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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 14 Mar 23 1.36pm

Users of the Nextdoor app have recently eenasking each other where there’s an open car wash place. The downsides of less illegal immigration run by gangs already being experienced by the white collar/pyjama laptop ruling class.

 


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Midlands Eagle Flag 14 Mar 23 2.14pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Users of the Nextdoor app have recently eenasking each other where there’s an open car wash place. The downsides of less illegal immigration run by gangs already being experienced by the white collar/pyjama laptop ruling class.

Mr H. is it my imagination or haven't we seen you on HOL for a while until your recent re-emergence?

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 14 Mar 23 2.16pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

You were doing so well with the highlighted comments. Until the last one!

Free speech cannot be unlimited, and I have said so myself. Using hate speech publicly is rightly illegal. However it must be balanced, and finding the right balance is what is currently under review.

We certainly cannot allow the current level, and methods, of illegal immigration to continue. It is senseless for everyone, except the criminal gangs.

I support the government efforts.

The BBC is funded by all of us by taxation and it's users via the licence. There is though no "left" bias in the BBC. It's position is, and always has been, strictly impartial. What people like you seem to get confused and wound up about is that journalists, as a group, tend to come from a background which has an interest in social justice. They have enquiring minds and a skill with words., so they probe and report.

When a government has been in power for so long it's easy to assume that because they are on the "right" that means that those who observe and question them must be on the "left". The fact though is they will observe and question who-ever is in government. The last Labour government was given a hard time too by the BBC and many on the left complained bitterly about alleged bias. Corbyn too was ridiculed by the BBC at times.

I suggest you wait another 5 years to see how the next Labour government are treated. You might revise your opinion, though somehow I doubt it.

I have no doubt that the intention of the BBC is to be unbiased. In fact, I would suggest that the commercial channels are far more biased.

Unfortunately, there has been increasing evidence that there are those within the BBC who are anything but unbiased. They cannot be allowed to distort reality with clearly biased hyperbole or party political bias when the public are forced to fund their employers by law.

What really bother me is the double standards around how the media and the Left (often the same thing) uphold the right to free speech.
To them, unsurprisingly, it seems that some free speakers are more equal than others.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (14 Mar 2023 2.17pm)

 

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 14 Mar 23 2.52pm

With the BBC board's make-up as it is, with a tory donor chairman under investigation, a prospective tory MP and right leaning members, it makes it easy for the conservative party to bully and cajole them, credit to Lineker & co for making principled and successful stand.

A lax creeping authoritarian right wing system is spreading across the UK in my view.

Is the BBC promoting fascism, a poll of 1024 members of the public 94% say yes.

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards georgenorman Flag 14 Mar 23 3.03pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

With the BBC board's make-up as it is, with a tory donor chairman under investigation, a prospective tory MP and right leaning members, it makes it easy for the conservative party to bully and cajole them, credit to Lineker & co for making principled and successful stand.

A lax creeping authoritarian right wing system is spreading across the UK in my view.

Is the BBC promoting fascism, a poll of 1024 members of the public 94% say yes.

It's like Germany in the 1930s!!

 

CrazyBadger Flag Ware 14 Mar 23 3.04pm

I simply can't believe just how much this has exploded.

It's another example of a media outlet jumping on something that could cause moral outrage, stirring it up and igniting it - which seems to be the only thing that sells papers nowadays.

I wouldn't have known about it had it not been blown out of all proportion. He's a (minor) celebrity giving his views to people who choose to follow him. not for my ears thanks.

The BBC had no choice but to suspend him pending talks after this outrage, they were in an impossible situation. criticised if they do, castigated if they don't. They have a right to think about how their employees, freelance or otherwise, will affect how the bbc as a corporation are viewed, it'd be suicide not to. If they present a show then they are representing the bbc.
They shouldn't limit their freedom of speech, but they have the right not to use them in their shows if they see fit.
I bet theirs countless posts on social media considered outrageous made by many celebrities who are 'employed' by whatever corporation, but it's because it's the BBC and someone as high-profile as Lineker that someone has deemed it newsworthy.


 


"It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"

ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 14 Mar 23 3.04pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

With the BBC board's make-up as it is, with a tory donor chairman under investigation, a prospective tory MP and right leaning members, it makes it easy for the conservative party to bully and cajole them, credit to Lineker & co for making principled and successful stand.

A lax creeping authoritarian right wing system is spreading across the UK in my view.

Is the BBC promoting fascism, a poll of 1024 members of the public 94% say yes.

I personally believe you find the 'promoting fascism' poll funny - even hilarious. What evidence is there for that? Pictures of Sunak riding a horse in a Templar uniform with a sten gun?
The ridiculous, over the top, blue haired vegans, they, have been at it again. Mental health is where we need more investment. Loads more by the looks of it.
As for creeping authoritarianism - yes, for speeding fines, parking fines, ULEZ, congestion charges, parking fees, fuel taxes, licence fees. The average person basically.
Not for criminals though - or any serious wrong doing.

