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 Y Ddraig Goch  In The Crowd 15 Sep 16 6.47pm |
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| Hoof Hearted 16 Sep 16 10.25am | |
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Originally posted by Mr_Gristle
Imagine the national meltdown if Corbyn had agreed to allow a French state-run energy monopoly to price-gouge UK electricity consumers for the next couple of decades, so they get a guaranteed big return on their building of a nuclear power station in this country. What a betrayal of the average person that would be! Oh....hang on. The history of that deal started so long ago that we have painted ourselves into a corner so to speak. I believe negotiations started in 2008... ie under Gordon Brown and has since gone through the coalition and now the Tories. To abandon it now would write off Billions already spent and as you point out to continue commits us to a very high future price of electricity production. There are so many other opportunities and dangers that need to be taken into account not least diplomacy with China and FRance/EU at a time when we should be concentrating on Brexit and don't need to rock the boat. If the situation was more simpler and we had no other factors to consider I agree... we would tell EDF and China to fcuk off and look for a cheaper more viable alternative.
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| Hoof Hearted 16 Sep 16 10.47am | |
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Originally posted by newickeagle
Mr Gristle's point is that had this atrocious deal happened under Labour the right wing press would have a field day, tanks bursting out the front pages. Still it's the Tories so all ok ! Nothing changes. Mr Gristle's point is well noted, but as I pointed out, no one comes out smelling of roses on this deal... it has had Labour, LibDem and Tory hands on it to get it to this stage. If I recall correctly Corbyn and/or Labour had plenty to say about the matter when May postponed the ratification of the deal to see if anything could be done to amend the terms. But it seems that we are committed to it and sadly have to put up with the high costs. Luckily this high cost only applies to 7% of our energy production.
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| Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 16 Sep 16 10.51am |
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Originally posted by newickeagle
Mr Gristle's point is that had this atrocious deal happened under Labour the right wing press would have a field day, tanks bursting out the front pages. Still it's the Tories so all ok ! Nothing changes. But as HH stated, it started under Labour? There is more to this deal than just the power it provodes. However in terms of power it is important to secure long term sources at a time of instability. Windfarms and solar power can only provide so much and Tidal Energy is not the answer either. It may prove to be expensive energy or it might actually prove to be reasonable, we just don't know. I might have misheard but last night they were saying that at one point on Monday the cost of electricity was actually higher than the proposed cost of Hinkley. Lastly, this is a bit of a non argument as Corbyn won't get elected and secondly if by some hole in the matrix he did, he would cancel it, leaving us with a big bill and still no answer to the energy crisis.
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Mr_Gristle  In the land of Whelk Eaters 16 Sep 16 12.52pm |
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Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch
As has been said this was about more than just the provision of power We are talking hypotheticals, maybe they would maybe they wouldn't but may got a bit of a kicking when it looked like she might cancel it so I am not sure your view of the press is 100% accurate I may misremember, but I thought that May was winning press plaudits for her temporary hold on Hinkley? Still - regardless of political stripe I can't believe that even a neutral reporting of this decision isn't the biggest news in weeks.
Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune) |
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| Mr_Gristle In the land of Whelk Eaters 16 Sep 16 12.59pm |
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Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch
But as HH stated, it started under Labour? There is more to this deal than just the power it provodes. However in terms of power it is important to secure long term sources at a time of instability. Windfarms and solar power can only provide so much and Tidal Energy is not the answer either. It may prove to be expensive energy or it might actually prove to be reasonable, we just don't know. I might have misheard but last night they were saying that at one point on Monday the cost of electricity was actually higher than the proposed cost of Hinkley. Lastly, this is a bit of a non argument as Corbyn won't get elected and secondly if by some hole in the matrix he did, he would cancel it, leaving us with a big bill and still no answer to the energy crisis. A fair piece from the rabidly socialist CNBC: I don't disagree that Nuclear is part of the UK's energy future - far from it - but my anger isn't about the choice of power generation. Not only has every leader starting with Blair gleefully taken every opportunity to tax us and give loads of that tax income directly to corporates and contracted-in service providers, we're now giving it out to foreign state entities whilst putting us on the hook for decades of profiteering from them! We've never had it so good.
Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune) |
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| Hoof Hearted 16 Sep 16 2.57pm | |
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Originally posted by newickeagle
You may be right, they do seem to at least acknowledge now that politicians are low grade across the board and that maybe, just maybe, the Tories don't walk on water! No government has 'walked on water' from the day I was born in 1954. However, the older I get, the more cynical politicians become.
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| Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 16 Sep 16 3.18pm |
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Back to Corbyn [Tweet Link]
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| Hoof Hearted 16 Sep 16 3.26pm | |
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That graph is funny... but the three choices add up to 101%
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| OknotOK Cockfosters, London 16 Sep 16 3.51pm |
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Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
That graph is funny... but the three choices add up to 101% Worth noting the same polling also has Labour up 2 points. Still 7 points behind the Tories (31 vs 38 ) but although the Lib Dems seem to be doing well in council elections, it is not translating into taking any votes off Labour on a national poll stage. Still more than enough for a likely Tory majority though. Edited by OknotOK (16 Sep 2016 3.51pm)
"It's almost like a moral decision. Except not really cos noone is going to find out," Jez, Peep Show |
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| Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 19 Sep 16 3.19pm |
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slightly sinister connotations
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| Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 19 Sep 16 3.58pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Only in your mind. NUT conference and others always offers a creche facility for parent delegates who would be otherwise bne thwarted from going because of childcare. Possibly but don't you find it worrying that a political group, of any colour is doing this?
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