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Hrolf The Ganger 12 Jul 21 9.41am
Originally posted by Wilesy01 You called Sterling and Rashford "victims" You and others on here seem to think black players become fair game when they do something bad on the pitch. And I've noticed a black poster on here being called out on this post because he has the audacity to support these players. It's disgusting, nasty, bigoted behaviour by a group of scared, sad little men. More strawman garbage from lame brains. No one is fair game from abuse. Race related abuse is no different to any other abuse. BLM, taking the knee and all the other race obsessed nonsense is ruining football. Poke your accusations up your arse. I support all the England squad, Not just one colour. Saka was a brave lad to take that penalty. He deserves far more praise than whingers like Stirling who constantly play the victim despite being super rich.

Hrolf The Ganger

12 Jul 21 9.41am

Originally posted by Wilesy01

You called Sterling and Rashford "victims"

You and others on here seem to think black players become fair game when they do something bad on the pitch. And I've noticed a black poster on here being called out on this post because he has the audacity to support these players.

It's disgusting, nasty, bigoted behaviour by a group of scared, sad little men.

More strawman garbage from lame brains.

No one is fair game from abuse. Race related abuse is no different to any other abuse.
BLM, taking the knee and all the other race obsessed nonsense is ruining football.

Poke your accusations up your arse. I support all the England squad, Not just one colour. Saka was a brave lad to take that penalty. He deserves far more praise than whingers like Stirling who constantly play the victim despite being super rich.

Stirlingsays 12 Jul 21 9.52am
Originally posted by Wilesy01 Hot take from the Hols most brilliant intellectual - when a black player misses a penalty they become fair game for racist abuse. Do you actually read the psuedo-intellectual nasty crap you post? As has been rather well pointed out, if the race aspect hadn't been thrown down people's throats these last few months I doubt this would even be a thing.....those nasty tweets that aren't hoaxes that is. Football selection should be about merit, so to me if an England shirt missed a penalty it's one of those things. People are going to be massively disappointed and people say stuff in anger and personally I understand that. As for me being this or that....You obviously have a significantly different worldview to me and others on the non 'wet' right. Perhaps if we both afforded each some slack with opinions we could all have conversations that didn't lapse into pointless insults. Maybe even find common ground to some extents. God forbid. Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Jul 2021 10.02am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

12 Jul 21 9.52am

Originally posted by Wilesy01

Hot take from the Hols most brilliant intellectual - when a black player misses a penalty they become fair game for racist abuse.

Do you actually read the psuedo-intellectual nasty crap you post?

As has been rather well pointed out, if the race aspect hadn't been thrown down people's throats these last few months I doubt this would even be a thing.....those nasty tweets that aren't hoaxes that is.

Football selection should be about merit, so to me if an England shirt missed a penalty it's one of those things. People are going to be massively disappointed and people say stuff in anger and personally I understand that.

As for me being this or that....You obviously have a significantly different worldview to me and others on the non 'wet' right. Perhaps if we both afforded each some slack with opinions we could all have conversations that didn't lapse into pointless insults.

Maybe even find common ground to some extents.

God forbid.

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Jul 2021 10.02am)

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Tom-the-eagle Croydon 12 Jul 21 9.54am
Originally posted by madcap_v2 The whole 222 page thread is about race, what are you on about? Edited by madcap_v2 (12 Jul 2021 9.40am) Edited by madcap_v2 (12 Jul 2021 9.41am) Just the two edits? Well done "It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit

Tom-the-eagle

Croydon 12 Jul 21 9.54am

Originally posted by madcap_v2

The whole 222 page thread is about race, what are you on about?

Edited by madcap_v2 (12 Jul 2021 9.40am)

Edited by madcap_v2 (12 Jul 2021 9.41am)

Just the two edits? Well done

"It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit

madcap_v2 SE25 / Ibiza 12 Jul 21 10.09am
Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle Just the two edits? Well done Yeah, I made a typo from typing too fast and put 221 pages instead of 222. What the edit function is for, I hope that's OK with you, sir? La la la your mum

madcap_v2

SE25 / Ibiza 12 Jul 21 10.09am

Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle

Just the two edits? Well done

Yeah, I made a typo from typing too fast and put 221 pages instead of 222. What the edit function is for, I hope that's OK with you, sir?

La la la your mum

Tom-the-eagle Croydon 12 Jul 21 10.19am
Originally posted by madcap_v2 Yeah, I made a typo from typing too fast and put 221 pages instead of 222. What the edit function is for, I hope that's OK with you, sir? I understand. Its all a lot for you to take in. You're doing really well by the way. Just give me a shout if I can be of assistance. "It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit

Tom-the-eagle

Croydon 12 Jul 21 10.19am

Originally posted by madcap_v2

Yeah, I made a typo from typing too fast and put 221 pages instead of 222. What the edit function is for, I hope that's OK with you, sir?

