Doubly so because of the doubt about how deep and wide the requirements go. I support anyone’s right to be heard. That doesn’t imply I agree with all they say, where or how they say it and that’s as true with Lineker as anyone else. Repeating your errors again over the lady who broke an order in a designated area and The BBC will continue to be funded by us, unless we decide to go even further backwards than we have since 2016. Along with the NHS the BBC remains one of the few things that the UK has that the rest of the world admires. We won’t be that stupid! Hopefully! It is that simple. You clearly do not support everyone’s right to be heard. She did not break any order, she was standing silently in a public street that she was not banned from. “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.” [Orwell] The bakers did not break any law in refusing to refusing to get put the political slogan on the cake. There is no logical reason to have the BBC funded by tax-payers, many of whom don’t use it.
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| PalazioVecchio south pole 14 Mar 23 10.25am |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
maybe not a LOGICAL reason. But it is politically advantageous for any Ruler to have an ideological-propaganda mouthpiece. formerly it was the Church, now it is the BBC. Now remind me again why british boys should be dying in the trenches of Ukraine ? remind me what proportion of people in West NI call the city Londonderry ? the BBC will be re-jigged and reborn. Probably every country on earth has a propaganda mouthpiece. The BBC just pushed their luck too far and there has been a backlash. It often happens.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 14 Mar 23 10.50am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Not for the first time I give thanks that your views are only held by a noisy but tiny minority. Apparently a poll today found more than 75% of those asked supported Lineker, In fact, your comment contains, with a little creative editing a pretty good summary of itself:- "What it has done is to expose what many of us already knew. It comes from someone who talks out of his arse on most subjects." Should the right of the Tory party ever manage to persuade the government to mess with the licence fee it would more likely signal the end of the Tory party than the end of the BBC. I cannot imagine a bigger vote loser. It would completely destroy You make this sound so simple. Free speech is to be supported at all costs. Free speech for celebrities, particularly working for the BBC, is another matter. That has to be limited. Free speech cannot be and has never been unlimited for anyone. You have made this very argument yourself. When it comes to illegal immigration. The idea that we can just continue as things are now is insanity. The majority of people support halting illegal immigration. The Tories are going hard on this firstly because it is essential, and second because it is a vote winner. This is when democracy actually works. Meanwhile, the BBC is funded by all of us and cannot be seen to be Left bias, as it surely is. If the BBC wants to be funded by law, then it has to get its house in order.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 14 Mar 23 12.31pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
I'm not so sure;the argument being that fewer and fewer young people watch or listen to the BBC, don't have any emotional attachment to it and don't see why they should pay for something they don't use. I don't believe any government would allow that to happen. It would kill the BBC as we know it, reducing our standing in the world in the process and turn the UK broadcasting scene into an ever more tedious tide of repetition and US imports. It wouldn't be quite such a stupid self-inflicted disaster as Brexit, but not far short. The government needs to sell the benefits of the BBC with triumphant support to the cynical rather than indulge in this right wing sniping which is all we see now.
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| Teddy Eagle 14 Mar 23 12.41pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I don't believe any government would allow that to happen. It would kill the BBC as we know it, reducing our standing in the world in the process and turn the UK broadcasting scene into an ever more tedious tide of repetition and US imports. It wouldn't be quite such a stupid self-inflicted disaster as Brexit, but not far short. The government needs to sell the benefits of the BBC with triumphant support to the cynical rather than indulge in this right wing sniping which is all we see now. More repeats?
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 14 Mar 23 12.41pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
There's been quite a lot of water under the bridge since the odious Dorries was culture secretary and allowed allowed to throw this kind of red meat to the rabid right. The pushback followed immediately as it was exactly the kind of stupidity I mean. Do things like this and the Tories are finished. The Tories are very unlikely to be in power in 2027 and should they pull off a miracle it won't be because they have adopted hard right politics again. Those days are over, hopefully for ever. You know full well that isn’t true, because it returns pushing back against whatever is happening, especially if it was never voted for, ever.
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| georgenorman 14 Mar 23 12.53pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
There's been quite a lot of water under the bridge since the odious Dorries was culture secretary and allowed allowed to throw this kind of red meat to the rabid right. The pushback followed immediately as it was exactly the kind of stupidity I mean. Do things like this and the Tories are finished. The Tories are very unlikely to be in power in 2027 and should they pull off a miracle it won't be because they have adopted hard right politics again. Those days are over, hopefully for ever. It's just like the 30s in Germany! Edited by georgenorman (14 Mar 2023 1.19pm)
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 14 Mar 23 12.54pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
You make this sound so simple. Free speech is to be supported at all costs. Free speech for celebrities, particularly working for the BBC, is another matter. That has to be limited. Free speech cannot be and has never been unlimited for anyone. You have made this very argument yourself. When it comes to illegal immigration. The idea that we can just continue as things are now is insanity. The majority of people support halting illegal immigration. The Tories are going hard on this firstly because it is essential, and second because it is a vote winner. This is when democracy actually works. Meanwhile, the BBC is funded by all of us and cannot be seen to be Left bias, as it surely is. If the BBC wants to be funded by law, then it has to get its house in order. And the government didn’t say anything about ALL immigrants. Just illegal ones, who are not refugees at all. Plus the child claims are often 20 something males. If Linekar had given it more nuance he might not have looked like the useful idiots he always does. I caught Theresa May earlier say something needs to be done, but unfortunately people trafficked might be the collateral damage. The flaws in this need addressing. I’d rather hear details that mean more than juvenile politics from a former footballer (goal poacher tbp). There’s too many idiots unwilling to look beyond ‘’I am right that this is wrong’’
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 14 Mar 23 12.54pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
You make this sound so simple. Free speech is to be supported at all costs. Free speech for celebrities, particularly working for the BBC, is another matter. That has to be limited. Free speech cannot be and has never been unlimited for anyone. You have made this very argument yourself. When it comes to illegal immigration. The idea that we can just continue as things are now is insanity. The majority of people support halting illegal immigration. The Tories are going hard on this firstly because it is essential, and second because it is a vote winner. This is when democracy actually works. Meanwhile, the BBC is funded by all of us and cannot be seen to be Left bias, as it surely is. If the BBC wants to be funded by law, then it has to get its house in order. You were doing so well with the highlighted comments. Until the last one! Free speech cannot be unlimited, and I have said so myself. Using hate speech publicly is rightly illegal. However it must be balanced, and finding the right balance is what is currently under review. We certainly cannot allow the current level, and methods, of illegal immigration to continue. It is senseless for everyone, except the criminal gangs. I support the government efforts. The BBC is funded by all of us by taxation and it's users via the licence. There is though no "left" bias in the BBC. It's position is, and always has been, strictly impartial. What people like you seem to get confused and wound up about is that journalists, as a group, tend to come from a background which has an interest in social justice. They have enquiring minds and a skill with words., so they probe and report. When a government has been in power for so long it's easy to assume that because they are on the "right" that means that those who observe and question them must be on the "left". The fact though is they will observe and question who-ever is in government. The last Labour government was given a hard time too by the BBC and many on the left complained bitterly about alleged bias. Corbyn too was ridiculed by the BBC at times. I suggest you wait another 5 years to see how the next Labour government are treated. You might revise your opinion, though somehow I doubt it.
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| Teddy Eagle 14 Mar 23 1.06pm |
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