 


Red and Blue Army!

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards georgenorman Flag 14 Mar 23 3.14pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

With the BBC board's make-up as it is, with a tory donor chairman under investigation, a prospective tory MP and right leaning members, it makes it easy for the conservative party to bully and cajole them, credit to Lineker & co for making principled and successful stand.

A lax creeping authoritarian right wing system is spreading across the UK in my view.

Is the BBC promoting fascism, a poll of 1024 members of the public 94% say yes.

Can you tell us more about this remarkable poll? Like who ran it, and how the members of the public were chosen? 94% of 1024 is 962.56 - was one of the voters in two minds?

 

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 14 Mar 23 3.16pm

The conservative party, and the royal family, clearly had more than just a soft spot for Hitler. Edward VIII was a huge fan and knew all the dinking songs by heart, visited him often and was wisely packed off by Churchill to the Bahamas.

The appeasement of course, and the Daily Mail support of fascism are all well documented.

We would not be here if the left had not buried their differences with Churchill in 1940 whose tory colleagues did not think we could prevail and later rebuilt the country under Attlee.

To me, the BBC at the moment looks very 'Daily Mail'.

At least the board does.

 

Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 14 Mar 23 3.16pm

Originally posted by georgenorman

Can you tell us more about this remarkable poll? Like who ran it, and how the members of the public were chosen? 94% of 1024 is 962.56 - was one of the voters in two minds?

It was Sam Smith.

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

Teddy Eagle Flag 14 Mar 23 3.23pm

Originally posted by Nicholas91

It was Sam Smith.

No wonder he can't brew a decent pint.

 

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 14 Mar 23 3.32pm

Originally posted by georgenorman

Can you tell us more about this remarkable poll? Like who ran it, and how the members of the public were chosen? 94% of 1024 is 962.56 - was one of the voters in two minds?

I can't find it, I mean we are not talking jackboots but rightwing ideology.

(I think).

 

Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 14 Mar 23 3.42pm

Originally posted by georgenorman

It is that simple.

You clearly do not support everyone’s right to be heard.

She did not break any order, she was standing silently in a public street that she was not banned from.

“In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.” [Orwell]

The bakers did not break any law in refusing to refusing to get put the political slogan on the cake.

There is no logical reason to have the BBC funded by tax-payers, many of whom don’t use it.

I don't want to be rude, but that is really a silly response.

Everyone has a right to be heard. Both you and the lady included. What you cannot do is demand to be heard where-ever you choose. You aren't allowed to come inside my home, unless I invite you to. The lady can be heard in almost every street in our country. Just not the very few with restriction orders on them. If all she wanted to do was pray then why choose that one? It was a deliberate act designed to break the law, get arrested, get publicity and wind up the gullible.

Clearly the SC ruled that the Ashers didn't break any law, or the guilty verdict would not have been overturned. I am not arguing that. I am arguing it wasn't just and that the law needs to be changed.

As we all benefit from the BBC whether we watch it or not, we all ought to pay for it. There are many things paid for via taxation that I never personally use, but still benefit me. We are all part of the same society, so we must pay the costs of that society. Do you need me to explain how we all benefit from the BBC, or is it obvious to you?

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards georgenorman Flag 14 Mar 23 3.47pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

The conservative party, and the royal family, clearly had more than just a soft spot for Hitler. Edward VIII was a huge fan and knew all the dinking songs by heart, visited him often and was wisely packed off by Churchill to the Bahamas.

The appeasement of course, and the Daily Mail support of fascism are all well documented.

We would not be here if the left had not buried their differences with Churchill in 1940 whose tory colleagues did not think we could prevail and later rebuilt the country under Attlee.

To me, the BBC at the moment looks very 'Daily Mail'.

At least the board does.

You visited Edward VIII often? Churchill showed his usual wisdom getting you out of this country.

The support of communists and the left, here and everywhere else, for Hitler, due to Stalin’s non-aggression pact with him, until Barbarossa, is well documented.

The likes of Aneurin Bevan did not bury their differences with Churchill, who described Bevan as “a squalid nuisance”. Certainly the likes of Ernest Bevin were true patriots who did help us win the war.

Edited by georgenorman (14 Mar 2023 3.48pm)

 

Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 14 Mar 23 3.49pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

You know full well that isn’t true, because it returns pushing back against whatever is happening, especially if it was never voted for, ever.

That they are now, or soon will be, looks inevitable.

That I hope doesn't mean I expect. I don't though expect to see them again myself which ought to mean safety for the BBC in my lifetime.

 


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Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 14 Mar 23 3.50pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

No wonder he can't brew a decent pint.

*they

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards georgenorman Flag 14 Mar 23 3.58pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I don't want to be rude, but that is really a silly response.