I understand. Its all a lot for you to take in. You're doing really well by the way.

Just give me a shout if I can be of assistance.

"It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit

Stirlingsays 12 Jul 21 10.24am
The 'diversity' industry is rather like the anti virus industry. Its economic model is based upon fear and the need to maintain it. To that end there is an inherent self interest in jumping onto a bandwagon whenever significant events happen to ensure that people believe that your product is important. In America race hoaxes have been shown as quite common, as the diversity industry is even more advanced there then here....there are literally millions being spent on it. Yet studies have shown that whites are the least 'racist' of all the races. I have no knowledge of hoaxes in this incident but I'm always suspicious of just how common and genuine this stuff is.....I admit it happens, but how common is it...what are the proportion of hoaxes. There is a distinct lack of interest from the establishment in finding that out. Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Jul 2021 10.26am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

12 Jul 21 10.24am

The 'diversity' industry is rather like the anti virus industry. Its economic model is based upon fear and the need to maintain it.

To that end there is an inherent self interest in jumping onto a bandwagon whenever significant events happen to ensure that people believe that your product is important.

In America race hoaxes have been shown as quite common, as the diversity industry is even more advanced there then here....there are literally millions being spent on it.

Yet studies have shown that whites are the least 'racist' of all the races.

I have no knowledge of hoaxes in this incident but I'm always suspicious of just how common and genuine this stuff is.....I admit it happens, but how common is it...what are the proportion of hoaxes. There is a distinct lack of interest from the establishment in finding that out.

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Jul 2021 10.26am)

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Matov 12 Jul 21 10.29am
Now we have the Euro's out of the way, I wonder if this pathetic knee-taking BS will survive? It's all going to be about the run-up to the World Cup being held in that well-known hotbed of modern liberalism, Qatar. And I wonder if the sponsors will want the blindingly obvious hypocrisy surrounding our supposed 'woke' footballing establishment taking the blood-stained petro-dollars heading their way put up for scrutiny? Popcorn at the ready for this one! "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Matov

12 Jul 21 10.29am

Now we have the Euro's out of the way, I wonder if this pathetic knee-taking BS will survive? It's all going to be about the run-up to the World Cup being held in that well-known hotbed of modern liberalism, Qatar.

And I wonder if the sponsors will want the blindingly obvious hypocrisy surrounding our supposed 'woke' footballing establishment taking the blood-stained petro-dollars heading their way put up for scrutiny?

Popcorn at the ready for this one!

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Stirlingsays 12 Jul 21 10.36am
Originally posted by Matov Now we have the Euro's out of the way, I wonder if this pathetic knee-taking BS will survive? It's all going to be about the run-up to the World Cup being held in that well-known hotbed of modern liberalism, Qatar. And I wonder if the sponsors will want the blindingly obvious hypocrisy surrounding our supposed 'woke' footballing establishment taking the blood-stained petro-dollars heading their way put up for scrutiny? Popcorn at the ready for this one! I don't see it stopping unless it hits clubs financially. It doesn't affect the players as their wages are set and this behaviour is safe for them. If it carries on into the season I see lower league clubs stopping first.....as those ticket sales matter. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

12 Jul 21 10.36am

Originally posted by Matov

Popcorn at the ready for this one!

I don't see it stopping unless it hits clubs financially. It doesn't affect the players as their wages are set and this behaviour is safe for them.

If it carries on into the season I see lower league clubs stopping first.....as those ticket sales matter.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Hrolf The Ganger 12 Jul 21 11.22am
So England lose the Euro final but still achieve their best effort since '66 and the media are still talking about racism. A prince an the PM are making statements about it. This is the country we now live in. In the stranglehold race obsession purpotrated by those who gain by virtue signalling. A shameful state of affairs and all caused by mass immigration and those who gain from it. This is how minorities are allowed to assert themselves at the expence of the majority and at the same time become exploited to serve the interestes of the wealty few.

Hrolf The Ganger

12 Jul 21 11.22am

So England lose the Euro final but still achieve their best effort since '66 and the media are still talking about racism. A prince an the PM are making statements about it.

This is the country we now live in. In the stranglehold race obsession purpotrated by those who gain by virtue signalling.

A shameful state of affairs and all caused by mass immigration and those who gain from it. This is how minorities are allowed to assert themselves at the expence of the majority and at the same time become exploited to serve the interestes of the wealty few.

madcap_v2 SE25 / Ibiza 12 Jul 21 11.51am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger So England lose the Euro final but still achieve their best effort since '66 and the media are still talking about racism. A prince an the PM are making statements about it. This is the country we now live in. In the stranglehold race obsession purpotrated by those who gain by virtue signalling. A shameful state of affairs and all caused by mass immigration and those who gain from it. This is how minorities are allowed to assert themselves at the expence of the majority and at the same time become exploited to serve the interestes of the wealty few. Nothing to do with the racial abuse the players faced directly, racist comments from England fans who now want to place the blame on not just the black players, but black people? Black England fans being attacked, physically and verbally abused on their way home? "Caused by mass immigration". Some warped view of the world you have there. I mean, if it wasn't for mass immigration, that England team would look vastly different and Saka wouldn't be taking a penalty, so I guess you may be right there. La la la your mum

madcap_v2

SE25 / Ibiza 12 Jul 21 11.51am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

So England lose the Euro final but still achieve their best effort since '66 and the media are still talking about racism. A prince an the PM are making statements about it.

This is the country we now live in. In the stranglehold race obsession purpotrated by those who gain by virtue signalling.

Nothing to do with the racial abuse the players faced directly, racist comments from England fans who now want to place the blame on not just the black players, but black people? Black England fans being attacked, physically and verbally abused on their way home?

"Caused by mass immigration". Some warped view of the world you have there. I mean, if it wasn't for mass immigration, that England team would look vastly different and Saka wouldn't be taking a penalty, so I guess you may be right there.

La la la your mum

Wilesy01 Bristol 12 Jul 21 12.00pm
Originally posted by madcap_v2 Nothing to do with the racial abuse the players faced directly, racist comments from England fans who now want to place the blame on not just the black players, but black people? Black England fans being attacked, physically and verbally abused on their way home? "Caused by mass immigration". Some warped view of the world you have there. I mean, if it wasn't for mass immigration, that England team would look vastly different and Saka wouldn't be taking a penalty, so I guess you may be right there. Honestly pal don't give them the oxygen. They are trying to defend the indefensible. What has happened on this thread over the last 12 hours or so is ugly.

Wilesy01

Bristol 12 Jul 21 12.00pm

Originally posted by madcap_v2

Honestly pal don't give them the oxygen. They are trying to defend the indefensible.

What has happened on this thread over the last 12 hours or so is ugly.

Pembroke Bristol 12 Jul 21 12.09pm
Originally posted by madcap_v2 Nothing to do with the racial abuse the players faced directly, racist comments from England fans who now want to place the blame on not just the black players, but black people? Black England fans being attacked, physically and verbally abused on their way home? "Caused by mass immigration". Some warped view of the world you have there. I mean, if it wasn't for mass immigration, that England team would look vastly different and Saka wouldn't be taking a penalty, so I guess you may be right there. Why don't you debate the posters points? Mass immigration does have negative and obviously positive aspects. Does identity politics, yours create division? You divide people by race. All abuse is unacceptable. Blaming immigration for having negative aspects is not blaming all immigrants. If it wasn't for mass immigration, that England team would look vastly different .. Your point about mass immigration is uneven. The levels of immigration in the past were in the tens of thousands a year now its hundreds .. If mass immigration in the past was at the levels it is an now, that England team would look vastly different .. Well of course it would.

Pembroke

Bristol 12 Jul 21 12.09pm

Originally posted by madcap_v2

Why don't you debate the posters points? Mass immigration does have negative and obviously positive aspects.

Does identity politics, yours create division? You divide people by race. All abuse is unacceptable.

Blaming immigration for having negative aspects is not blaming all immigrants.

If it wasn't for mass immigration, that England team would look vastly different .. Your point about mass immigration is uneven. The levels of immigration in the past were in the tens of thousands a year now its hundreds .. If mass immigration in the past was at the levels it is an now, that England team would look vastly different .. Well of course it would.

Hrolf The Ganger 12 Jul 21 12.10pm
Originally posted by madcap_v2 Nothing to do with the racial abuse the players faced directly, racist comments from England fans who now want to place the blame on not just the black players, but black people? Black England fans being attacked, physically and verbally abused on their way home? "Caused by mass immigration". Some warped view of the world you have there. I mean, if it wasn't for mass immigration, that England team would look vastly different and Saka wouldn't be taking a penalty, so I guess you may be right there. Do behave. You are happy to jump on the sensationalist posturing bandwaggon . The media love this stuff. How may people actually post racist abuse or any sort of abuse? A tiny tiny minority, but the headlines are all about racism. You are a typical hypocrite. You post BLM matters posters of Black players and then talk about diverity. You then try to suggest that this is a racist country. That is offensive to English people. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (12 Jul 2021 12.11pm)

Hrolf The Ganger

12 Jul 21 12.10pm

Originally posted by madcap_v2

Do behave.
You are happy to jump on the sensationalist posturing bandwaggon .
The media love this stuff.