Everyone has a right to be heard. Both you and the lady included. What you cannot do is demand to be heard where-ever you choose. You aren't allowed to come inside my home, unless I invite you to. The lady can be heard in almost every street in our country. Just not the very few with restriction orders on them. If all she wanted to do was pray then why choose that one? It was a deliberate act designed to break the law, get arrested, get publicity and wind up the gullible.

Clearly the SC ruled that the Ashers didn't break any law, or the guilty verdict would not have been overturned. I am not arguing that. I am arguing it wasn't just and that the law needs to be changed.

As we all benefit from the BBC whether we watch it or not, we all ought to pay for it. There are many things paid for via taxation that I never personally use, but still benefit me. We are all part of the same society, so we must pay the costs of that society. Do you need me to explain how we all benefit from the BBC, or is it obvious to you?

I couldn’t care less what you want or do not want to do.

The woman was not in anyone’s house or in any private place. She was in a public street from which she was not banned. She didn’t attempt to be ‘heard’, that’s the point, she was standing silently. You want to arrest people that you think might be praying in some way that you object to, I bet you can’t wait until there is technology that could read thoughts.

At last you admit that the Ashers did not break any law. Perhaps you could commission a cake that has slogans on it that advocate your dictatorial ideas.

Yes, please do explain how we all benefit from the BBC.

 

Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 14 Mar 23 4.07pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I have no doubt that the intention of the BBC is to be unbiased. In fact, I would suggest that the commercial channels are far more biased.

Unfortunately, there has been increasing evidence that there are those within the BBC who are anything but unbiased. They cannot be allowed to distort reality with clearly biased hyperbole or party political bias when the public are forced to fund their employers by law.

What really bother me is the double standards around how the media and the Left (often the same thing) uphold the right to free speech.
To them, unsurprisingly, it seems that some free speakers are more equal than others.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (14 Mar 2023 2.17pm)

You see things from the right and see bias. Those on the left also see bias. For the right! I am in the centre and think they do a pretty fair job of maintaining balance.

This idea that we have a left wing media is laughable. It just isn't true. The printed media is heavily right wing in all but a tiny minority. I am unaware of any broadcaster who takes a left wing stance, but there are broadcasters taking an unapologetic right wing stance.

I have a friend, now retired, who was a senior sub-editor for the Mail. Many of their biggest stories were his words. He would take the raw journalism and rewrite it so it matched both the Mail's style and political outlook. The editor would decide the angle the report would come from, and he delivered it. His name wasn't on the "by-line" and never appeared anywhere.

In his private life he was, and still is, a Labour voter. He was just good at his job. He was a professional writer. Just as are those who work for the BBC professional broadcasters.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 14 Mar 23 4.19pm

Originally posted by georgenorman

I couldn’t care less what you want or do not want to do.

The woman was not in anyone’s house or in any private place. She was in a public street from which she was not banned. She didn’t attempt to be ‘heard’, that’s the point, she was standing silently. You want to arrest people that you think might be praying in some way that you object to, I bet you can’t wait until there is technology that could read thoughts.

At last you admit that the Ashers did not break any law. Perhaps you could commission a cake that has slogans on it that advocate your dictatorial ideas.

Yes, please do explain how we all benefit from the BBC.

As I have patiently explained she had previous, been warned and arrested before. But she continued to stand there. You don't have to say anything to be heard. Just being there communicated a message that was considered intimidating. You might disagree, but were neither there nor responsible for deciding. She wanted to be arrested. It was the point of her being there. You don't need to read anyone's thoughts. The actions were enough.

I have never said the Ashers were finally cleared of lawbreaking. Only that the law needs revising.

If I was in Belfast I would boycott the Ashers bakery on principle.

We all benefit from the BBC via the reputation it brings to this country abroad. It's the most trusted broadcaster in the world. I have been in places where the local news is so distrusted that the people tune into the BBC to know what is really happening. The BBC is our greatest advocate and one of our greatest achievements. That is of huge benefit to each of us.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards georgenorman Flag 14 Mar 23 4.20pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

You see things from the right and see bias. Those on the left also see bias. For the right! I am in the centre and think they do a pretty fair job of maintaining balance.

This idea that we have a left wing media is laughable. It just isn't true. The printed media is heavily right wing in all but a tiny minority. I am unaware of any broadcaster who takes a left wing stance, but there are broadcasters taking an unapologetic right wing stance.

I have a friend, now retired, who was a senior sub-editor for the Mail. Many of their biggest stories were his words. He would take the raw journalism and rewrite it so it matched both the Mail's style and political outlook. The editor would decide the angle the report would come from, and he delivered it. His name wasn't on the "by-line" and never appeared anywhere.

In his private life he was, and still is, a Labour voter. He was just good at his job. He was a professional writer. Just as are those who work for the BBC professional broadcasters.

You are in the centre!
How can we tell?
On what issues have you not taken the left's line?

 

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