How may people actually post racist abuse or any sort of abuse? A tiny tiny minority, but the headlines are all about racism.
You are a typical hypocrite. You post BLM matters posters of Black players and then talk about diverity. You then try to suggest that this is a racist country.

That is offensive to English people.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (12 Jul 2021 12.11pm)

Hrolf The Ganger 12 Jul 21 12.19pm
Originally posted by Wilesy01 Honestly pal don't give them the oxygen. They are trying to defend the indefensible. What has happened on this thread over the last 12 hours or so is ugly. Who is defending what? I haven't read anyone defend nything accept you and Madcap trying to justify bringing race politics into football.

Hrolf The Ganger

12 Jul 21 12.19pm

Originally posted by Wilesy01

Honestly pal don't give them the oxygen. They are trying to defend the indefensible.

What has happened on this thread over the last 12 hours or so is ugly.

Who is defending what?

I haven't read anyone defend nything accept you and Madcap trying to justify bringing race politics into football.

steeleye20 Croydon 12 Jul 21 12.53pm
Ms Patel came under fire herself for speaking out against the players when they took the knee before matches – a protest against racism in sport and elsewhere. The Prime Minister’s comments were dismissed as “hollow” by Labour MPs who said he was responsible for sewing seeds of division. Tory peer Baronees Warsi said those who “booed and failed to condemn the booing” of players taking the knee were “feeding a culture where racism thrives and shames our nation”. It is a relief the euros are over and Johnson and Patel can creep back into the slime they created.

steeleye20

Croydon 12 Jul 21 12.53pm

Ms Patel came under fire herself for speaking out against the players when they took the knee before matches – a protest against racism in sport and elsewhere.

The Prime Minister’s comments were dismissed as “hollow” by Labour MPs who said he was responsible for sewing seeds of division.

Tory peer Baronees Warsi said those who “booed and failed to condemn the booing” of players taking the knee were “feeding a culture where racism thrives and shames our nation”.

It is a relief the euros are over and Johnson and Patel can creep back into the slime they created.

madcap_v2 SE25 / Ibiza 12 Jul 21 12.54pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Do behave. You are happy to jump on the sensationalist posturing bandwaggon . The media love this stuff. How may people actually post racist abuse or any sort of abuse? A tiny tiny minority, but the headlines are all about racism. You are a typical hypocrite. You post BLM matters posters of Black players and then talk about diverity. You then try to suggest that this is a racist country. That is offensive to English people. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (12 Jul 2021 12.11pm) It isn't sensationalist posturing when it's actually happening. I challenge you to have a 10 min break from here and have a look on twitter for yourself. BLM matters? Black Lives Matter Matters? Never heard of them. I posted a picture of black players, making the backone of the England team. Do you watch football or are you that thick that you've forgotten the rest of the players that make up the team? Thus making it a diverse football team. This is a racist country, certainly not the most racist in the world, but racist nevertheless. It's a country I've lived in for 36 years and I'm telling you, it is a problem in society which is reflected and amplified in football. Our own PM has gone on to condemn the racism, however not long after condemning taking the knee for racial equality (+ dismissing Britain's role in slavery, comparing Muslim women with letterboxes, calling black people piccannies etc). Above all, I AM AN ENGLISH PERSON. So what part of pointing out racism in my own country is offensive to me? La la la your mum

madcap_v2

SE25 / Ibiza 12 Jul 21 12.54pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Do behave.
You are happy to jump on the sensationalist posturing bandwaggon .
The media love this stuff.

That is offensive to English people.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (12 Jul 2021 12.11pm)

It isn't sensationalist posturing when it's actually happening. I challenge you to have a 10 min break from here and have a look on twitter for yourself.

BLM matters? Black Lives Matter Matters? Never heard of them. I posted a picture of black players, making the backone of the England team. Do you watch football or are you that thick that you've forgotten the rest of the players that make up the team? Thus making it a diverse football team.

This is a racist country, certainly not the most racist in the world, but racist nevertheless. It's a country I've lived in for 36 years and I'm telling you, it is a problem in society which is reflected and amplified in football. Our own PM has gone on to condemn the racism, however not long after condemning taking the knee for racial equality (+ dismissing Britain's role in slavery, comparing Muslim women with letterboxes, calling black people piccannies etc).

Above all, I AM AN ENGLISH PERSON. So what part of pointing out racism in my own country is offensive to me?

La la la your mum

madcap_v2 SE25 / Ibiza 12 Jul 21 12.57pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Who is defending what? I haven't read anyone defend nything accept you and Madcap trying to justify bringing race politics into football. Bringing mass-immigration into football isn't political then is it? Ok. La la la your mum

madcap_v2

SE25 / Ibiza 12 Jul 21 12.57pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Who is defending what?

I haven't read anyone defend nything accept you and Madcap trying to justify bringing race politics into football.

Bringing mass-immigration into football isn't political then is it? Ok.

La la la your mum

jeeagles 12 Jul 21 1.09pm
This didn't happen when Ashley Cole missed in 2014.

jeeagles

12 Jul 21 1.09pm

This didn't happen when Ashley Cole missed in 2014.

Pembroke Bristol 12 Jul 21 1.11pm
Originally posted by madcap_v2 It isn't sensationalist posturing when it's actually happening. I challenge you to have a 10 min break from here and have a look on twitter for yourself. BLM matters? Black Lives Matter Matters? Never heard of them. I posted a picture of black players, making the backone of the England team. Do you watch football or are you that thick that you've forgotten the rest of the players that make up the team? Thus making it a diverse football team. This is a racist country, certainly not the most racist in the world, but racist nevertheless. It's a country I've lived in for 36 years and I'm telling you, it is a problem in society which is reflected and amplified in football. Our own PM has gone on to condemn the racism, however not long after condemning taking the knee for racial equality (+ dismissing Britain's role in slavery, comparing Muslim women with letterboxes, calling black people piccannies etc). Above all, I AM AN ENGLISH PERSON. So what part of pointing out racism in my own country is offensive to me? Condemning the knee is not racism. Muslim women and letter boxes is .. I think many aspects of religion are repressive and ridiculous .. RELIGION not race. Piccannies its was a point about how Countries were being used as Piccannies not populaces. You chose to enter a picture into the thread to be divisive, the picture divided players into a racial grouping and you have made facile political points about immigration. This is displaying your prejudice. Evidence after evidence base, you gov poll after you gov poll, fact after fact, millions of immigrants living in the UK proves that this Country is not perfect but it leads to a conclusion that we are a tolerant nation. We, the WE that is 99/9% of us are not racist. There is a percentile of a percentile who are truly prejudiced, your posts indicate you occupy that group.

Pembroke

Bristol 12 Jul 21 1.11pm

Originally posted by madcap_v2

It isn't sensationalist posturing when it's actually happening. I challenge you to have a 10 min break from here and have a look on twitter for yourself.

Above all, I AM AN ENGLISH PERSON. So what part of pointing out racism in my own country is offensive to me?

Condemning the knee is not racism. Muslim women and letter boxes is .. I think many aspects of religion are repressive and ridiculous .. RELIGION not race. Piccannies its was a point about how Countries were being used as Piccannies not populaces.

You chose to enter a picture into the thread to be divisive, the picture divided players into a racial grouping and you have made facile political points about immigration.

This is displaying your prejudice.

Evidence after evidence base, you gov poll after you gov poll, fact after fact, millions of immigrants living in the UK proves that this Country is not perfect but it leads to a conclusion that we are a tolerant nation. We, the WE that is 99/9% of us are not racist.

There is a percentile of a percentile who are truly prejudiced, your posts indicate you occupy that group.

Tom-the-eagle Croydon 12 Jul 21 1.27pm
Originally posted by Pembroke Condemning the knee is not racism. Muslim women and letter boxes is .. I think many aspects of religion are repressive and ridiculous .. RELIGION not race. Piccannies its was a point about how Countries were being used as Piccannies not populaces. You chose to enter a picture into the thread to be divisive, the picture divided players into a racial grouping and you have made facile political points about immigration. This is displaying your prejudice. Evidence after evidence base, you gov poll after you gov poll, fact after fact, millions of immigrants living in the UK proves that this Country is not perfect but it leads to a conclusion that we are a tolerant nation. We, the WE that is 99/9% of us are not racist. There is a percentile of a percentile who are truly prejudiced, your posts indicate you occupy that group. Another excellent post Pembroke Welcome to HOL! Tom "It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit

Tom-the-eagle

Croydon 12 Jul 21 1.27pm

Originally posted by Pembroke

You chose to enter a picture into the thread to be divisive, the picture divided players into a racial grouping and you have made facile political points about immigration.

This is displaying your prejudice.

There is a percentile of a percentile who are truly prejudiced, your posts indicate you occupy that group.

Another excellent post Pembroke

Welcome to HOL!

Tom

"It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit

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